July Book Club Book - Raw Shark Text
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[QUOTE=corellion;997143]... I was still undecided if maybe Dr. Randle was playing some sort of experiment with the "second" one, and had placed all those letters herself. ...[/QUOTE]
i was sort of thinking along the same lines here. did you notice the quote by dr ryan mitchell, police psychologist, in the news paper article at the end? the same ryan mitchell of the eponymous mantra? are the 2 doctors in cahoots?
[QUOTE=TastesLikeChicken;997465]the answer is, like, right in front of you on the page....
part of your above post is soooo close!![/QUOTE]
can we talk about how you only show up to taunt me?
i'm posting this for the world to know: i am an idiot. i still have no idea how to get into this stupid site, despite the password being private messaged to me. that's right, i'm just that dumb. go ahead, point, laugh, do what you must...someone just draw me instruction pictures so i can read it.
[QUOTE=moe.ron;997993]can we talk about how you only show up to taunt me?
i'm posting this for the world to know: i am an idiot. i still have no idea how to get into this stupid site, despite the password being private messaged to me. that's right, i'm just that dumb. go ahead, point, laugh, do what you must...someone just draw me instruction pictures so i can read it.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for starting my day off with a big laugh. lol. 
[QUOTE=moe.ron;997993]can we talk about how you only show up to taunt me?
i'm posting this for the world to know: i am an idiot. i still have no idea how to get into this stupid site, despite the password being private messaged to me. that's right, i'm just that dumb. go ahead, point, laugh, do what you must...someone just draw me instruction pictures so i can read it.[/QUOTE]
It is case sensitive.
*is just sitting back and enjoying the code cracking*
S
I'm heading to the library now to see if they got this. I need a break from crafting.
[QUOTE=moe.ron;997993]can we talk about how you only show up to taunt me?
i'm posting this for the world to know: i am an idiot. i still have no idea how to get into this stupid site, despite the password being private messaged to me. that's right, i'm just that dumb. go ahead, point, laugh, do what you must...someone just draw me instruction pictures so i can read it.[/QUOTE]
Oh and even the suggestions / hints aren't working for me either. So yeah I feel your pain.
But in my defense - I am currently reading the book. I haven't finished it yet. So maybe I'm not fighting with the same arsenal as you.
alright bitches, marsjams finally steered me in the right direction, so stop pointing and laughing, i'm in. finally.
thank you, marsjams. 
Speaking of code cracking and figuring out logins to websites, here's a quick question for Steven...
Was the Aquarium Fragment written before / during / after TRST?
Are all of the fragments available online?
i have a quick question, that is going to make me sound like a big douche-bag idiot, but after clicking the link what do you do to get to the aquarium fragment?
sorry in advance for most likely being stupid... but thanks
[QUOTE=PureTaurine;998391]Speaking of code cracking and figuring out logins to websites, here's a quick question for Steven...
Was the Aquarium Fragment written before / during / after TRST?
Are all of the fragments available online?[/QUOTE]
Hey there,
It was written during. Folks might have noticed that the Aquarium Fragment is identified as Negative 1/36 at the end of the document. For each chapter in the book there is, or will be, an un-chapter, a negative. If folks look carefully at the novel they should be able to figure out why these un-chapters called negatives.
Not all the negatives are as long as the Aquarium Fragment - some are only a page, some are only a couple of lines. Some are much longer than the Aquarium Fragment. About a quarter of them are out there so far. (It’s an ongoing project set to run for a while yet) Not all of the negatives are online, [URL=http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781841959115&itm=1] some are, but they're hiding.[/URL] Anyone with the Raw Shark UK special edition will have Negative 6/36 and anyone with a Canadian edition will have Negative 36/36 (and also a good idea of what some of the other negatives are).
The negatives are not deleted scenes, they are very much a part of the novel but they are all splintered from it in some way.
Did I mention that no two editions of the book so far have been the same? 
S
[SIZE=5][U]Does Eric Sanderson Dream of Conceptual Sharks?[/U]
[/SIZE][SIZE=1][COLOR=Red][B]SPOILERS[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
Question: Steven, the plans for the film adaption are underway, correct? Are any of the negatives going to be slipped into that? The film, that is.
