Time Travel (Probable Spoilers)
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I've always wondered myself whether or not time-travel is possible. Einstein once said that time travel was possible and he's kind of, sort of a genius.
What some scientist whip out, concerning the idea of time travel, is that whole Grand-Father Paradox, the one about killing your grand-father and eliminating your existence in the present and in essence stopping you from killing him, yeah it goes in circles. I think Chuck brought it up in Rant; I think Green said it.
-- So I guess the question is do you guys believe in time-travel, the actualy physical transportation into another time line.
It's only after reading Rant, with the whole liminal time thing, that the idea of time-travel has stuck to me like a tattoo.
Majority of the people I've asked have said, "Hell no." Some have said that it depends on how you view time, as a straight line, as a loop or with holes in it, that time-travel is plausible.
They said we couldn't fly, but we flew. Time is such an abstract concept though.
Yeah that's the thing, (if) time was (is) abstract then it can't be manipulated. Then there's that whole 'finding a rip in time' to fit through ordeal.
Another thing is if it was possible, wouldnt you think they'd be visiting us? If they were, it would explain aliens 
The old "aliens are paople from the future" theory. UFOs are futuristic school buses, thier inhabiters being futuristic children on a feild trip. They go back in time to study, to learn. The only rule is no interaction, as it can have serious consequenses on the future. One of my faves!!!
Someone once told me that time doesn't exist. Could have been Kurt Vonnegut for all I know.
It's a funny question because pretty much all sci-fi assumes it's possible and we just don't know how. You just have to invent the right machine or whatever.
But I think the question you're asking is is time travel at all possible?
I don't even know what to compare it to because time isn't like distance. But, I think you could use distance in that distance and time are interlinked. Example: you fly to Berlin. Two weeks you go home. You didn't UNtravel that distance. You traveled it twice in different directions. It isn't possible to UNtravel a distance. Even something simple like taking one step forward and then one back isn't the same as never having taken that step. It's taking two steps in different directions.
I guess that relates to time in that we're always traveling forward in time, so I don't think it's possible to UNtravel time anymore than it is to UNtravel distance.
The title of this thread itself might be considered a spoiler. But anyways, I don't think time travel is possible. Einstein's idea to me always seemed not so much time travel as it was just removing yourself from everyone else for a length of time then coming back. It could be seen as time travel as you'd come back "in the future" but there's no way you could go back in time.
I think time's a man-made idea anyways, so it's automatically flawed. It's just a system of measurement, like temperature.
Tomstrong83, I think you hit it right on the nose with that whole, "time is not a distance" thing. You make a good point because in order to 'travel' anything, in essence there has to be a distance to be traveled.
And Nathaniel Parker You made a point with "Time only being a mesurement" and being unable to 'go back' on that measurement.
I think i can officially say you guys convinced me of time travel being impossible - not being a distance and only, really, a man-made mesurement - So this means all life is pre-determined? Fate and all that 'romantic' crap is true? The future is predictible? (not in a psychic sense of the word)
We're all doomed! 
bah! my thread solves all answers of traveling. My son.
I think everyone, whether you belive in time-travel or not, should do some heavy psychedelics. DMT or Salvia. You may not find out whether time trave is real or not, but you will learn alot about yourlife being predetermined, and a predictable future. Maybe some stuff you don't want to know about the true nature of life.
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;978707]I think everyone, whether you belive in time-travel or not, should do some heavy psychedelics. DMT or Salvia. You may not find out whether time trave is real or not, but you will learn alot about yourlife being predetermined, and a predictable future. Maybe some stuff you don't want to know about the true nature of life.[/QUOTE]
Haha, Salvia will indeed teach you many things about many things that you didn't even know existed.
But as for time-travel: Time really doesn't exist. It only appears to exist to us humans (and really anything with a knowing conscience) because it's how we were built to experience things around us.
Outside of the conscience, though, time is both infinite and it doesn't exist. So, perhaps far, far into the future, we may learn how to break away from the essentially ego-fueled concept of time, but we simply weren't built to, so we also may never.
