Rant: Hilariously Bad Trash.
Hello kiddiewinkles. I am about 50 or 60 pages from the end of the hilariously bad Rant, and just thought I'd weigh in here with a few of my own Palahniuk-fan-annoying thoughts on its thoughlessness.
Now. I confess, I have never before in my life read a book on purpose that I knew I (probably) wasn't going to enjoy. But after reading the shitty, worthless Haunted...I was sorta drawn almost against my will to this book when it came out and snagged a copy from the library. I knew it was gonnae be shite, cos Palahniuk is long past his peak, and is just churning out hackwork shite every year now like clockwork, but little did I know how ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HILARIOUS it would turn out to be. And not purposefully funny either which, of course, makes it ways, WAY funnier.
I mean...old ladies getting bitten by black widow spiders and eaten by packs of wild dogs? A main character who is addicted to animal venom(!) and who gets priapic erections through spider bites? Rabies transmission through a whole town by oral-genital intercourse or kissing? I could go on and on about how EVERY SINGLE aspect of this book is COMPLETE AND UTTER HILARIOUS BULLSHIT...but why bother? I suspect, to a degree, that wee Poloneck KNOWS that this is garbage...but I think he STILL thinks some of it has some actual honestagod MERIT (maybe listening to you fawning sycophants too much)...which makes the loon even crazier that I thought before.
And this book is a patchwork of plagiarism in a way that I have not encountered in a Palahniuk book (read 'em all except Diary and that travelogue one - used to be a fan until Haunted) and the author should be paying out royalties left, right and center to:
JG Ballard for ripping off the novel Crash (people crashing into each other fun fun/death).
David Cronenberg for ripping off the 1976 movie Rabid (in which a plague of rabies takes over a city - wonder why a gay writer would write a novel about a pandemic, eh?I KNEW AIDS would turn up in there somewhere!).
The director of the 1995 Ralph Fiennes movie Strange Days with its riff about boosting, virtual reality, etc.
Patrick Suskind for ripping off the novel Perfume with a LUDICROUS protagonist (LOVED the line on page 75: "A sexually conflicted thirteen-year-old rattlesnake-venom junkie with rabies - well, it's safe to say that's every father's worst nightmare.") with an over-developed sense of smell.
There was one other Cronenberg thing I was gonnae mention but I can't remember it right now. Now. As I said, pasticheur Palahniuk does some of this with a nod and a wink, but I suspect he STILL believes that this UTTERLY LUDICROUS stuff is actually (choke) good writing. But I mean, shit,...constructing a character (Neddy Nelson) just to spew conspiracy theories and pseudoscientific theories...what's with THAT? I mean, it totally fits with the writer's obsession with clinical facts a la William S Burroughs (as does his OBSESSION with 13-year-old boys and their cocks, as Haunted demonstrated in such weird disturbing fashion...but devoting an ENTIRE CREEPY CHAPTER to it? Fuck off and join NAMBLA, Chuck!)...but it's just TOTALLY lazy writing and just allows him to regurgitate page after page of facts gleaned from the net to save him actually having to use his IMAGINATION and write something INTERESTING. Total pish.
Another thing. The 'different voices' speaking in this book are nothing of the sort - ALL the characters in this book, give or take a phrase or two, speak with EXACTLY the same voice, just like the writers wrote the same in Haunted, which would, of course, be IMPOSSIBLE, especially as they are from different intelligence levels and walks of life. Terrible, lazy writing he just slings out every year because he knows it will sell regardless...and you fawning sycophantic psycho fan tic fans will lap it up unquestioningly. What UTTER SHIT.
Learn some humanity, Chuck, or learn to fucking write PERIOD - take a few years off, come back with something you have actually taken some TIME over and THEN you might write something worth reading and not laughing at. I realize you have a teenybop reading audience who idolize you, don't read anybody else's work and think you're a genius...but are you really such a TOTAL HACK (I personally know the answer to that one) that you wouldn't consider actually taking a bit of time and effort and energy and actually producing something GREAT like Survivor again? You seem to think you're a capital-w Writer, and hold seminars here on the subject...and yet you write such yellow journalism SHITE that you should be ASHAMED to publish it.
