Marla?

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So I just got finished reading the book, thinking that I'd understood the jist of things. (Excellent book, by the way.) Then my friend asked what I thought of Marla's role; he claimed without hesitation that she is another one of Joe/Tyler's multiple personalities. Is he missing something or am I?



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that's a theory that a lot of people go by.

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why so? your arguments



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nah, i think she's real. i see her as a combination of the Narrator and Tyler's personalities, only you know, with a vagina.

whateva.

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good question

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ZooKeeper [/i]
[B]why so? your arguments [/B][/QUOTE]

Well I personally don't believe this theory; I even read over Marla's key moments to see if there were any hints. I guess someone might think this because she happened to go to the groups and "fake it" also, and her interaction with other people seems pretty limited, perhaps hinting that she is just a figment of his imagination. But if anyone believes the theory that Marla's not real, please give me some good evidence for discussion! Because I still don't believe it.



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may be that whole thing about her picking up phones with no one on the other end.

just a guess...

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you could see both ways... I mean, you can also say that the whole Project Mayhem thing is fake, that he makes up everything you read... but the beauty of it, is that it also could be real in the same time

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ZTH [/i]
[B]you could see both ways... I mean, you can also say that the whole Project Mayhem thing is fake, that he makes up everything you read... but the beauty of it, is that it also could be real in the same time [/B][/QUOTE]

That's a bit of an exageration, he obviously didn't imagine Project Mayhem or Fight Club. It is open to interpretation whether Marla is real or not.

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she is real.she is the proof of tyler's existenz...think about it..

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maybe he created her, to proof himself he is tyler...

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ZTH [/i]
[B]you could see both ways... I mean, you can also say that the whole Project Mayhem thing is fake, that he makes up everything you read... but the beauty of it, is that it also could be real in the same time [/B][/QUOTE]
I also don't think Fight Club doesn't excist, but it [I]could[/I] be

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My two cents: I think Marla is definitely real. I think creating one alter- ego is enough to deal with, let alone adding a crazy woman into the mix. Just my opinion.

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i think she is real but yet again "jack" could have made her up because shes what kind of women he wanted slutty/whore/wierd/etc just like he created tyler that was careless/hansome/blah blah blah



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Marla being fake is a wrench in the whole dynamic of jack/tyler. Jack is the weak part of.. well, jack. Tyler is at the strong end . so if marlas fake, where does that put her? maybe jack is a blend of marla and tyler and hes in the middle and marla is the weak part of.. somone. or maybe jack's like marla's tyler durden, like the strong part of 'her'. Or maybe tyler had a sex change and Marla's the way tyler would be if he were still a women. or maybe.. *groan* Oh god! *passes out*.



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BTW she was not a whore, whores get paid.



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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Schism [/i]
[B]BTW she was not a whore, whores get paid. [/B][/QUOTE]

HAH!!

i was kinda thinking marla wouldnt be the kind of girl that jack would "date/fuck/mess around with/ just like tyler isnt the kind of person jack is.jack only wishes he would be like tyler and maybe just maybe wishes he would fuck the kind of girl marla is . this is a little confusins but im starting to think that marla is fake as well. but i dunno somebody correct me please



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Maybe marla represents all the stuff that jack repressed in himself, his femimine side.



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If Marla is not real that basically leaves the door open for EVERY key event in the movie to be totally imagined. The beauty of Tyler is that he didn't exist, yet when the narrator thought he did, he started to actually change his environment, his life, and, ultimately, the world.

If Marla is not real, that means the narrator imagined following her into a thrift store, otherwise the clerk would have stood there and watched the narrator have a conversation with himself. Tyler would have gone to an apartment the doesn't actually belong to anyone to save an imaginary woman from dying from an imaginary overdose that, incidentally, imaginary EMTs would have been trying to prevent.

The whole point of Tyler being imaginary was that the narrator created him to free himself. Once he was created, actual change occurred. If anything else besides Tyler existed only in the narrator's head, that takes away the merit of his fractured mind and basically just stick him in the catagory of "complete fucking nutter"

Course...I could just be full of shit.

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Tyler and Marla are both real. The Narrator, however, is a figment of Chuck's imagination.



