Keeping a journal - writing everyday
how many people keep a journal and write in it everyday?
How many write stories, essays, poetry, (i.e. - creative stuff) everyday?
I think Chuck had said once that he doesn't sit down to write unless he has an idea. 'Do you sit on the toilet if you don't have to go?"
Makes sense.
But if you don't do it (write that is) everyday, how do you expect to get any better at it.
I read this interview with (I think it was Stuart Dybek) who said something like - People don't realize that writing takes practice. Anything else - sports, engineering, teaching, etc. requires lots of studying and practice.
I think he was talking about how his students think they can just sit down and write a masterpiece whenever they feel up to it, rather than working for it day in and day out.
So, how much (how often) do you guys write?
[QUOTE=G Scott]how many people keep a journal and write in it everyday?
How many write stories, essays, poetry, (i.e. - creative stuff) everyday?
I think Chuck had said once that he doesn't sit down to write unless he has an idea. 'Do you sit on the toilet if you don't have to go?"
Makes sense.
But if you don't do it (write that is) everyday, how do you expect to get any better at it.
I read this interview with (I think it was Stuart Dybek) who said something like - People don't realize that writing takes practice. Anything else - sports, engineering, teaching, etc. requires lots of studying and practice.
I think he was talking about how his students think they can just sit down and write a masterpiece whenever they feel up to it, rather than working for it day in and day out.
So, how much (how often) do you guys write?[/QUOTE]
i did this for years.
at first i did it in actual little journals (from age 14 to about 16) then on computer.
the written journals i destroyed (ritualistic burned in the woods) during one of the many purges of 'things' in my life.
two years of journals on my computer got lost in a hard drive crash, one which i found out would've been easy to fix once i got into computers years later.
the last four years (up until age 21-22) i still have, password protected, on a program i lost and can't find, so i can't access them.
so, yeah... i've tried started a new one, but haven't been able to keep it going more than a day or two. it's good idea to have one, i wish i could stick too it.
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about a year ago I started writing a page or two every day of stream of consciousness, basically just sitting down (whether I had an idea or not) and writing whatever was on my mind at the time. It usually ends up turning into a reflection on whatever interesting things I had done lately and what i thought of them at the time, which often ends up being some pretty funny shit. Its hard b/c a lot of times if I'm not in the right mood I have to force it, but thats ok w/ me b/c it has really helped my flow when I'm writing, and I don't get stuck as much anymore. The more you force yourself to write, the easier it gets to do! It's been really funny looking back over old entries lately, and the more I write the more I've found its a great way to build up a reservoir of ideas to refine and develop for writing good stuff later. I would definitely recommend trying it - doesnt have to be good shit, just try and squeeze out a page or two per day of completely random stuff, if only b/c its fun to see what comes out.
I used to write in a journal every day about what happened and how I felt or I'd write random crap, you know. I think it may have fucked me a little though, because I was using it to vent everything and eventually I wouldn't talk to anyone about how I felt because I was so used to keeping it in a notebook. I like, lost my faith in people and could only find solice in paper and pen. I've stopped writing every day, and now it's easier to talk to people, or at least my therapist, about what I'm feeling.
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[QUOTE=sick girl]I used to write in a journal every day about what happened and how I felt or I'd write random crap, you know. I think it may have fucked me a little though, because I was using it to vent everything and eventually I wouldn't talk to anyone about how I felt because I was so used to keeping it in a notebook. I like, lost my faith in people and could only find solice in paper and pen. I've stopped writing every day, and now it's easier to talk to people, or at least my therapist, about what I'm feeling.[/QUOTE]
I nearly fell into that, but then not really. i've got a folder in my computer with about 200 text files of thoughts, ideas, poems, stories and god knows what else.
I used to do this, but my carpel tunnel syndrome became so painful, that handwriting was a aching chore. BUT, I was also a guitarist at the time. I have since retired from guitar, choosing writing, and to my surprise, my hands are actually getting better. I have recently started writing by hand again, so yes, I'm kinda keeping a journal.
When writing a story, I always have a notebook nearby to keep things in check. You know, dates, names, birthdays, etc. That way you don't have a character 23 years old in one chapter, and 27 years old later on. (Assuming that four years haven't passed in story time of course.)
[B]We were about to give up and call it a night when somebody dropped the girl off the bridge.[/B]--[I]Darker Than Amber[/I], John D. McDonald (Best opening sentence ever.)
I keep a writing blog, but it's mostly dead because I write only when something strikes me. Which is really poor form and discipline, but well. I do, however, have this book I write mostly setences that occur to me, or plot things and ideas, which I write in a couple of times a week, sometimes. Again, it comes and goes.
