Questions about the end concerning echo (spoillers)
At the end of the book it gives details concerning each character but there is nothing for echo. Did I miss it or something cause I couldn't find it. I'm guessing she most likely got in a car accident/reversed pioneered-flashback-time traveled considering green, shot, neddy, tina, and rant/chet also did, but it never does say. Anyone have any conclusion for echo?
Also,
What is up with the relationship between Irene Casey and Bodie Carlyle. Am I suppose to make something of the scene when they meet in the middle of the night before everyone gets arrested. It just seemed like there was something more going but I couldn't figure it out. any ideas?
Trilogy?
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[QUOTE=Lazlosdead;968301]Trilogy?[/QUOTE]
That's what Chuck says in this radio interview at least...
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didn't he learn anything from the star wars and matrix trilogy fiasco?!
Kinda a confusing book, worth a re-read. The Echo thing at the end threw me off, I searched for her section thinking I missed it, I was a bit disappointed that Chuck didn't write a section for her.
It's possible that Echo, Shot, and Ned succeeded in going back in time. That is one thing I thought of, that they're from the present, but Shot succeeded in getting rid of boosting technology, Ned succeeded in stopping the I-SEE-U Act, and Echo could have become a Historian, erasing her. That wouldn't really work if it's a trilogy though
[QUOTE=mad decent;968145] maybe we'll hear from her again in the next book of the trilogy? .[/QUOTE]
chuck says at the reading last night the next book is called: snuff. damn i hate trilogies, one book is bound to be bad. stories get stale, you shouldn't PLAN for a trilogy.
Chuck said that Snuff and the book after that aren't part of the trilogy.
what's everyones thought on Echo possibly being Rant's mother? or Waxman being one of the Carlyles?
[QUOTE=Patches;969881]Chuck said that Snuff and the book after that aren't part of the trilogy.[/QUOTE]
i think the "trilogy' stuff is from him saying he wants to do three books with his take on sci-fi
similar to his trilogy of horror books (Lullabye, Diary, Haunted)
it's just three books dabbling in sci-fi issues rather than three inter-connecting stories
oh rant is sf.
I saw that as being the only reason shew was given cerebral palsy.
Also I'd like to think that the book thingie was reading at the beginning, talking about all the human bodies found in unlikely places. I'd like to think they were all the people who disappeared.
[QUOTE=Six On The Dot;969978]I thought Echo might be Rant's mom also.
But I don't think so.
Because her fucked up arm
Also, because wouldn't she have to have been "Stoked" or something also?
I dont know I'm very lost.[/QUOTE]
i think I'm just wanting there to be more to this book than I originally read it as
her arm was messed up from the car accident though and not from a birth defect
also, I'm looking for some reason that Waxman was even in the book at all
[QUOTE=corellion;969990]I saw that as being the only reason shew was given cerebral palsy.
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when the hell did he mention her having cerebral palsy?
I didn't know she had that. I thought that just was a result of the car accident in her youth.
that was from the car wreck wasn't it
maybe she had some kind of brain damage from it but it wasn't cerebral palsy
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[QUOTE=Six On The Dot;969978]I thought Echo might be Rant's mom also.
But I don't think so.
Because her fucked up arm
Also, because wouldn't she have to have been "Stoked" or something also?
I dont know I'm very lost.[/QUOTE]
I think you're his mom.
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On the Rant website, if you click on the newsclipping reading "1822 Gold Coin discovered," it opens to a "Government Files" section. If you click on Echo's character, her current status reveals her to be dead (and not disappeared). This means she did not become a historian, but died, either trying to become a historian, or of rabies (or I guess any other way).
Thoughts?
[QUOTE=rocknroll_lives;968775]Kinda a confusing book, worth a re-read. The Echo thing at the end threw me off, I searched for her section thinking I missed it, I was a bit disappointed that Chuck didn't write a section for her.[/QUOTE]
I did the same thing...I was REALLY disappointed by that...I thought she was one of the more interesting characters in the book by far.