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To further this, the narrator says:

"This isn't about love as in caring. This is about property as in ownership.

Without Marla, Tyler would have nothing."

It's extremly difficult to own somthing that doesn't exist, which is the same reason no own really owns property, because government it imaginiary, therefor law is imaginary as well as the boundries of property

Not to get to deeply engrossed in philisophy, but Marla drives Tyler because she is real.



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nicely put!



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shes real cuz other ppl see her like the space monkeys and the girl that she sells her jeans to...but its a good guestion to think about ....

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Aidenus, well said
Marla is real.



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I can understand thinking Marla isn't real, I thought that too after watching the movie. Once I read the book, it seemed pretty obvious though, that she is real. Like, the parts about her mother and everything.

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If this was true, man, the Narrator (I refuse to call him Jack) was really screwed up. Dreamed up an imaginary woman to screw.

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I think she's real. Once you start making up theories about Narrator's wrecked brains, you might as well start saying that Bob and Angel Face aren't real. Who else? The mechanic? Raymond? What would Walter represent, I wonder? Nah, Marla's real to me, as is the rest.

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The mechanic was weird, what was he all about?

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I think marla is real, although, selling jeans to the women is no proof. To jack tyler was registered by other people as being there. I think that only Tyler was imagined by Jack(or vice versa). There is the possibility that he does imagine other people but i think that tyler is the person that he refers all of his desires, and how he expresses his self-hate. as to the idea of angel face bing real, LOL :p. What i found odd was how tyler had the time to set up all these other fight clubs without jack noticing or barely waking as it would take alot of time to get to these places, etc.
What do u reckon?



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Just had a brain wave, in the book, tyler disapears when marla's there, could could be that they are both figments of his imagination, as with everyone else he stays there, but with two personalities on the go, would he have the time for a third?
i think we should ask mr chuck palahniuk:p



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Re: Marla?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by IamYourFailure [/i]
[B]So I just got finished reading the book, thinking that I'd understood the jist of things. (Excellent book, by the way.) Then my friend asked what I thought of Marla's role; he claimed without hesitation that she is another one of Joe/Tyler's multiple personalities. Is he missing something or am I? [/B][/QUOTE]
I think that Marla was the reason for occuring of Tyler Derden in life of Jack. She shown him the life he wanted in real, she pushed Tyler from undermind of Jack. Simply a girl, love and so on.



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Okay, it's been a few years since this topic has been discussed hah but my friend and I are about to stop being friends over this very same argument.  I think Marla is a figment of his imagination.  While many of you argue that Norton (I saw the movie first, so I refer to the narrator as Norton) doesn't have time for two different personalities, this is not how I view Marla.  Marla is an imaginary friend in the truest sense, unlike Tyler, who is a second personality.  Also, you'll notice that Marla questions everything about Fight Club and about Project Mayhem.  She is always interrogating Norton and is never comfortable with what is going on.  This is Norton's doubt in what Tyler is doing, seeded deep in his brain and manifesting itself in Marla.

Also, the truth about Tyler is essentially laid out on the line plain to see.  Wouldn't you expect Palahniuk to throw in something big like that without telling us?  It seems useless to write a novel with such suspense and unseen twists and just to throw everything out there in plain text.



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Re: Marla?

I believe that Marla is a real person, I think that everyone is thinking way to into this. Palahniuk I think had this great thought down, he had this amazing ending and he just started writing knowing how it was going to end, knowing that his main character was going to have an alter ego, adding in a woman in the mix that got in the way of everything was only his way of building the plot to explode at the end with an amazing twist. 

All in all Marla is deff a real person, I think Palahniuk didn't think about this, he only had one thing in mind and that was the ending that he knew was going to jump start his career!

 



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shes real cuz other ppl see her like the space monkeys and the girl that she sells her jeans to...but its a good guestion to think about ....

exactly she does interact with other people, so she is real. its not like people could confuse joe with a woman



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you could see both ways... I mean, you can also say that the whole Project Mayhem thing is fake, that he makes up everything you read... but the beauty of it, is that it also could be real in the same time

Yeah I agree. Everything seems just as real as it could be fake. I don't know if there is a leaning proof on either side.

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