Just my opinion though. And you have a millon sycophants to counter it.
Fire away, Cultists...cos you know I take your opinions VERY seriously...or am I the liar behind the liar behind the liar...
(Chuckle)

"Maybe we can sell it as a snuff movie" - Meet The Feebles.
G.
Happy peanuts soar
over chocolate covered mountaintops
and waterfalls of caramel.
Prancing nougat in a meadow
sings a song of satisfaction to the world.
is a spoiler. Think any Chuck worshiper is going to care about a thread entitled what this one is entitled anyway? I doubt it'll be read much.
And as for that fanny Kuhlmann...GREAT POEM YA CUNT!
G.
You are such a moron. Why do you even come here? I don't come into your job and knock the dick out of your mouth.
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[QUOTE=wickerkat;996778]You are such a moron. Why do you even come here? I don't come into your job and knock the dick out of your mouth.[/QUOTE]
This one made me laugh too loud...
[QUOTE]is a spoiler. Think any Chuck worshiper is going to care about a thread entitled what this one is entitled anyway? I doubt it'll be read much.[/QUOTE]
I'm a "Chuck-Worshiper" and I read it. Still -- what about all the other Chuck-haters that agree with you about this book and every other book. You dont want to ruin their lowered expectations now, do ya'?
Or is this your master plan?
[QUOTE=JKuhlmann;996775]Happy peanuts soar
over chocolate covered mountaintops
and waterfalls of caramel.
Prancing nougat in a meadow
sings a song of satisfaction to the world.[/QUOTE]
You've got the lyrics, now all I want is the guitar tabs!!!... Yeah, this song rules!
I'm only upset at this guy because he's intruding upon my territory. I quite liked keeping the word cunt to myself, but this guy's muscled in and has started using it. Instigator, can you stop using the word cunt please? Thank you kind sir.
As for your post. I see where you're coming from. Personally, I think Chuck writes, as his editor dared him to do another of, dark little comedies. The greatest parts of Chuck's books are whatever the reader wants to take away, whether it's the lasting description of condoms in a toilet as dead jellyfish, (Fight Club) or it's the philosophical message of an artist's work being present to all who are there after they've gone on, (Diary). I can understand why you'd dislike this novel, there's a whole load of reasons to dislike it. Chuck is popular with the kids now, which makes his fashionable. For rebels on the edge of society like yourself, this makes him inherently a bad author. I understand that. Not to mention that yes, a lot of plot points have come up before in other works of fiction. If what you're looking for in a novel is bleeding edge originality, I'd sincerely advise you to visit the classics section on your next visit to Barnes and Nobel.
Are you a writer yourself, or just another disgruntled reader?
[QUOTE=furleyguy;996789]G D/F# Em D G D/F# C
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:arms:
I'm going to annoy eeveryone i know with this one....
And oh, Instigator, half of the shit you've brought to light ain't original itslef, look around this forum -- specifically the Plagerist Palahniuk one -- yeah, thats all been said before. Way to go.
[QUOTE]For rebels on the edge of society like yourself, this makes him inherently a bad author[/QUOTE]
This was funny...
I'm a rebel [I]outside[/I] of society, does this make him a 'so-so' author?
if he knew he was going to hate it, he really should have waited for the paperback...
[QUOTE=wickerkat;996778]You are such a moron. Why do you even come here? I don't come into your job and knock the dick out of your mouth.[/QUOTE]
I loved this comment aswell especially since it was so out of character- Good one Richard.
We've been SUGGsed again.
With LOTS of CAPITALIZED WORDS instead of the annoying "quotes" that indicate "dissatisfaction".
The only thing you're good at instigating is witty ripostes from fellow culties. Why don't you go join a Dan Brown forum?