The fact there are unchapters seem to, I guess, further the idea that this isn't just some nuthead's dream. However, well, the fact is he [B]must [/B]be nutty. I mean, I've been looking through for characters that appear and dissappear, but I can't find any. Well, there's a missing cat. That cat's still a mystery. Then there's Mr. Nobody. There's the dream from the package he sent Eric that he opened inside the loop. The dream in the Museum of Naxos. That's an odd dream. Clio's stuff, and the letter we can assume is from Clip, the card even. All of it beind inside a case. It's their stuff. No question.
[QUOTE]Something bad's happening. I've gone outside.
I might be a while.
C xx[/QUOTE]
What was the bad thing that was happening? Why did this dream come to him after Mr. Nobody's package was opened inside the dictaphone lope?
Also, he meets Mr. Nobody inside unspace. That I'm sure of. He talks about Fidorous. Mr. Nobody said Fidorous founded the school that his employer expanded upon. And then Mr. Nobody freaked. I mean, it seemed pretty obvious in reflection that he was controlled by Mycroft Ward, but then, the pills and everything threw me off. Fidorous didn't mention anything about the host struggling, did he? Then he says something that brought on my Eric as Mycroft theory.
[QUOTE]"You don't know who I am, do you?" his new voice said. Standing now, he gave a big boney stretch, splattering water droplets. "I'm you, of course. We're the same dead not-person."[/QUOTE]
Then, later. And as I type I'm flicking through to anything Fidorous says about Mycroft Ward.
[QUOTE]"My employer is a scientist, I told you that didn't I?" Mr. Nobody was standing by his chair, glasses back on. He had his leather bag open and turned away to swallow tablets from a small plastic tub. "Chemicals," he sais, popping the cap back on and dropping the tub into the bag. "He can remake a person out of chemical stuffing and wire, keep them walking and talking... the miracles of modern science."[/QUOTE]
I've checked, and Fidorous says hardly anything about Ward. Does anyone want to give me a page number that I can find some more stuff about Ward on?
Let's not forget that Mycroft Holmes was Sherlock's elder brother, smarter than he and yet too lazy to prove any of his theories right.
This was intended to be longer, but I'm not going to go off on a ramble unless I'm sure.
[SIZE=1][RIGHT]All Quotes taken from The Raw Shark Texts, by Steven Hall. Canongate Books Ltd. 2007. ( ISBN 9871 84195 902 3) Please don't sue me.[/RIGHT][/SIZE]
There is some discussion and a links to some of the Negatives (and other TRST related stuff) [URL=http://www.rawsharktexts.com/unspace/viewtopic.php?t=31] here[/URL].
You wouldn't believe the fat ideas I've compiled from posts on that forum. How the unspace they're occupying is a negative of where Clio died, and other such stuff. This was posted by Santonio, and is well worth the read.
Dichotomy, symmetry and unity appear to be among the strongest themes in TRST. Like the Rorschach inkblots, many of the characters and situations present dual aspects that may be interpreted as two distinct but reflective elements (alternately “the view” and “the reflection” mirrored and organized along a central axis or concept), or alternately (and from a different paradigm), may be interpreted as a single whole.
There has been much discussion about Scout being a shade of Clio (in fact she allegedly was reconceptualized _twice_ by Eric). Trey Fiderous could be a fragmented echo of Eric’s grandfather - brylcreem, changing moods and all. The [i]burr burr burr[/i] signaling the approach of the harpooned but relentless Ludovician is the same [i]burr burr burr[/i] of phone calls from Clio’s dad that to Eric signals an inevitable onset of guilt, fear and anguish. Even the postcard’s twin stamps are positive-negative versions of each other. Two states of the same thing.
The First and Second Eric Sandersons are, in a way, mirror images of each other. The First Eric is the ‘ghost’ that haunts and pushes the Second forward towards fulfillment of the First’s original mission of saving Clio. Alternately, the disassociated, memory-less Second Eric is also just an artifact, a fragment, a ghost of the First Eric, who relies on information from the First to reassemble his identity. The fact that the First Eric ‘resides’ in the past, yet communicates to the Second from future letters, is another layer of oscillating duality. Ultimately, the two Erics are really just one, in both a physical sense (i.e. they are the same biological entity) and a metaphysical sense (because of this interdependence and alternation). While the novel initially presents an ‘inkblot’ comprising two Erics, as events transpire, the whole Eric formed by these two parts is revealed.