[QUOTE=PureTaurine;971385]I did the same thing...I was REALLY disappointed by that...I thought she was one of the more interesting characters in the book by far.[/QUOTE]
that's why I keep thinking I need to re-read it again and see if there's some sort of clues as to her outcome a'la Survivor.
because there is no way he [i]forgot[/i] to include her in the final chapter
[QUOTE=Six On The Dot;971358]but she didn't die.
at least like...unless the girl at the end that was in the wedding cocoon was tina something?
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Whether she died or not, the Government Files says she's dead. Which means they probably have the body, because otherwise they would say she disappeared. If it were Echo in the wedding cocoon, he probably would have mentioned the stunted arms as a clue. Unless he did and I missed it.
Unless she prevented the car crash when she was small somehow
i kinda assumed echo to be the one gathering everyone's stories. i know others discuss her, but she just seems to have a slight different POV. like she's putting together people's stories and she's like "oh when i said ___ i actually meant ____". i don't think i'm making sense.
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[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;971392]that's why I keep thinking I need to re-read it again and see if there's some sort of clues as to her outcome a'la Survivor.
because there is no way he [i]forgot[/i] to include her in the final chapter[/QUOTE]
i think there is no point me rereading it for 3rd time or how many times more, we won't get it, isn't it?
So Echo is removed from the contributor list intentionally, but i can't really figure out why..
can somebody just go ask Chuck?
and i don't think i get that part right when they were spying outside Irene's house..
What is it about [I]-the point when bogus Carlye bust them or something?[/I]
I look forward to re-reading rant soon. But I felt the book was somewhat of a let down for more than Echo's absence from the last chapter.
The time travel bit almost felt like a sell out to me. I'm not sure I dig the ending, and the novel is definately not my favorite work by Chuck.
It seems universally agreed upon that Chet and Rant were the same person, if this is true, then Chet/Rant knew the secret of time travel. The book mentions that if Rant and Echo could, they would be normal simple average people. So if when Rant drove his flaming christmas tree off the bridge he went back and saved his mom from being raped, then he would have righted to the past wrong. Chet/Rant loving Echo like they do would want her to share in there mastery of time, and stop her tradgedy from happening hence she would be in this lineal time crap. So Rant, and Echo in my opinion are left out because they didn't want to be party crashing but instead lived a normal average life.
Any insight?
[QUOTE=Temple Owl;980959]It seems universally agreed upon that Chet and Rant were the same person, if this is true, then Chet/Rant knew the secret of time travel. The book mentions that if Rant and Echo could, they would be normal simple average people. So if when Rant drove his flaming christmas tree off the bridge he went back and saved his mom from being raped, then he would have righted to the past wrong. Chet/Rant loving Echo like they do would want her to share in there mastery of time, and stop her tradgedy from happening hence she would be in this lineal time crap. So Rant, and Echo in my opinion are left out because they didn't want to be party crashing but instead lived a normal average life.
Any insight?[/QUOTE]
You mean Rant went back and did what Chester was not able to do? Thereby erasing Rant (the Rant as we know him) from the future?
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;980976]You mean Rant went back and did what Chester was not able to do? Thereby erasing Rant (the Rant as we know him) from the future?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, Rant suceeded, and got back in time to stop the rapist, thereby stopping himself from ever being born.
has anyone put forth the theory that it was Echo herself that went back in time and crashed into her parents car killing them?
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;980996]has anyone put forth the theory that it was Echo herself that went back in time and crashed into her parents car killing them?[/QUOTE]
If we say it's possible that Rant went back and saved his mother, and was able to right one wrong then why wouldn't whatever variation of Rant's lineage (whichever his biological father was who crashed into echo) be able to go back and write that wrong, and either save, kill, or educate her.