The monkey is wright.
theres a dan brown forum.... :eek:
[QUOTE=chubbz;997120]theres a dan brown forum.... :eek:[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. Digital Fortress was one of the best books I ever read. Let the bashing begin.
I liked da vinci code.... :27:
[QUOTE=chubbz;997123]I liked da vinci code.... :27:[/QUOTE]Who (who read it) didn't? Fucking brilliant! Angels & Demons was better.
I think instigaytor has a hilariously bad rash.
[QUOTE=monkeywright;997107]We've been SUGGsed again.
With LOTS of CAPITALIZED WORDS instead of the annoying "quotes" that indicate "dissatisfaction".
The only thing you're good at instigating is witty ripostes from fellow culties. Why don't you go join a Dan Brown forum?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's fair to call every detractor of Chuck that comes here Suglia without proof.
As for the Dan Brown comments, like him or hate him, he's not a good writer, but I did read The Da Vinci Code and it was alright to read. Does it deserve to sell eight million copies in this day and age? No.
What's Suglia, why is they/it important and should I fear them/it?
And also, why's Dan Brown not a good writer?... I thought he was readable, although I've only read The Da Vinci Code.
[QUOTE=corellion;997128]I don't think it's fair to call every detractor of Chuck that comes here Suglia without proof.
As for the Dan Brown comments, like him or hate him, he's not a good writer[/QUOTE]No? For real? I thought he had a way of writing that appealed very much to me. It was his subject content that sold all of the copies, but I don't think having a writing style like some of the authors we discuss here would have allowed that. I think he is great at what he does. The DaVinci code was not his best work. Give A&D or Dig Fort a try.
[QUOTE=Instigator;996765]HelloG.[/QUOTE]
Like a 1000 flushes toilet bowl cleaner.
[QUOTE=JKuhlmann;996775]Happy peanuts soar
over chocolate covered mountaintops
and waterfalls of caramel.
Prancing nougat in a meadow
sings a song of satisfaction to the world.[/QUOTE]
This is good in contrast to your avatar. I picture a boxer prancing around a meadow bathing under caramel waterfalls wondering why he can never get his ears clean. Bread today.
[QUOTE=chubbz;997129]And also, why's Dan Brown not a good writer?... I thought he was readable, although I've only read The Da Vinci Code.[/QUOTE]
Courtesy of [URL=http://www.welcometothevelvet.com]The Velvet[/URL]
There are plenty more points I could say. But I can't be arsed, and Craig manages to pull it off all with a certain whip of comedy. Craig's a great example of, if I dare play him down, a good writer. So check out some of his stuff. Now, enjoy.
[U][B]Da Vinci Roulette, by Craig Clevenger[/B][/U]
Below is one of the early book reviews I wrote for the Santa Barbara Independent. I've had a few people ask me about it and, as it's not on the Independent's web site, I've reposted it below for the curious, and likely to my own detriment. Originally titled Da Vinci Roulette, it appeared in print on April 22, 2004.
I've been cornered one time too many by someone earnestly trying to convince me that Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code is a great novel, when it's not. It's a fun read, I suppose; a reasonably interesting premise for a thriller with plenty of interesting factoids (though most of them seemed forcibly shoe-horned into the book) and an overall solid structure. It's the stuff that Hollywood blockbusters are made from, and Code will likely join their ranks in a few short years.