Eric, as the mythical Orpheus, descends to Tartarus (that is, unspace) _twice_ to retrieve Eurydice/Clio from death. In the first instance, he does not succeed, and like Orpheus who is torn to bits by Maenads (another way of saying he went insane), he loses himself to the Ludovician. In the second instance, the outcome is not quite as clear. At novel’s end the Second Eric appears to be in two states/worlds at the same time: alive and happy in Naxos, and failed and dead in Deansgate. The postcard stamps echo this: he either “passed through Ariadne’s arch” on the path to despair and destruction, or he transformed/“reversed” his fate and achieved happiness. It is up to the reader (possibly a _third_ Eric Sanderson to whom this manuscript and artifacts are left??) to decide which version is more applicable (believable, aligned with one’s _convictions_?). Observation, value judgment and personal interpretation are required of the reader, in the same way one would interpret a Rorschach inkblot.
These concepts, in the most rudimentary sense, are intrinsic to the thought experiment “Schrodinger’s Cat”. This quantum physics experiment demonstrates the principle of superposition: any object (in this case a cat in a sealed chamber) is actually in all possible states simultaneously (i.e. both dead AND alive in the chamber), as long as no one checks its status. It is the observation itself that causes the object to have a single state (dead OR alive). Tegmark (!) developed the experiment further, _taking the view of the cat_. Is Ian in fact Schrodinger’s conceptual cat?? As such, Ian symbolizes the possibility of multiple states of being (states of mind?) and permits both fates of Eric (Incidentally, Ian himself has a ‘twin’ in the unseen Gavin.).
Perhaps there are then no right or wrong interpretations of Eric’s fate – both fates are valid until filtered through what is believed to be true to and resonant with the reader/observer. In this sense (i.e. “seeing the inkblot as a whole”), the novel itself is literally “The Rorschach Test”.
Which gave me the small idea, though my brain is too nicotineless to work out the metaphysical ramifications, that Ian, when in unspace, is Gavin?
Any clues Steven? Pretty please?
[QUOTE=Steven Hall;998605]Hey there,
It was written during. Folks might have noticed that the Aquarium Fragment is identified as Negative 1/36 at the end of the document. For each chapter in the book there is, or will be, an un-chapter, a negative. If folks look carefully at the novel they should be able to figure out why these un-chapters called negatives.
Not all the negatives are as long as the Aquarium Fragment - some are only a page, some are only a couple of lines. Some are much longer than the Aquarium Fragment. About a quarter of them are out there so far. (It’s an ongoing project set to run for a while yet) Not all of the negatives are online, [URL=http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9781841959115&itm=1] some are, but they're hiding.[/URL] Anyone with the Raw Shark UK special edition will have Negative 6/36 and anyone with a Canadian edition will have Negative 36/36 (and also a good idea of what some of the other negatives are).
The negatives are not deleted scenes, they are very much a part of the novel but they are all splintered from it in some way.
Did I mention that no two editions of the book so far have been the same?
S[/QUOTE]
GOD DAMNIT YOU FUCKER! ::gets started purchasing other editions::
Also, thank you haha
Looks like I have a lot more Raw Shark action ahead of me...which is an excellent thing.
[Ironman] 9:19 pm: Girls are NOT are sperm depositors
[QUOTE=tom9d;999227]GOD DAMNIT YOU FUCKER! ::gets started purchasing other editions::
Also, thank you haha
Looks like I have a lot more Raw Shark action ahead of me...which is an excellent thing.[/QUOTE]
Why, thank you. About those other editions - I'd look for the Canadian edition and the UK first edition if you can find one. Also, for folks who speak Greek, there will be a little extra treat in the Greek translation...
Sorry, no clues.
Enjoying reading the theories though.
S
[QUOTE=corellion;998984]
Which gave me the small idea, though my brain is too nicotineless to work out the metaphysical ramifications, that Ian, when in unspace, is Gavin?
Any clues Steven? Pretty please?
[/QUOTE]
That would be brilliant! More to ponder...
[QUOTE=Steven Hall;999572]Sorry, no clues. :)[/QUOTE]
We bought your book, you must drop us a clue or two. Please?
Hey Steven, again*.
I have a quick question regarding the different editions, namely, the two US ones. Is there any different between the blue covered version, and the red covered version? TO my undersatnding they're the same, but...
