Illegal drugs, Medieval armor

What's the difference in how it affects a person
MDMA vs. Ecstasy vs. GBH?

And how much of each amount does it take to cause; loss of motor functions, paralysis, death?

Thanks!

I can tell you that Ecstasy [b]is[/b] MDMA. Same thing exactly. One is a street name, the other is an abbreviation of the chemical name 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine. It is, in spite of what people will tell you, a form of speed ("Speed" being a generic term for several related drugs.)

GHB is Gamma Hydroxy Butyrate which has [i]some[/i] similar effects to alcohol (from experience, I know that roughly a bottlecap of GHB will have exactly the same effect as drinking 6 - 8 beers in very rapid succession.)*

*On [b]me[/b]. YMMV.

Thanks!
You scare me a little

Now, in SF, it's legal to buy pot. IF you have a marijuana club card, which you get from your doctor. What diseases/ailments would one have in order to warrant getting a marijuana club card?

My ex-roommate had one, because he had ADHD. I was under the impression it was only for more serious illnesses i.e. Cancer, Glaucoma, etc.

Naw, I haven't smoked the crap since I was like 25.

Pot is not prescribed for ADHD so far as I know. Ex-roomie either had a shady doctor, or got a fake script. Neither is that hard to come by. I'm pretty sure the wording of the law is that it is legal to prescribe THC, but not to buy, sell, or posess it (yes, I know that sounds bizarre) - it's been a while, so I may be remembering this wrongly.

Pot generally goes to cancer, glaucoma, advanced HIV, and a few terminal-stage diseases. Seems to me that it might actually be detrimental to ADHD (possibly helpful for OCD, but I don't really know all that much about the chemical causes of either) "Gee, I'm having trouble focussing today; think I'll spark-up a number." See? It just doesn't seem like it would work.

I don't know any doctors who prescribe THC, but I know a few who are connected closely with HIV hospice care. I can check with them if they have any knowledge of the whole pot club thing.

[edit] I scare a domme?

Yep. When it comes to drugs, definately.
I am a giant chickenshit when it comes to that.
I experimented a little when I was in my teens and have stayed away from them since then. Lost a few people to heroin and stuff.
So I managed to remain relatively naieve out of fear.
Now, I find I better learn more, because everyone in SF is on something. Tweakers & crackheads everywhere.
I just found out what a tweaker is about 3 months ago. I am sometimes a bit oblivious.

Oh, but I did find out that you can't do anything if you take too much Vicodin.

Why do people do crystal meth vs. cocaine? Is it the same affect?
WTF is ketamine? How and why do people do it?

[QUOTE=S_Jae-Min]Why do people do crystal meth vs. cocaine? Is it the same affect?
WTF is ketamine? How and why do people do it?[/QUOTE]
Coke: "I feel really really really good in every way imaginable and I'm going to tell you all about it at great length!"

Meth: "Kneel before me, puny human, so that I may tell you at great length that I feel really really really good in every way imaginable!"

Crack: "For the next five minutes, I [b]am[/b] God!"

A subtle, but significant difference. Basically, all the stories you hear are true, if only slightly exagerated. Long-term use of any, besides the numerous health-ravages, will induce paranoia so some degree.

Ketamine is just bad news. Very popular lately among the kiddies. At the risk of just dryly linking you, here ([url]http://www.health.org/nongovpubs/ketamine/[/url]) is a good, non-biassed primer. Animal sedatives are a bad choice of drug when there are so many other possibilities around. I have no personal experience with the Vitamin K.

I haven't done much besides alcohol and cigarettes in many years, btw.

Oh, hell no. I don't think there's anything wrong with you.
You're more adventurous in the chemical lab. I'm more adventurous in the dungeon.
We'd be a great pair of evil scientists. Evil race of meat puppets addicted to whatever you wanna concoct.
I am very grateful for the experiences you have had, so I don't have to have them.
Somehow, I don't think you'll need to be asking me any spanky questions though.

Okay, people seem to prefer one over the other, even though the differences seem slight? Is there a huge price difference?

[QUOTE=S_Jae-Min] I'm more adventurous in the dungeon. [/QUOTE]
I do know my way around a St. Andrews. Never was my big thing, though.