But it's not a great novel for one reason, and one reason only: Dan Brown can't write. There, I said it, the emperor has no clothes, there is no Santa Claus and Cousin Marty isn't resting, he's in a mental asylum. Living in a large, glass house, I'm loathe to trash another writer and I told my editors as much, but I've had too many quiet nights with a pint ruined by some moron derailing my silence with, So, have you read The Da Vinci Code? It's awesome…
Yes, I've tried… I'm about three quarters of the way through it. It's slow going, what with the blood leaking from my eyeballs every few pages, or having to re-read a paragraph or a line of dialogue two or three times to ask myself, did he actually write that? People think this is good? Below are five passages I've quoted, minus the character names; two from the Code and three are not. See if you can tell which were written by Dan Brown, and which weren't (answers below):
[QUOTE]1) They walked past the huge multicolored and vaguely anthropomorphic metal sculpture that stood guard outside the station area. The sculpture always reminded [her] of how she felt after a heavy weekend: split into pieces, one eye by her toes, the other perched on her ear.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]2) She was moving down the corridor toward them with a long, fluid strides… a haunting certainty to her gait. Dressed casually in a knee-length, cream-colored Irish sweater over black leggings, she was attractive and looked to be about thirty. Her thick burgundy hair fell unstyled to her shoulders, framing the warmth of her face. Unlike the waifish, cookie-cutter blondes that adorned Harvard dorm walls, this woman was healthy with an unembellished beauty and genuineness that radiated a striking personal confidence.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]3) He relished the unaccustomed silence of the country and the privacy which the garden afforded. It was large, partly walled, and the remainder enclosed by a tangled hedge bordering fields that undulated from down to the village somewhere below. Wild and overgrown though it was, the garden had transmuted neglect into beauty: clematis and honeysuckle toppling over the crumbling brick walls and a confusion of rampant ivy threatening to smother the orchard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]4) Two minutes later she was creeping out of the open front door and heading for the path toward the stables. To the left of the gazebo, a heavy iron gate guarded the entrance to the grotto. She'd never been there- it had always been too overgrown- but she'd heard the gardeners clipping it back on her first morning… A quick examination confirmed that the padlock was missing. [She] brushed the orange flakes of rust from her fingers and gave the gate a shove. It swung open with an eerie creak.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]5) Perfect. Now all that remained was to close and lock the door. Leaving the box on the ground for a moment, he grabbed the metal door and began to heave it closed. As the door swung past him, [he] reached up to grab the single bolt that needed to be slid into place. The door closed with a thud, and [he] quickly grabbed the bolt, pulling it to the left. The bolt slid a few inches and crunched to an unexpected halt, not lining up with its sleeve.[/QUOTE]
Paragraphs two and five, above, were both taken from The Da Vinci Code. The first, third and fourth paragraphs are taken from the following: Cheap Trick, by Astrid Fox (Black Lace, 2001); The Reckoning, by Anonymous (Blue Moon, 1998); A Gentleman's Wager, by Madelynne Ellis (Black Lace 2003). As you might have gathered, those last three are soft-core porn paperbacks; Astrid Fox' and Madelynne Ellis are most likely pseudonymns for writers who realized that Anonymous was already taken (is it me, or does Astrid Fox sound like some female superhero's alter ego?).
I'm not trying to be cruel, but prove a point. My first measure of a writer is how he or she handles language, and the level of writing in Code is clearly no better than pulp novel pornography. To be fair, there's likely some undiscovered and formidable talent wasting away in some of those little black paperbacks. But as near as I can tell, Code isn't much better than the bulk of those… having skimmed a number of them to find appropriate passages, I noticed that the writing in some of them was noticeably better than Brown's, though the dialogue was terrible in all of them; Brown also shares with his pornographic brethren a penchant for detailed descriptions of churches, museums and gardens, along with many parochial authority figures. The only things keeping Dan Brown from being just another Astrid Fox are a lot of dumbed down history lessons and a lack of spanking.
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[QUOTE=chubbz]
And also, why's Dan Brown not a good writer?... I thought he was readable, although I've only read The Da Vinci Code.[/QUOTE]
he's not a strong writer. his book has strong content, but absolutely no craft. why the fuck does it take half a page to describe a person's wardrobe ensemble?
-but dont trip, my woman enjoyed it too. i counter that i enjoyed star wars novels, about seven years ago..
as for instigator.. what's wrong with you ?