In the end, it's all about perception of reality. Time IS just a system of measurement, and not even a consistent one at that. We've all had experiences where a minute seems to last forever, right? Time is relative. It's all in your head. In the end, everything is just about your perception of reality.
Listen to what these guys have just said, they're pretty fucking smart.
I understand what you're saying about time being a measurement, and invented by man, but we all age, don't we? Scientifically, gravity pulls at our skin. Once we stop growing, gravity still pulls at our cartiledge in our spine and we get shorter again. These are all effects of prolonged exposure to gravity.
Sure, man gave it a name. But it's still there (theoretically). If it's a measurement, so is an inch, or a meter. If time is a measurement of the space between then and now, it's as real as the measurement of physical space between here and there.
[QUOTE=tomstrong83;978053]It's a funny question because pretty much all sci-fi assumes it's possible and we just don't know how. You just have to invent the right machine or whatever.
But I think the question you're asking is is time travel at all possible?
I don't even know what to compare it to because time isn't like distance. But, I think you could use distance in that distance and time are interlinked. Example: you fly to Berlin. Two weeks you go home. You didn't UNtravel that distance. You traveled it twice in different directions. It isn't possible to UNtravel a distance. Even something simple like taking one step forward and then one back isn't the same as never having taken that step. It's taking two steps in different directions.
I guess that relates to time in that we're always traveling forward in time, so I don't think it's possible to UNtravel time anymore than it is to UNtravel distance.[/QUOTE]
you just blowed my mind
I may just be ball parking the concept but, do you believe time does exsist just mentally? I mean, you have memories right and certain things can make you remember memories like they were yesterday, you remember what happened word for word at times. Kind of like a spiritual concept rather than a physical? Who knows, maybe i'm just talking out of my ass kind of like when you laugh when someone tells a joke just to feel smarter? ha...
[QUOTE=Index;1002932]I may just be ball parking the concept but, do you believe time does exsist just mentally? I mean, you have memories right and certain things can make you remember memories like they were yesterday, you remember what happened word for word at times. Kind of like a spiritual concept rather than a physical? Who knows, maybe i'm just talking out of my ass kind of like when you laugh when someone tells a joke just to feel smarter? ha...[/QUOTE]
My ex girlfriend, the first night I ever met the family, I was over for dinner. Prior to our meeting, his profession required him to drive a lot. He was telling me about a concept where every time he would hear certain songs while driving, it would mentally bring him back to certain events in his life. He told me it would go as far as even being able to smell the same smells as were at the event. For example, he's driving across the Nevada desert, and a song that played at his daughters 10th birthday comes on - he can taste and smell the cake he was eating when the song came on, plus see everything that was going on.
This is during monotonous long drives across the desert in a straight line. Nothing to really look at, and no other cars to worry about.
Does anyone think that Rant, Bodie, Irene, and Chet travel in time when they paint Easter eggs in the kitchen? If so, where do they go? What do they do for 100 years? If not, why does Bodie say all of that stuff about time getting stuck? p. 40-1
Yeah Bodie said that a couple of times about time getting stuck being with Rant.
First with the eggs, then with the "fishin'" situation, and other times im not remembering right now
What would be the point of going back in time anyway? Yay. I get more time to waste.
I LOVE FUCKING TREES
and I was pretty sure you were going to be stumped.
Interesting topic. Lots on the subject. Think Einstein said time is relative, and Hawking supposed there was an arrow of time, whereby time travelled in one constant direction, at its simplest level, the constant movement of energies, from light constantly streaming, to electrons spinning, to molecules interacting, etc. Then we've got the thermodynamic laws of conservation of energy to observe. If we create a divergent time stream, then we have (at least) 2 continiuum's of energy (total sum of energy in universes), that have been created from 1. Doesn't seem right.
So i'm skeptical about travelling into the past, but that doesn't mean you cant mess with local time. If it is relative, then it could be possible to exclude something from normal time direction, then reappear later, having not aged, say 10 years later, after outside of event horizon has moved on 'normally'. Reckon that might be possible.
The discussion of time-travel fits right in there with religion and polotics. Have fun with this one.