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;980996]has anyone put forth the theory that it was Echo herself that went back in time and crashed into her parents car killing them?[/QUOTE]
We know that it was Simms who originally went back but I guess I guess Echo could've gone back and beat him to it which raises the question, why would she want to kill her parents? Immortality? Possibly. I'm convinced that Rant did save his mother. Thanks
Owl. I'm leaning towards Echo goin back in time. Killing her parents, maybe. But this also changes alot of things in the future. If Echo crashed killed her parent, then Green would've never crashed into them, meaning he never would've gone back which means none of this is even happening. Am I real?
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;981041]We know that it was Simms who originally went back but I guess I guess Echo could've gone back and beat him to it which raises the question, why would she want to kill her parents? Immortality? Possibly. I'm convinced that Rant did save his mother. Thanks
Owl. I'm leaning towards Echo goin back in time. Killing her parents, maybe. But this also changes alot of things in the future. If Echo crashed killed her parent, then Green would've never crashed into them, meaning he never would've gone back which means none of this is even happening. Am I real?[/QUOTE]
If Echo was the one that killed her parents in the crash, she wouldn't be immortal. You only become immortal if you kill your parents [I]before[/I] you are born. She was already born, so that wouldn't have done anything.
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;969888]i think the "trilogy' stuff is from him saying he wants to do three books with his take on sci-fi
similar to his trilogy of horror books (Lullabye, Diary, Haunted)
it's just three books dabbling in sci-fi issues rather than three inter-connecting stories[/QUOTE]
He says specifically that his next book will be Snuff and after that will be the second Rant book. He's pretty clear that Rant is a trilogy.
I'm pretty sure Echo had Bell's Palsy, caused to trauma to the 7th cranial nerve, to a large extent. But my point is there are other palsies than cerebral.
I'm also pretty pissed that she wasn't included in the contributers chapter. But maybe it was the reason Reese suggested: that she was the one gathering the biography.
Well, that's my two cents.
Also, rant-book.com says Echo's current status is DEAD. Hmmmmm.
The part that I'm having trouble understanding is her parent's crash. I thought the mom and dad purposely crashed to reverse pioneer, and get into a "simpler time". So I don't think she would've killed them.
Here's my take on the contributors section...it mentions most of the party crashers which means they went back to hybrid themselves. However it doesn't mention echo which to me means she did go back and kill her parents. My reasoning is that she knows her parents are going to die anyway (in the car accident) so why not go back and kill them before she's born so she won't have her deformities. Another thought is that she doesn't necessarily have to kill them, that's just what we are told. IF you can just stop the two parents from getting together she can keep them from dying in the accident and make her immortal. Maybe she went back and just found a way to keep them from meeting. We assume rant went back to stop the rape but it never says that he has to kill someone and his mom, chet, simms, etc...the people that we know go back in time are still around.
I don't know if any of what I just typed made sense to anyone else 
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I don't know if any of what I just typed made sense to anyone else ;)[/QUOTE]Nope. Sorry.
i think the only explanation for echo's lack of appearance in the "where are they now" section is that she did become a historian ... and, truthfully, the fact that this was foreshadowed by her being the one who killed her parents in the story's non-loop time feels like a pretty big hint. obviously that couldn't be the final time, but the encased bride, her sudden disappearance ... and of course the government would say she was dead! isn't that the whole point?
It's so obvious people, he wrote a whole chapter about the where-are-they-now for Shot and Echo! The last chapter. Read it again. That's them talking about what would happen if they ever time travelled. They'd change things so there is no boosting peaks, no daytime-nighttime split. That's why we don't have those things. They have travelled back and made the world like it is for us today instead of what it was like for them in the book. They got the happiest of endings...probably. Since those things didn't come to pass for us, it follows that they successfully made changes that will give them normal lives just like ours instead of disfigurements from car-accidents and renting boosting peaks and rabies epidemics.
Not sure about Echo, I was wondering that myself - maybe we'll hear from her again in the next book of the trilogy? Or maybe she became a Historian and we're supposed to forget she ever existed...
As for Bodie, I'm assuming it goes back to his quote in the first 1/3 of the book, about never having the balls to ask if Rant fucked his mom.
My head is still swimming from this one.