-you came around last year after haunted came out. just so briefly to pimp a negative review by upping a link. and after rant released, here you are again, to complain about chuck this and chuck that, he's a cunt and blah blah blah.. personally, i have nothing against someone being honest or disliking a book and being expressive, but fuck, dude . your every post is about something negative. you rap about nothing else. why even come to this community with all of that negativity. fucking gorilla warfare, flinging the word cunt. Is all of this one-sided banter a need to express that you personally want chuck to rewrite survivor every year or two ?
oh, and im finding Rant to be brilliantly original, and badass. and what the fuck is wrong with people.. people having a fetish to wreck doesnt mean that JGBallard stole an original idea, but like Chuck did with fight club, he took a human fetish and wrote about it. if it didnt already exist, then people wouldnt know what the fuck he was writing about and it would mean nothing. Ballard stole crashings like chuck stole fight clubs, they are both writing from life. dont be such a dipshit, dude. just try to think and express yourself without so damned much emotion .
. twit
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Chuck's next book I'm going to make a fake Suglia account. I know the perfect avatar for it.
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[QUOTE=Instigator;996765]Fire away, Cultists...cos you know I take your opinions VERY seriously...or am I the liar behind the liar behind the liar...
[/QUOTE]
You are very strong.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
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[QUOTE=corellion;997128]I don't think it's fair to call every detractor of Chuck that comes here Suglia without proof.[/QUOTE]
I'm just tracking down the clues, matching the styles. I stand by my accusation: [I]Suggsed[/I].
I enjoyed the idea of DaVinci Code. The writing left a lot to be desired.
Jesus, will you people let the suglia stuff drop? quit swinging on his nuts!
I'm beginning to hate suglia-bashing more than i hate him.
did i miss something? who is this suglia?
you didn't miss anything
[QUOTE=glamhoth;997454]did i miss something? who is this suglia?[/QUOTE]
just a chuck hater - he's posted here before, although he liked Survivor and BEE - a poser and hack writer with a tiny wee wee
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All you've accused Chuck of is drawing elements of his stories from his envirounment. In a way intended to start a flamewar, of course. And instead of detailing exactly why you're wrong, I'm just going to sit here and feel sorry for you, you jealous little child.
Yawn, I don't really dig Rant either, I've been reading it for about a month and I'm still on maybe chapter four? It's not terrible terrible just I feel I've got to [I]plow[/I] through it.
You should read diary.
Oh yeah, and I kind of figured this one was Suglia because, hasn't he used that name before?
[QUOTE=Instigator;996765]Hello kiddiewinkles. I am about 50 or 60 pages from the end of the hilariously bad Rant, and just thought I'd weigh in here with a few of my own Palahniuk-fan-annoying thoughts on its thoughlessness.
Now. I confess, I have never before in my life read a book on purpose that I knew I (probably) wasn't going to enjoy. But after reading the shitty, worthless Haunted...I was sorta drawn almost against my will to this book when it came out and snagged a copy from the library. I knew it was gonnae be shite, cos Palahniuk is long past his peak, and is just churning out hackwork shite every year now like clockwork, but little did I know how ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HILARIOUS it would turn out to be. And not purposefully funny either which, of course, makes it ways, WAY funnier.
I mean...old ladies getting bitten by black widow spiders and eaten by packs of wild dogs? A main character who is addicted to animal venom(!) and who gets priapic erections through spider bites? Rabies transmission through a whole town by oral-genital intercourse or kissing? I could go on and on about how EVERY SINGLE aspect of this book is COMPLETE AND UTTER HILARIOUS BULLSHIT...but why bother? I suspect, to a degree, that wee Poloneck KNOWS that this is garbage...but I think he STILL thinks some of it has some actual honestagod MERIT (maybe listening to you fawning sycophants too much)...which makes the loon even crazier that I thought before.
And this book is a patchwork of plagiarism in a way that I have not encountered in a Palahniuk book (read 'em all except Diary and that travelogue one - used to be a fan until Haunted) and the author should be paying out royalties left, right and center to:
JG Ballard for ripping off the novel Crash (people crashing into each other fun fun/death).