When I was younger I wrote in journals all the time. As I’ve gotten older, this has slipped, and I now write down ideas, paragraphs and such. Normally I find that writing in journals is for when I’m having problems with things, or am going through a tough spot in my life, basically when I need to take time and work things out. My journals are now almost completely on computer, as I can password protect them. Online journals are not real journals to me, as they are very censored and do not reveal a lot of personal details.
I think I’ve answered this before, but here it is again. I write every day. I can’t help it, it’s just what I do. Paragraphs, dialogue, ideas, whatever hits me, and it does almost every day. To me, writing is just something that I end up doing every day, so there is no need for me to schedule it. Sometimes I need to make myself focus on a story and complete it, so I’ll set a deadline such as ‘by the end of this week I will spend at least 3 hours on this story’.
Another thing I find that has helped me as a writer (instead of practice) is reading. When I was younger, my writing contained a lot of ‘she said’ and ‘he said’ and each page would be filled with twenty or so of them. By reading other books, I found other ways to write where these ‘said’s’ aren’t littering the page.
[QUOTE=vandamage]I used to do this, but my carpel tunnel syndrome became so painful, that handwriting was a aching chore. BUT, I was also a guitarist at the time. I have since retired from guitar, choosing writing, and to my surprise, my hands are actually getting better. I have recently started writing by hand again, so yes, I'm kinda keeping a journal.[/QUOTE]
Ow. Glad to hear they're getting better!
I had problems with my wrists as well due to computers (which has gotten much better), but I too have found that I can no longer hand write very much. :(
[COLOR=DarkOrange][FONT=Courier New]When I was a worm, I kept a journal for years. Not the typical journal though. I had this old type writer that had belonged to my father. Everyday I would type up a page or 2, then put the pages in this binder. I wrote everyday.
When I moved a couple of months ago I found the binders in my attic.
Wow was that a trip.
Now I keep an online journal, which I just recently started. I try and have a journal during the winter. I write shit like what happend that day, and whats goin on upstairs. It's cool because it's not private, so people can comment, but no one I know in "real life" knows about it.
I also keep this little black note pad in my back pocket. So if I get a good idea for a story, or song lyric, or any poetry that comes 2 mind.
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I read in the acknowledgments in Peter Straub's [I]lost boy lost girl[/I] where thanked Borum and Pease journals and Visconti (Sp?) pens.
These damn items are expensive, so...
Do you just use a plain old notebook and ball point, or does spending a little money on the tools make you want to use them more?
[B]We were about to give up and call it a night when somebody dropped the girl off the bridge.[/B]--[I]Darker Than Amber[/I], John D. McDonald (Best opening sentence ever.)
[QUOTE=vandamage]I read in the acknowledgments in Peter Straub's [I]lost boy lost girl[/I] where thanked Borum and Pease journals and Visconti (Sp?) pens.
These damn items are expensive, so...
Do you just use a plain old notebook and ball point, or does spending a little money on the tools make you want to use them more?[/QUOTE]
I find that using expensive notebooks with fancy covers make me use them less. It's like I can't fill them with rubbish, so I stick to using cheap notebooks.
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I write as often as I can, which, regretfully is not every day. I keep a moleskin notebook in my jacket pocket and I have a number of paper notebooks at home. Writing often is not only fun (more fun than TV!) but, as a previous poster said, you can only get better as a writer by practicing.
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Do you just use a plain old notebook and ball point, or does spending a little money on the tools make you want to use them more?[/QUOTE]
Both my books are Moleskine, a small one and a large one, and I use pencil to write. Simple, but it works.
I'm in the class of "not really a journal" even though I carry a notebook. One of those nice moleskin ones because it gets heavily beaten, as it goes everywhere with me. I'll learn random facts, or hear something funny, or find a website I don't want to forget, or anything that applies, and jot it down.
Every now and again, I have some kind of weird epiphany and throw down a sentence fragment that I know will lead to a bigger idea down the road.
When I'm in the middle of writing something, though, I will take it out three or four times a day and throw in notes to myself. Usually, since whatever I'm actively working on is all I can think about, I'm constantly leaving reminders for myself, and I'm working crap through my head while I'm at work or running errands. It really helped, too. I was able to add some cool stuff to the first draft of my novel, just by reading through the pages of notes.
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I've kept a journal that I write maybe three or four times a week since I was eleven.
Granted, if your a guy, if anyone finds out about this they are going to give you some werid look- they have this preconvived notion that all you write about is what barbie you want and who you are going to marry one day.
But, as Chuck says so amazingly in his more recent essay, "fuck 'em."