Thanks.
-Peter
*I say again because we met and chatted in Ney York, sometime in May, both at your reading, and the following afterparty type thing. All good fun.
I haven't read the book yet, but i put a hold on it at my local library to get it and it is in the NJ library system as nonfiction. Is this right? I read a brief description of the book and it certainly dose not sound like nonfiction.
I'm not understanding the different editions thing. What's different? What do I have that apparently some other people don't? I have the Canadian one... There's a page just inside the cover that has some text, in the picture you can see it through the shark (the shark is a hole in the actual cover)
[url]http://www.amazon.ca/Raw-Shark-Texts-Steven-Hall/dp/0002008408/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/702-3322421-4836817?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184443799&sr=8-1[/url]
Mobkey, I own the US, white ARC, UK (special slip case edition), and the Canadian edition. I took picture of each, and their differences a while back. [URL=http://www.flickr.com/photos/98149762@N00/sets/72157600170422771/]Here's a link[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mricpx;1000288]I haven't read the book yet, but i put a hold on it at my local library to get it and it is in the NJ library system as nonfiction. Is this right? I read a brief description of the book and it certainly dose not sound like nonfiction.[/QUOTE]
it's fiction.
so are we going to discuss this book or what?? is everyone still reading?
I was previously thinking about reflections, but thinking about negatives makes more sense. Could it be that Mr nobody is Erics negative, a "soul" with memories but with no real body, whereas eric has a body but no memories, or self, or "soul"?
Also, Trey Fidorous strikes me as the negative of Erics dad. Erics dad is no good with words, whereas Fidorous is a magician of words.
I wonder about Aunt Ruth and her husband too. Maybe a negative of Clios parents?
Pete.
[QUOTE=moe.ron;1000959]it's fiction.
so are we going to discuss this book or what?? is everyone still reading?[/QUOTE]
Sorry Moe - school, work, etc... I don't get reading time anymore. I'm a little over half way through it. I remember the days when I had a slacker job and actually read 2 books a week. Nice...
I have a question for Steve - Is there any differences between the American Red Cover and Blue Cover (besides the cover colors)?
[QUOTE=kippertoffee;1001029]I wonder about Aunt Ruth and her husband too. Maybe a negative of Clios parents?[/QUOTE]
Sorry to quote myself, but to expand on my previous rambling, Scout appears almost immediately after eric talks to Aunt Ruths husband. If he was the negative of Clio's dad then his approval and understanding of Erics strife (quite the reverse of Mr Aames) maybe allows for scout/clio to re-enter the scene, over the phone no less - Mr Aames used to ring Eric in the night.
Peat
I just finished the book about 15 minutes ago and I have to say, I'm still thinking everything over and probably will be for a while. it was amazing, though. it's like each sentence is a twinkly little bite of perfection. corellion, that explanation was really helpful. as soon as I have some time, I'm gonna explore the unspace forum.
Hello Steven, thanks for hoping into the forums for this little Q&A/discussion about your book.
I missed out on seeing you over in Boston/Cambridge, MA, USA when you did your signing, I was hoping to have asked you a quick question there at the time. However, now will be just as good I believe.
Eric Sanderson had lost his memory multiple times, you established. My question, is did similar events occur at any point in time during those last ten recurrences? We know at some point in time, he started to send himself letters, just don't know when, only the 9th to the 10th/First, and 10th/First to the 11th/Second. How far back did the mailing go, and the letters the 11th/Second Eric have been getting, has he gotten them before? Like this set of letters is a compilation of letters from recurrances 7 through 10 etc? If that happened before, had he met Scout multiple times before?
Cheers on the book, it is a great one. And that one comment you made, about no two editions being the same, it's making me mad trying to figure out if there's something else different about the two US hardcover editions other than the red and blue slipcases.
Take care, I'll be eagerly awaiting your next book, for I hear it's in the works.
- T.
Another point for the whole sinister plot is the Ludovician. Let's not forget The Ludovico Treatment from A Clockwork Orange, as terrible a piece of work as it is.
[QUOTE=Typhonae;1004505]Hello Steven, thanks for hoping into the forums for this little Q&A/discussion about your book.