David Cronenberg for ripping off the 1976 movie Rabid (in which a plague of rabies takes over a city - wonder why a gay writer would write a novel about a pandemic, eh?I KNEW AIDS would turn up in there somewhere!).
The director of the 1995 Ralph Fiennes movie Strange Days with its riff about boosting, virtual reality, etc.
Patrick Suskind for ripping off the novel Perfume with a LUDICROUS protagonist (LOVED the line on page 75: "A sexually conflicted thirteen-year-old rattlesnake-venom junkie with rabies - well, it's safe to say that's every father's worst nightmare.") with an over-developed sense of smell.
There was one other Cronenberg thing I was gonnae mention but I can't remember it right now. Now. As I said, pasticheur Palahniuk does some of this with a nod and a wink, but I suspect he STILL believes that this UTTERLY LUDICROUS stuff is actually (choke) good writing. But I mean, shit,...constructing a character (Neddy Nelson) just to spew conspiracy theories and pseudoscientific theories...what's with THAT? I mean, it totally fits with the writer's obsession with clinical facts a la William S Burroughs (as does his OBSESSION with 13-year-old boys and their cocks, as Haunted demonstrated in such weird disturbing fashion...but devoting an ENTIRE CREEPY CHAPTER to it? Fuck off and join NAMBLA, Chuck!)...but it's just TOTALLY lazy writing and just allows him to regurgitate page after page of facts gleaned from the net to save him actually having to use his IMAGINATION and write something INTERESTING. Total pish.
Another thing. The 'different voices' speaking in this book are nothing of the sort - ALL the characters in this book, give or take a phrase or two, speak with EXACTLY the same voice, just like the writers wrote the same in Haunted, which would, of course, be IMPOSSIBLE, especially as they are from different intelligence levels and walks of life. Terrible, lazy writing he just slings out every year because he knows it will sell regardless...and you fawning sycophantic psycho fan tic fans will lap it up unquestioningly. What UTTER SHIT.
Learn some humanity, Chuck, or learn to fucking write PERIOD - take a few years off, come back with something you have actually taken some TIME over and THEN you might write something worth reading and not laughing at. I realize you have a teenybop reading audience who idolize you, don't read anybody else's work and think you're a genius...but are you really such a TOTAL HACK (I personally know the answer to that one) that you wouldn't consider actually taking a bit of time and effort and energy and actually producing something GREAT like Survivor again? You seem to think you're a capital-w Writer, and hold seminars here on the subject...and yet you write such yellow journalism SHITE that you should be ASHAMED to publish it.
Just my opinion though. And you have a millon sycophants to counter it.
Fire away, Cultists...cos you know I take your opinions VERY seriously...or am I the liar behind the liar behind the liar...
(Chuckle)

"Maybe we can sell it as a snuff movie" - Meet The Feebles.
G.[/QUOTE]
didn't read
I did not bother to read through the other replies, merely skimmed, but your [I]hilariously[/I] insightful comments on Rant compelled me to register and reply, and perhaps stick around for awhile, being a fan of Palahniuk's work.
I wont bother quoting you word for word, being that it is [I]garbage[/I] - as you so branded this novel - instead I'll refrain from looking back at the ridiculous thoughts you have conveyed and use the inspiring idiocy of your critique as reference.
You stating all of the - as you claim them to be, [I]"hilariously funny and not meant to be so"[/I] instances in the book (characters, events, etc..), for the life of me I do not understand how your opinion of the plot, which is nothing more than your opinion, holds any weight on the quality of the writing or any of its message that I imagine is lost on you.
On a lesser note, shining your red-laser pointer on the sexual orientation of the author, trying to elude to something that you don't even grasp yourself - you obviously are self-conscience when it comes to your sexuality. It is a cornerstone of [I]humanity[/I]; and I imagine if you were to ask people and they were to answer truthfully, the amount of replies in the affirmative to having had a sexual encounter with another of the same sex would outweigh those having not.