I don't understand the price difference.
Aren't they all basically the same thing?
And, heroin vs. coke. Why do people do both? And don't they cancel each other out? Or do they just intensify each others affects?

I am also curious because my sister got hooked on the crack fer a second. Very scary.

(I do have a sixth sense re: my fellow perverts. And pervert is NOT an insult and certainly does not imply any negative connotations, at least not in my vocab.)

Are Nikes and Reboks any different? Those guys on that side of the room all wear Nikes. [i]Those[/i] guys on [i]that[/i] side of the room wear Reboks. Each side of the room thinks the other is stupid.

Now, the difference in the drugs is sensation, intensity, and duration. Coke and crack are chemically identical, while amphetamines are a different group of chemicals altogether. The sensations are similar enough that they probably can't be adequately described to someone who has not done all of them, but they are very very different.

I've not done smack and coke at the same time. It never made sense to me, but I've known enough people who swore by it. They don't cancel each other out; that much I know.

(Mental note: check thread more often.)

Stimulant differences:

The reasons methamphetamine is so popular among the white working class:

If taken orally (a good sized line dumped in your morning coffee works) meth keeps you going for about 8 hours; a whole work day. Meth lasts the longest when you take it orally, but it's also less intense. If you shoot it or smoke it, it's more intense but lasts for a shorter period of time. Believe me, if you have a lot of meth, a pipe and a garage that needs to be turned into a rumpus room for some fucking reason, smoking meth is the way to do it.

Coke is more of a "social" drug, so is crack in a "let's smoke this until we all get evicted" way--there are no "meth parties" or "meth houses". I was friends with my dealer before he started dealing, (then went to jail, then started dealing again) so that's like Free Meth City USA... we'd stay up for a day or two and just bullshit.

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As for drugs cancelling each other out, I've only found this true in one case: If you smoke a bunch of weed, wait 20 minutes, then spend the entire drive from Reno to Sacramento smoking meth, yeah, you'll forget that you even have weed in you. It's weird!

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Out of all the IV drug users I've had unprotected sex with, I only knew one who shot speedballs (that's coke/heroin). She used two separate rigs (hypodermic needles), one loaded with coke, one with heroin. I believe she shot the heroin first, then shot the coke for the rush.

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Oh, and if you have extremely general questions like "what is ketamine?" there's [url]www.erowid.org[/url] or [url]www.bluelight.nu[/url] .

I need as much information as you're willing to give on a drug that's:
-Extremely Addictive
-Doesn't give much of a high
-Doesn't knock the person out, or anything
-Is unoticable when slipped into a drink

Trammadol. There may be others. Have fun.

Can you tell me more about Termanol? Does it come in a tube? What does it look like, how much does it cost? Side Effects?
This is purely for research for something I'm writing, btw. I'm not about to, really...

Tramadol hydrochloride is marketed under the brand-name Ultram by Ortho-McNeil Pharmaceutical, Inc. It is a small white pill that looks much like an Aspirin in size and appearance (chalky white, etc.) and comes in a bottle. It is prescribed for pain-management (i.e., for chronic pain rather than acute.) Usual dosage is 50 mg. It is fairly addictive. I don't know what the street value of the stuff is, but I imagine that it is not as expensive as Oxycontin or Codeine.

Side effects are not dissimilar to those of any number of prescribed painkillers:

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]I can tell you that Ecstasy [b]is[/b] MDMA. Same thing exactly. One is a street name, the other is an abbreviation of the chemical name 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine. It is, in spite of what people will tell you, a form of speed ("Speed" being a generic term for several related drugs.).[/QUOTE]
i don't know where you are, but in england ecstasy and MDMA are two very different things. for starters, a pill will cost you about £3 whereas a couple of hits of MDMA will cost you £40-50.
the difference between MDMA and pills is that MDMA is what we all wish are pills were- pure. in actual fact, they are either cut with base, speed, acid or smack. so people tend to differentiate between the two, as there is a BIG difference in the effects.

So, what you're essentially saying is England has crap Ecstacy? The active ingredient in "Ecstacy", "E", "X", or whatever you want to call it is 3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA).

You should realize that there is also a big difference in the price and over-all effect of, for example, Pure Pharmaceutical Heroin and what you buy on the street. You can cut your MDMA with whatever you want, drain-cleaner even, and give it a new fancy name, but that doesn't mean you've invented a new drug. Understand?

yes tuffy, i understand. and yes, the ecstacy in england isn't very pure, but it's certainly good enough for most of us.
i can see you really have a substantial knowledge of substances- well done you. i'm not trying to undermine that, merely saying that for PRACTICAL purposes, in england, one MUST specify whether they want pure MDMA, (which comes as a powder) or 'ecstacy' (which comes as a pill).
Ok?

I know what you mean.

In the states, powdered MDMA is sometimes refered to as "Molly". When you buy something as Ecstasy, there's really no guarantee that it's actually MDMA. Anyone with a pill press can make Ecstasy pills, even if it's just a bunch of caffiene or speed.

Molly (powdered MDMA) could be anything, too. In fact it's much easier for Joe the Drug Dealer to pass off weak or bunk MDMA this way, since he doesn't need a pill press, a machine that costs thousands of dollars.

I found this online. It more or less sums up how I feel about the state of youth and their drugs today.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Pot is not prescribed for ADHD so far as I know. Ex-roomie either had a shady doctor, or got a fake script. Neither is that hard to come by. I'm pretty sure the wording of the law is that it is legal to prescribe THC, but not to buy, sell, or posess it (yes, I know that sounds bizarre) - it's been a while, so I may be remembering this wrongly.

Pot generally goes to cancer, glaucoma, advanced HIV, and a few terminal-stage diseases. Seems to me that it might actually be detrimental to ADHD (possibly helpful for OCD, but I don't really know all that much about the chemical causes of either) "Gee, I'm having trouble focussing today; think I'll spark-up a number." See? It just doesn't seem like it would work.

I don't know any doctors who prescribe THC, but I know a few who are connected closely with HIV hospice care. I can check with them if they have any knowledge of the whole pot club thing.

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On the AD/HD front I can speak to that as one who is on stimulant therapy for it.

Ritalin is a methamphetamine, but there is a huge difference between a 10mg pill three times a day and street crank. Quality control and dosing go out the window with street speed.

As far as how it 'feels' I find it reduces anxiety, and focuses the mind in very much the same way my eyeglasses correct my vision. I think clearer, get sidetracked less, etc. It's almost a Zen thing, the way I would have imagined valium would feel. But I've talked to people who don't have AD/HD and a 10mg Ritalin juices them up like a gallon of espresso.

A good book on the subject is "Driven to Distraction." by Edward M. Hallowell, John J. Ratey. A lot of us who were not diagnosed as children have resorted to various self-medications as adults. It's vastly preferable to get with a psychiatrist than to experiment with the street stuff. Or to try and get enough caffeine in you to substitute for the Ritalin or Adderall.

I agree that pot would definitely be the wrong drug to treat ADHD, because it actually makes the brain less focused.

Oh, and on the THC front, my Mom is a retired oncology nurse, and gave lots of Marinol to cancer and AIDS patients. I understand there is a small percentage of patients who dont' respond well to it (and who claim the smoked version is superior), though I can't see where a hospital that won't let you light a Marlboro is going to let you light up a Marley. And most people who are in that bad a shape are not home (unless they've got really good insurance or deep pockets).

Minor correction - Ritalin (Methylphenidate HCL) (C14 H19 N O2) is a relative to the amphetamine (C9 H13 N) family (like a second cousin, once removed), but not a [i]meth[/i]ampetamine. Otherwise you're right on the money.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Minor correction - Ritalin (Methylphenidate HCL) (C14 H19 N O2) is a relative to the amphetamine (C9 H13 N) family (like a second cousin, once removed), but not a [i]meth[/i]ampetamine. Otherwise you're right on the money.[/QUOTE]
I was told by more than one doctor that methylphenidate is in the methamphetamine family, both by the one who writes the script for me and by the one who thought I just wanted to be a speed freak, so that's where that came from.

What I know is I do a better job at my job with Ritalin. I also finished the rough draft of my first novel, an ambition of over 20 years, (now on its 3rd of 30 revisions) since I began stimulant therapy. I can take a nap while Ritalin is in effect if I'm actually tired. Rebound hyperactivity when it wears off is responsible for a lot of my late-night internet activity, but I try to get off the 'puter and go to bed even when I feel my inner child screaming to stay up late.

I know that there are people out there stealing Ritalin and Adderall from their kids who need it for school and putting it in their Scotch so they can party longer and harder.

I know that some SSRIs have been used with some success with AD/HD though I only know one adult who has had good results with it, and in light of Columbine, I worry about the kiddies on Straterra for AD/HD more than I worry about a few college students/adults using Ritalin, Adderal, or Dexadrine to stay up while they booze.

I know that before Ritalin, I had to have a minimum of two 2-liter bottles of Diet Dew in a day to feel like I'd broken even. On my very average 3/10 dose, I can take or leave caffeine.

Sorry if I'm rambling, my meds wore off hours ago and I've had a couple of stiff drinks (see things that make one less focused).

I saw that you have tried 2c-t7. This struck my interest because it is hard to find much anything in the 2C family, and I was wondering you have ever heard of, tried, or seen someone on, 2c-i? If yes, from what you know about it, what did you think about it? And, do you know what is in it? My friends and I did a lot of it when I lived in Arizona, and I'm wondering if my children will be born with three eyes because it is/was experimental.

Hey, you know in Buffy the principal would always explain the deformed faces of the vampires to parents and whatnot by saying that they were a gang on PCP? Why is that? Does something happen to your face?

i did pcp once and the ceiling got real low so i had to crawl, but i don't know about the face.

There've never been any studies (to my knowledge) about anything in the 2c series and birth defects, and they should be in the clear. There were several 2c-t-7 deaths but all of these were massive overdoses brought about by using too much of the drug, most or all of them by snorting it. Contrary to what your DARE counsellor might've said no recreational drug stays in your system forever and cause problems years down the road.

[QUOTE=Spike;345981][b]Illegal drugs:[/b] Not only have I ingested nitrous oxide, methamphetamine, LSD, MDMA, 2c-t7, 5-meo DMT, [B]salvia divinorum[/B], PCP and a grip of recreational pharamaceuticals and some other stuff I can't remember--I also moderate on [url]www.bluelight.nu[/url] . I know a former meth cook, two full-time drug dealers, and three heroin addicts, one who prostitutes herself for smack. I've overdosed on meth and PCP, and I'm currently clean 'cept for coffee and cigarettes. I don't even drink regularly--I have what you would call an addictive personality.
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That shit's legal, nig.

But, yeah...DMT is nice says Danny Carey (drummer from Tool).

How about morphine? How's that?

Not in Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Belgium or North Korea.

[QUOTE=the midas touch;895365]That shit's legal, nig.

But, yeah...DMT is nice says Danny Carey (drummer from Tool).

How about morphine? How's that?[/QUOTE]

Morphine is hell. That's how it is. I did it a handful of times and every time I spent puking for at least one entire day, sometimes two or three days. BLEH.

[QUOTE=Spike;895330]There've never been any studies (to my knowledge) about anything in the 2c series and birth defects, and they should be in the clear. There were several 2c-t-7 deaths but all of these were massive overdoses brought about by using too much of the drug, most or all of them by snorting it. Contrary to what your DARE counsellor might've said no recreational drug stays in your system forever and cause problems years down the road.[/QUOTE]

I was kind of kidding about the birth defects thing, but thank you. Mostly I was wondering if there was anything in there that's going to give me cancer or something, but you're right, it's not in my system anymore and I probably shouldn't worry.

PCP doesn't do anything to your face... but in teh 1st Terminator movie when the Terminator punches though a windshield without "feeling" it the police say he's just a guy on PCP, which is supposed to give you superhuman strength. That's not really true, and they said the same thing about marijuana in the 1930s. I'm sure there have been cases where a guy on PCP kicks out a window of a patrol car or breaks a pair of handcuffs, but mostly it's a convenient excuse for cops to beat on you.

I'm kind of not a drug person anymore, despite my being on Vicodin for a good month and a half as of this writing.

The whole spontaneous abortion, heroin quack. Is that true?

Also, where'd you learn all that stuff about armour?

[URL=http://throwawayyourtv.com/2006/12/how-cocaine-is-made.html]How cocaine is made.[/URL]

Is that true?
Geh-ross.

I think they use kerosene. Gasoline has a lot of stuff added which makes it a less efficient solvent.

Who invented chain mail?

[QUOTE=corellion;917782]Who invented chain mail?[/QUOTE]

Chain mail is basically all based on Ponzi.