I missed out on seeing you over in Boston/Cambridge, MA, USA when you did your signing, I was hoping to have asked you a quick question there at the time. However, now will be just as good I believe.
Eric Sanderson had lost his memory multiple times, you established. My question, is did similar events occur at any point in time during those last ten recurrences? We know at some point in time, he started to send himself letters, just don't know when, only the 9th to the 10th/First, and 10th/First to the 11th/Second. How far back did the mailing go, and the letters the 11th/Second Eric have been getting, has he gotten them before? Like this set of letters is a compilation of letters from recurrances 7 through 10 etc? If that happened before, had he met Scout multiple times before?
Cheers on the book, it is a great one. And that one comment you made, about no two editions being the same, it's making me mad trying to figure out if there's something else different about the two US hardcover editions other than the red and blue slipcases.
Take care, I'll be eagerly awaiting your next book, for I hear it's in the works.
- T.[/QUOTE]
Hey T,
Thanks for the question. If you take a look again at the first chapter you'll see that Randle tells Eric that with every recurrence he lost a little more of his memory, not that each one caused a total amnesiac break. With each recurrence he lost a little more of himself until, after the 11th, he woke up completely empty - as the Second Eric Sanderson.
Anyway, that's what Randle tells him, but there's at least one big something in the book which suggests that this might not be completely true...
Steven
[QUOTE=corellion;1000154]We bought your book, you must drop us a clue or two. Please?[/QUOTE]
Hey Corellion,
I have to be so careful with this because the last thing I want is to spoil other people's readings of the story.
If you wanted something to ponder within the text, I might suggest the theme of 'doorways'.
S
That'll do nicely, merci beacoup.
I am just back to the States from a summer trip through Europe [Amsterdam, Berlin, Prague, London] and stumbled upon The Raw Shark Texts in a Gatwick Airport bookstore on my return leg. I laughed out loud in the store after saying the title to myself, quietly. 'Ror-schach Texts... hehehehe'.
The title got me to pick the book up, the back cover [no blurbs... just an introduction and a warning] convinced me to open the book, and a curious flip-book animation of a shark close to the back caused me to realize that I was holding something unlike anything that I had read before...
[I am not done reading the book, for the record, but I am racing towards the finish]
Some thoughts so far:
-The book prior to this one on my reading list was 'The Omnivore's Dilemma' by Michael Pollan. As a result, consumption and man's natural place on the food chain hang heavy on my mind. Great themes to help me get started.
-Chapter 9 and subsequent descriptions have me engulfed in a Lovecraftian environment of familiar/alien flora/fauna... my skin itches with the thought of crawling text.
-In addition to Lovecraft, I have had flashes of Neal Stephenson, China Mieville and Mark Z. Danielewski. [Great company for a writer to keep]
-The Morse/QWERTY code has me salivating, waiting for a coded section of text to translate/transform... but nothing [yet?].
-The text cries out for a cinematic visualization but the text will always need to be grounded in text... It seems silly [to me] to imagine living creatures made of alphanumerical figures invading our world yet the concept is absolutely sound while confined to the pages of text that generated the concept.
I will be back once I have finished the rest [half way there].
Thanks, Steven, for the ride thus far.
Thanks, Chuck, for hosting this.
Back to the hunt!
~the first steven westdahl
[QUOTE=corellion;1004517]Another point for the whole sinister plot is the Ludovician. Let's not forget The Ludovico Treatment from A Clockwork Orange, as terrible a piece of work as it is.[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong but isn't Ludovician another term for Unknown.
from cultspace.org
[B]Mysteries of the Infinite Ludovician Gods
"Devoted to the worship of the endless gods that do not actually exist."
The ancient Greeks and Romans made sacrifices to the Unknown God, realizing that there could be gods they didn't know about, and wanting to cover all their bases by trying to appease those gods as well.[/B]
[QUOTE=swestdahl;1005747]
-The Morse/QWERTY code has me salivating, waiting for a coded section of text to translate/transform... but nothing [yet?].
[/QUOTE]
Has anyone solved this yet?
Light Bulb Fragment on YouTube: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBa737AV9S0[/url]
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRUBJ9N5Chg&mode=related&search=]interesting interview with Mr. Hall about the book[/URL]
Warning: my brain is painkiller-hazy right now so this might not make sense to anyone but me.
I just watched Memento yesterday and it made me think of Raw Shark... the fact that you'll never know the full truth about the story, how the main characters both lost more and more of their memories until they didn't know what was real out of the leftovers;the conflicting messages on Lenny's photos, Randle telling Eric not to trust the letters and vice versa. They both tried to communicate with their future selves but their methods have the same risk: there is no way to know who the real author is, which means they can't know if they're being deceived or not.
The book also reminded me of Remainder, which I also wouldn't have read if not for this site. It's like Remainder is the opposite of Raw Shark.. in the former, the protagonist is content to be lost in a loop of actions repeating over and over and over, while the latter's main character goes on a monumental quest to find some truth; Remainder's narrator (he wasn't named, was he?) stays bogged down in the mindless physicality of his re-enactments until his life becomes one of them, and Eric trancends the physical and enters a different plane of existence entirely, and maybe it's just me, but they both end happily, at least for their protagonists. Both characters are perfectly content to spend their money on whatever they desire and shelter themselves from the world, but it's like Remander's narrator stops his emotional (re)development there and Eric soon wants much more and goes much further.
Both are part of the oversaturated 'amnesia-fic' category of books, but are the most unique ones of the lot, as far as I've seen (I haven't read Dermaphoria yet, Clevenger fans don't kill me). They both go to places that the reader would never have expected. The reason these books are so successful, in my mind, is that it is the most existential of all meaning-of-life/identity quests.. the dissociation that we all feel at some point magnified to an extreme that the vast majority will never experience.
on page 389 SO CLOSE
funny, i was going ask Steven if MEMENTO had any influence on him as well, and here you beat me to the punch a day before i finish!
so, steven - what inspired TRST? Was Memento any influence? other books and films?
thanks, really enjoying your book, and the web site is very cool too, you've done an excellent job of putting out a lot of information in various forms, and it is fascinating
kudos, bro
richard
EDIT: Also this from 3AM
The UK first edition had green ink, the Canadian hardback had an index, the narrator of my next book has a tiny cameo in the Greek translation and I’ve just added a whole new scene to the Italian translation. There’s more of this stuff to come, along with un-chapters — or negatives — which are part of the story don’t appear bound into any of the books, but they’re out there somewhere…The UK paperback comes along in September and has an index, called an undex, of its own which differs from the Canadian version
A few days ago, I was at work and I was at the cash register. There was this guy, twentysomething, friendly, whatever, who paid with a credit card and the name on the receipt was Ryan Mitchell. I couldn't resist telling him about Raw Shark.. who knows, he might check it out and get a kick out of it.
ok - FINISHED
wow, great book, very innovative, and [B]steven[/B] this comment is for you: you got me, i shed a tear for your writing you bastard, page 416 of the US, and I quote (no spoiler involved here):
"Stay," I said, tears slid down my face, salty in the sun. "If you only ever listen to me this one time, [I]please[/I] just stay."
always the cats or dogs isn't it? great job - i look forward to more discussion
peace,
richard
What's the Murakami quote from in RST?
I think it's Wind-Up Bird Chron., but I'm not sure...
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[QUOTE=moe.ron;1014492](hey laz!)[/QUOTE]
(yo moe.!)
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This book discussion was quite disappointing (my own participation included). It has such potential. For my own lame excuse, I have been away from home (and mostly away from internet access) for the past few weeks. Sorry Steven, I have even been re-reading with your questions in mind. Damn, cross-country traveling.
That's okay Mars,
I wasn't able to be here quite as much as I'd hoped either, so I'll take my share of the blame.
If anyone wants to continue/pick up this chat though, we've just started a Steven Hall Q&A thread over in [URL=http://www.rawsharktexts.com/unspace/viewtopic.php?t=543]Unspace[/URL]. Do drop by and feel free to post/repost anything from this chat. All burning questions answered
S
Thinking about the issue of trust, I implicitly trust the words of Eric 2, as it is his story, and what we find out we are reading is actually Eric 2's account written with the clligraphy brush, or so it seems. As Eric 1 says in the lightbulb fragment part 3, a story is only a fraction of the truth, and so it depends how the story is seen. If it is seen as the story Eric 2 writes with the calligraphy brush, then of course it is no different from the lightbulb fragments, however this brings up the question, what kind of transition takes place between that account and the events that follow? and how are they being delivered to us?
pete