And not to spend all too much time of your thoughts, which you wrote merely to benefit your own ego, your comments on the characters sharing one voice, just leads me to believe you are unimaginative - I would quote the book if my luggage had not been lost riding greyhound back home, but you should refer back to [I]The Tooth Fairy[/I] chapter. The first time I read through the book, I did so silently; as I am sure most others read. I've recently started to read poetry and passages from novels out loud, and upon finishing Rant I found myself craving its climate; I started to re-read it orally, voicing each character, and in doing so, reading each anecdote in its characters voice. As my vocal range is rather flexible, there was quite a bit of diversity in each voice, and with the adoption of new intonation and accent, you would be able to read the passages as each persona.You criticize Neddy Nelson, but have no idea how wonderful an addition he is when read as the fast-talking eccentric hyper kid I imagine him to be, and is read as such. Green-Taylor Simms with his somber, calm demeanor, Bodie Carlyle with his slow paced twang-country accent - I mean just read his passage in the earlier [I]Dogs[/I] chapter, four maybe? And it was just so amazingly pleasurable to read. The car salesman with his slick but cool demeanor, calculated and witty, I was shouting with pure joy just after [i]finishing[/i] reciting the [I]Pacing[/I] chapter, the last lines are so wonderful. I really am bummed I don't have the book with me, I hope to get it back because I had only recited through chapter six or so and really want to read through the book again.
To finish, as this has run on a little longer than I had planned, the humorous, inspired language is just lost on you. It is obvious you do not live life for its enjoyment, you do not abandon yourself to it, cannot get out of your head.
Some relative quotes from my favorite author Hermann Hesse and Henry David Thoreau..
[I]"What constitutes a real, live human being is more of a mystery than ever these days, and men each one of whom is a valuable, unique experiment on the part of nature are shot down wholesale."[/I] -H.H
[I]"Books can only reveal us to ourselves, and as often as they do us this service we lay them aside."
"A truly good book teaches me better than to read it. I must soon lay it down, and commence living on its hint. What I began by reading, I must finish by acting."
"Could a greater miracle take place than for us to look through each other's eyes for an instant?"
"If you can speak what you will never hear, if you can write what you will never read, you have done rare things."[/I] -H.D.T
[Sorry for the length as most people wont even bothering reading it all.]
I read it. Welcome to the cult fella. Bit of a heavy first post, but you seem to be echoing the sentiments of everyone else who's sentiments were worth echoing. Stick around, also, get an avatar. Feel free to make an introduction thread to yourself in the newbie forum and tell us a bit about yourself and everyone'll come and kiss you.
I'm so glad that Instigator has such strong convictions that after posting something that is over-the-top ridiculous he refuses to stick around to defend his point of view or try and mitigate the distance between his shite post and any valid points it may have.
I am all for dissent and critique, and if you feel you need to jump up and down while doing it thats fine. But stick around to discuss and debate shit. Dont just post and run...
My biggest rebuttal to your critique is simply that all of the elements you considered hilarious even though they were not intended to be, well, i am pretty sure they were meant to be hilarious. You dont write a book about a main character who is addicted to black widow venom which he uses as viagra without intending it to be hilarious. Palahniuk's work has a very "meta" aspect to it (probably more than one, really). The fact that the book is about something so absurd and extreme but it written about so casually and calmly is part of the style, it is a juxtaposition between what you, the reader, know (that this is ridiculous) and what the author is presenting (a calm, rational description). In that space, that gap that has been created, is where you can maybe glean some insight.