You'd be surprised how much you forget, and reading what I wrote from only a few years ago, I'm surprised about what I had forgotten.
I also keep a little idea notebook in my backpack I can take out real fast and jot down a great theme or idea.
The journal is a great way to orgazie your ideas. It's also the pure joy of writing. Sitting down and just pumping somthing out. Sure you might be the only one writing it, but it's yours.
And no, xangas do not count.
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I write when i want to, so it may take like 1 day that i get anything to paper or it might take 3 to 6 weeks who knows, i know that sucks so im going to start a diary real messy one, i had one but i lost it somewhere, now somebody knows all the shit about me( i hope its a girl and she has fallen in love, muaha haa)
I've never been good about keeping up a journal. And since my attempts have generally yielded dull results, I'm not sure it would help me. What seems to help more is the things I remember because they were remarkable. I do have a very good memory, often remembering incidents and conversations a decade back that the other person forgot completely. But it's not like a photographic or encyclopedic memory, it's more of a highlights reel. John Irving described writing as creative memory, and I think that's very true. Even if you're writing about something you've never experienced first hand, I think to get 'in character' for it, you have to be able to relate it to experiences you've had, or in some cases to things you've seen friends or family deal with that you have some insight to.
[QUOTE=JohnDoe] I find that using expensive notebooks with fancy covers make me use them less. It's like I can't fill them with rubbish, so I stick to using cheap notebooks.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly how I felt when I used to write in them! I'd have nice pens, nice paper and stare at it thinking "This has got to be good if I'm going to use this stuff." Haha, it's like those 'good' towels that people put out for guests, but no one uses them because they look too 'good' to use. What I used to do is always skip the first page, leaving it blank. Somehow this helped me get over the initial "I'm going to waste all this paper" ideas.
[QUOTE=Chixulub]I've never been good about keeping up a journal. And since my attempts have generally yielded dull results, I'm not sure it would help me. What seems to help more is the things I remember because they were remarkable. I do have a very good memory, often remembering incidents and conversations a decade back that the other person forgot completely. But it's not like a photographic or encyclopedic memory, it's more of a highlights reel. John Irving described writing as creative memory, and I think that's very true. Even if you're writing about something you've never experienced first hand, I think to get 'in character' for it, you have to be able to relate it to experiences you've had, or in some cases to things you've seen friends or family deal with that you have some insight to.[/QUOTE]
When reading old journals a few years ago, I noticed that almost all were of me when I was extremely angry or happy. There was no in between, as those times were the only times I normally wrote directly about my life and my feelings about it. When I couldn't yell at people about things, I'd yell on paper (thus causing much of it be destroyed by the sheer act of writing it so violently). As I got older, I put in things that I was hoping to accomplish, such as lists of things to do this month, and the next month I'd give quick updates. My closest friends I would put a paragraph about every once in awhile, or point form of funny/interesting events that happens. This helps to serve as reminders for things, in case I begin to forget as I get older. I know I'm writing them for myself, so I write what helps me to remember things.
Even writing down how other friends have handled things (either well or not), things I've noticed going on around me, has helped me remember a few details for things that I've decided to use in stories. It's amazing how much you can actually forget about an event once a few years pass. Also, the things you notice can also help you with the age of a character. My writing from a child is much different now, and to be honest, I would be hard pressed to write like I did back then. By reading past writing, I can begin to remember what it was like to be a child writing it.
I too have a pretty good memory when it comes to certain events in my life. I remember them pretty clear, and can normally play things back in my head. This might begin to fade away as I get older, so I get what I think I might need down now while I still can.
Good points. I tend to be indiscriminate in my journal entries, meaning that I have to wade though a lot of shit to get to the gold that I remember anyway.
On the flipside, I'm writing a 'historical' novel that's based on 1998 and 1999, so a journal from those years would probaly help me with some details that are hard to look up.
even when I'm not 'writing,' I'm writing, though. I'm either rethinking stuff in my current manuscript or jotting down an idea or refining it. I don't call it a journal, because it takes up dozens of notebooks and scraps of paper, but it adds up to a defacto journal. Stuff I'm afraid I'll forget. It'st he mundane that probalby slips through most easily....
Dude. Some of the best parts of several of my stories were originally written on tp, I swear to God. In one of my stories, there is a whole sequence about Washington rain that was originally written on toilet paper that I kept ripping with my pen cause I was a little tipsy and couldnt be bothered to stand to piss and it was on my bare leg and the hairs on my leg kept buldging up the tissue but I kept writing anyway and I finally folded it up and put it in my back pocket and pulled it out the next day and deciphered it and typed it up. Almost two pages came out of it, that bathroom visit. And none of you wanted to know anything about that. But. I'll write on anything. Got a journal for christmas. But it is hard back and big and pretty and I cant take that places. My several soft cover slim ones are so much more alive in my hands. Those big leather bound expensive ones are great to look at but they hold like rocks and fumble when you are trying to adjust it in your lap under a tree or waiting for a bus or huddled in at the corner in the electronics section awaiting pictures to develop.
Definitely agree with yaw there
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I dont believe in the journal thing. You are a writer, not a stenographer.
You are a creator of ideas and perspectives, not a reporter. If something is important, you will remember it. If something strikes you, as odd or interesting, you will remember it. If you dont, was it really good idea from the get go?
If you are writing, have it mean something, have it working to your own goal. Just writing down your own self-centred meanderings isnt worth anything to you, or anyone else. Its a selfish past time. The kids with their journals always pissed me off at school, or with their blogs or "xangas" (fancy name for blogs). Read them. They are mainly written by self-serving people who like to bitch about their lives, or brag about their lives, or simply right there own self centred bull.
No, Im not bitter.
The thing is, the more and more that they write for themselves, the more and more the writing seems to fall apart. They dont care about grammar or punctuation, they dont care about slang or their own little language they develop, because to them, it doesnt matter. They delve into their own little world, isolating themselves, and isolating their words from any relation to the rest of us. im sure many of your journals are not like this, but I have seen many that are.
How to become a better writer? Observe what is around you. Watch what goes on. Pay atttention. What is important, what strikes you as odd or different, that is what you will remember. Dont wirte everything down. Read. Always read. You find that you become much more intune with what is good writing, and what is bad writing. Does the dialogue sound real, or does it sound false? Reading you teaches you what is good and bad writing.
But writing is helpful. I do believe in writing alot. People who dont write cant write, you guys are correct on that one. But writing fiction, or writing journals, pounding it out every day? Everything in moderation. Do you really need to write every little thing down? Writing once a day is fine, but bringing your journal everywhere, writing every little thing down, bringing it to parties? Come on. You are there to party, you are there to socialize and experience people. If you are too busy writing everything down, are you really experincing life.
But hold on. I am still in highschool, I am still forced to write essays and papers, and opinion pieces. Maybe I am just tired of writing all the time, and hearing about people and their damned blogs and their damned "journals" where they cry an never ending river of tears into their pillows. Writing is important. I guess I just do so much of it, I dotn feel a "journal" or whiny "blog" is nessaccary.
So yes, to write is important, especially to write often and always if you are new to the game. Thats the only way to truly get into the "groove" of writing. But after awhile, you want to read and do other things. You have school to conccentrate on. Should I bitch to myself in my journal, or should I write that essay? Obviously the school work. I guess it is just different to me. I write enough. I write fiction when I am inspired, or when i have something to say, not because I have to type out a certain of number of words a day. Yes, I write down notes, or ideas for stories. I have about 20 right now. but I also think its important to let stories roll around in your mind for awhile. Let them develop and change.
I also seem to get a feeling of an almost, snobby attitude from some people. "I wtire in my journal everyday" OR "I write everyday, and youll never be a good writer if you dont" OR "You will never becoem published unless you write everyday". Well fuck that. I dont want to and I dont need to write everyday. That doesnt make me any less of a writer than many other people. Who cares how often you write? What matters isnt the end product, it isnt how much time you put in it, how many pages you spilled out, its whether or not what you write means something to you. Are you writing something important, are you writing something that means something to you, or are you jsut trying to fill your 1k words a day? Are you writing to tell a story, to tell of an experience for others to relate to, or are you just being a selfcentred whiner who mopes around about their own life, and crys all over the pages? Writing needs to mean something. Writing needs to have part of you in it, but also have parts of others. It cant be isolate dor self serving. Its commucication and storytelling. Its freeedom. So dont waste it shacklingf yoursleve sto daily minimums, or a journal tied to your belt. LEt the ideas come and go, remember the good ones. And write them down..
LATER.
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I have a few notepads I carry with me... I also, use my computer a lot and write usually at night...
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personally i believe that some sort of goal that you can adhere to. for me it is fifteen thousand words a week. some people make it a daily thing or set a timeline in which they like to work. it is up to you really just don't take huge breaks particularly in the middle of a work. momentum is a goal and if something is horrible you can always edit it out the second time around the bend. remember the words of hemmingway when he said the first draft is always shit. if you take too long you might decide to give it up. a writer who does not write consistently has about as much value as chaste hooker.





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