One thing I've learned from all my days of reading reviews and opinions on such topics as movies, books, or music is that everyone has different dislikes and likes. Period. Everyone sees a book, film, or music through their own eyes and infers their own conclusion. I have read reviews about some of my favorite films like for instance American Beauty, and have found countless people bashing a movie that I absolutely love. Now does that change the way I feel about the movie? Hell no. I also like Diary a lot more than most people from what I've seen in the forums. But who cares? I liked and maybe you didnt like it for whatever reason, so be it. There might be books that you like that I dont care for it, again so be it. All I'm getting at is don't let anyone tell you anything is good or bad, go out and find out for yourself. Because someone may say they hate a particular book, movie, or music, but when you go out and try it, you just might find it changes your whole perspective on things or even your life. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
[QUOTE=7sevenVII;1058355]One thing I've learned from all my days of reading reviews and opinions on such topics as movies, books, or music is that everyone has different dislikes and likes. Period. Everyone sees a book, film, or music through their own eyes and infers their own conclusion. I have read reviews about some of my favorite films like for instance American Beauty, and have found countless people bashing a movie that I absolutely love. Now does that change the way I feel about the movie? Hell no. I also like Diary a lot more than most people from what I've seen in the forums. But who cares? I liked and maybe you didnt like it for whatever reason, so be it. There might be books that you like that I dont care for it, again so be it. All I'm getting at is don't let anyone tell you anything is good or bad, go out and find out for yourself. Because someone may say they hate a particular book, movie, or music, but when you go out and try it, you just might find it changes your whole perspective on things or even your life. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.[/QUOTE]
These are all incredible observations.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
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He's sure got some jowels on him.
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Now. I confess, I have never before in my life read a book on purpose that I knew I (probably) wasn't going to enjoy. But after reading the shitty, worthless Haunted...I was sorta drawn almost against my will to this book when it came out and snagged a copy from the library. I knew it was gonnae be shite, cos Palahniuk is long past his peak, and is just churning out hackwork shite every year now like clockwork, but little did I know how ABSOLUTELY FUCKING HILARIOUS it would turn out to be. And not purposefully funny either which, of course, makes it ways, WAY funnier.G.[/QUOTE]
could you clarify why you would intentionally read a book by an author you obviously despise and have developed a predetermined biased against and then post your opinion of said novel on a website of his fans?
thats like knowingly eating something you're violently allergic to and then complaining about it later.....
you make no sense.
[QUOTE=trenton welles;1078059]could you clarify why you would intentionally read a book by an author you obviously despise and have developed a predetermined biased against and then post your opinion of said novel on a website of his fans?
thats like knowingly eating something you're violently allergic to and then complaining about it later.....
you make no sense.[/QUOTE]
Trenton Welles, your truthfulness makes me giggle.
I don't really like Rachel Evan Wood as an actress, but I sure as hell am not going to linger on her Culty Websites, wherever they may be. Case and point.
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[QUOTE=trenton welles;1078059]could you clarify why you would intentionally read a book by an author you obviously despise and have developed a predetermined biased against and then post your opinion of said novel on a website of his fans?
thats like knowingly eating something you're violently allergic to and then complaining about it later.....
you make no sense.[/QUOTE]
He's just a crazy we keep around for entertainment. You can almost see his spittle speckling the screen as he types all this virulent and obsessive nonsense. If he ever starts to bore us we'll change his user name to dipshit and give him a fluffy kitty avatar.
Here's his latest [URL=http://www.chuckpalahniuk.net/community/showthread.php?p=1077959#post1077959]idiocy[/URL].
Remember the film American Splendor? Paul Giamatti goes to see Revenge of the Nerds with his wife and friend. He gets really pissed that either of them could enjoy what he thinks of as such a terrible film. A book or a film is what it is and it's value is wrapped up in what it does for the one reading of watching it. I can see this guy walking out of a kung-fu flik and bemoaning the lack of meaningful dialouge.
[QUOTE=Albannaich;1078257]Remember the film American Splendor? Paul Giamatti goes to see Revenge of the Nerds with his wife and friend. He gets really pissed that either of them could enjoy what he thinks of as such a terrible film. A book or a film is what it is and it's value is wrapped up in what it does for the one reading of watching it. I can see this guy walking out of a kung-fu flik and bemoaning the lack of meaningful dialouge.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't you have to question the guys intelligence though for knowingly walking into a kung fu movie, [i]knowing[/i] it's going to stink, and then getting mad when it does?




You should alert everyone of all the spoilers... :eek: