Pedophiles
If anyone can tell me any interesting medical details about Pedophiles, I am very interested. Also, if you have had any contact with one, and got to understand their point of view of their 'sickness' if you will. Do they feel guilty after orgasim as I have heard, do they feel what they do is right. I realize there may be different opinions for different cases, but any first hand accounts or second or third hand accounts are very much welcome. Can't find much info on this area, and i don't know how I can have a Pedophile as a narrator without understanding on some level where they are coming from.
Thanks very much.
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i heard that recent kevin bacon movie was really good. the woodsman i think it was called?
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thanks both of you. I'll check them out!
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This isn't exactly medical but I red a lot of recent articels that many Pedophiles are into Star Trek or Star Wars - there's a lot of stuff out there if you do a google search
I know more than I ever wanted to know on the subject.
Read [I]Lolita[/I]. And watch a pedophile at work. I don't know how Nabakov nailed the seductive power of self-pity so well, and I'm certainly not making accusations. But you are not going to get any better insight than is offered by that novel. I've read tons of psych lit on the subject. But [I]Lolita[/I] is to live it. As in any form of abusive behavior, it is always the victim's fault. The key is getting the victim to believe he or she is the evil one, the one who makes it necessary for the abuser to do what he does.
I hope jase doesn't mind me quoting a line from his story Bang, but "an alcoholic isn't someone who can't stop drinking. An alcoholic is somone who can't stop making excuses." That about sums it up.
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I actually considered posting this ultra-depressing LA Times article on sex crimes investigation back in April or May, but I decided against it. This is some pretty evil shit to have to do for work... at least in jobs where you deal with death you know that it's an inevitablity of human life.
Also check out [url]www.pervertedjustice.com[/url] and [url]www.baiting.org[/url] (baiting.org is a humor site, but these are real people they're uh... fucking with).
Sifting Clues to an Unsmiling Girl
By Maggie Farley, Times Staff Writer
TORONTO — She is perhaps 12 now, her hair still light blond, but she doesn't smile anymore. Over the last three years, she has appeared in 200 explicit photos that have become highly coveted collectibles for pedophiles trolling the Internet. They have watched her grow up online — the hair getting longer, the look in her eyes growing more distant.
"She's a collector's item," says Det. Sgt. Paul Gillespie of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit. "I know somebody out there could lead us to her. But right now, the only ones who can see her face are the wrong ones."
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To his shame and frustration, all he could do was watch as the photos kept appearing and the usual tricks to trace her failed. So he decided to try something different. A computer expert digitally erased the girl from the photos, and in February, Gillespie asked the public to help identify the locations: a hotel room, a fountain, an elevator and a video arcade.
Moments after the pictures appeared on a Toronto television station, the tips began to come, and caller after caller identified a Disney World hotel in Florida. A scan of hotel records gave the police a few clues. They believe some of the pictures were taken by a relative on a family vacation and the rest were taken at a residence.
It was a rare breakthrough for Gillespie and his team at the Child Exploitation Section of the Sex Crimes Unit. A 25-year veteran of the Toronto Police Service, Gillespie is a tall, mustached man with intense energy, blue language and a willingness to push boundaries — including teaming up with Microsoft's Bill Gates to pioneer a tracking system that became available this month to any police unit investigating child pornography.
But in the case of the Disney World girl, it hasn't been enough. Now Gillespie wants to do something radical: release a photo of her face. But aside from worrying that it would violate her privacy, he must weigh whether it would put her more at risk than letting the abuse continue while they search for other leads.
In another case, an abuser confessed to police that he'd been so convinced that his victim's mother had figured out what was going on, he hired a fellow pedophile to kill her and the girl in exchange for more pictures and sex toys. What would happen if the offender saw the police broadcasting the Disney World girl's picture and expected that he was going to be caught?
"Could harm be caused? Absolutely," says the 45-year-old Gillespie. "Would it be more harm than would be caused for the rest of her life if we didn't do anything? We don't know. We're trying to determine the best thing to do."
Gillespie has been on that knife's edge since the Child Exploitation Section was created four years ago. The Toronto police seized more than 2 million pictures and videos of child sexual abuse in 2003. So far, the world's law agencies have identified fewer than 500 of the children.
"We're doing a terrible job," he says in his office at police headquarters. "Five hundred kids of 50,000? What is that?"
Their work is a daily sojourn to the underworld. Gillespie has a team of 10 men and six women who spend hours in front of their computers, extracting leads, writing warrants and sifting photos for clues. The payoff is the day they get to kick down a door and take the "bad guy" away. The mood is light and the humor often off-color to ease the horror.
On one wall is a "Star Trek" poster with investigators' faces substituted for the Starship Enterprise crew. But even that alludes to a dark fact of their work: All but one of the offenders they have arrested in the last four years was a hard-core Trekkie.
Det. Constable Warren Bulmer slips on a Klingon sash and shield they confiscated in a recent raid. "It has something to do with a fantasy world where mutants and monsters have power and where the usual rules don't apply," Bulmer reflects. "But beyond that, I can't really explain it."
That is one of the biggest challenges of the Child Exploitation Section's work. They need to get inside the minds of the victims and the perpetrators to find them, but there is only so far they can — or want to — go.
Sitting in front of two computers in a blue suit and gold tie, Det. Constable Paul Krawczyk starts the day as a 13-year-old girl. Within minutes of his entering a chat room on education, and without asking for them, men are e-mailing nude pictures. "It's always the same," he says. "After two minutes, here come the body parts."
Sometimes, he can set up a meeting with a likely offender within half an hour; others take months to be drawn out.
By lunchtime, he is a pedophile conversing with a fellow "pedo" on the other side of the world about their shared interest. "R u active?" he asks, meaning do you abuse kids. "Yea," the message comes back. "Seven [years old] and 2."
The pedo describes his exploits in unprintable detail and eventually asks to exchange pictures. They negotiate for a while, and the other guy sends a dozen photos that seem to be culled from other websites.
Krawczyk says they will try to save any kid, no matter where the child is. But this guy is very far away, and none of the images seems to be the kind of homemade product that indicates active exploitation.
About a third of child-porn collectors are also hands-on abusers, the police say, and almost all of them are related to or otherwise known by their victims. Krawczyk brushes him off with a "Not good enuf" and moves on.
Internet-savvy pedophiles have managed to stay ahead of investigators by using private networks, file-sharing software and surfing anonymously on public wireless systems.
One night in 2003, a frustrated Gillespie e-mailed Gates asking for help creating a database that could combine data from around the country — and the world — to help track down offenders and their victims.
To his surprise, Gates responded. After a year and a half of collaboration, Microsoft Canada and the Toronto police unveiled the Child Exploitation Tracking System this month to help investigators share information.
The system is designed to enable police in any country to plug into the system and cross-check data, including names, Internet aliases and the digital signature of every captured photograph. The software is free to any police team working to stop child pornography.
"It's important, because when we see a new series of photos online, that child could be anywhere," Gillespie said. "We need to cooperate and not duplicate each other's work. We just traced a toddler to a particular neighborhood in Spain through a subway ticket in his picture."
Interpol sends Gillespie any photo series suspected to have originated in North America. Clothing styles, writing or even the shape of a wall socket offer clues to locale.
Gillespie hopes the tracking system will not only link the often-overlapping investigations around the world, but that it will save his team heartache by letting the computers do some of the dirty work of sifting through the photos by their digital signatures.
"We arrested a bad guy last week," he said. "There were 1,000 images on his hard drive. Can I pay you enough to sit at this computer and look at every image? There are babies raped and sodomized with romantic music playing in the background. You are never the same person after you see something like that. It's soul-destroying."
The team is not allowed to send porn but can access new series of images the way college students swap music files, through programs such as Napster and Kazaa. There are thousands to sort through, with new homemade images appearing every day. For hours at a time, Krawczyk looks at pictures of abuse that the average person could not even imagine. His immersion in this sordid world doesn't leave him unaffected.
"Sometimes you just want to take a shower after doing this," Krawczyk says. "Sometimes you want to throw the computer across the room. But when we do get a bad guy, it gives you great satisfaction. He wouldn't have been caught any other way."
Of the unit's 37 arrests last year, 26 resulted from their undercover work.
The banter is tough in the room, with graphic discussions of what they would like to do to the "bad guys" if they could get their hands on them. But it masks an emotional investment in the search and rescue of children who often remind them of their own.
Bulmer, a goateed 16-year veteran with bleached spiky hair, speaks longingly of finding an 11-year-old girl he has tracked since 2002. After extensive analysis of online videos of her, the team has pinpointed her location to a city in the American Northwest and handed the case to the local police.
"Why can't they find her?" he asks. "Give me a plane ticket and I'll go there and find her myself."
Almost every investigator in the office has a talisman to ward off the ghosts that haunt the workday. For Gillespie, it's a Christmas card from the mother of a 3-month-old boy who had been raped by his uncle, thanking Gillespie and encouraging him to keep going even when he wants to give up. Gillespie tells a bit of the child's story, then swivels his chair to face the window when his eyes begin to well up. He turns back, recomposed.
"I look at that sometimes," he says simply. "It makes me feel good."
Krawczyk sometimes sneaks a look at a framed quote from Nietzsche above his computer: "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." But nothing purges the taint of the day like the way his son runs to hug him when he walks through the door at night, he says.
Other things are not so easy to shake. Gillespie says he has nightmares about the young girls beyond their reach. While shopping at Wal-Mart, he sometimes finds himself staring at children, thinking that he has seen them online. Krawczyk says that after three arrests of Boy Scout leaders in Canada in the last six months, he won't let his son join the local troop. Bulmer says he walks down the street looking at other men, thinking, yep, he looks like a pedophile. Yep, that guy is one for sure.
"You have to shake yourself out of it," Bulmer says. "It would be great if you could just tell by looking. But you can't, and that's what makes it so creepy. It could be your next-door neighbor or your teacher."
Their hard-won successes keep team members on the right side of sanity. One day last year, they discovered pictures of a 6-year-old girl cowering in a dog cage, her gaze perplexed and despairing. In another, her hands are bound, a hunting knife is pressed to her abdomen, and messages are written on her body in a red substance meant to look like blood: "Hurt me." "Kill me." "I'm a slut." Her face is flushed purple. She is crying.
"These were some of the most horrific images we had seen," Gillespie says. "We dropped everything to look for her."
They were lucky to find a few clues in the pictures: an orange wristband from an amusement park, her school uniform, a logo from a T-shirt. They found the amusement park in North Carolina, then contacted uniform manufacturers to narrow down which schools in the area used that particular pattern.
"About 36 hours after we got the pictures, we pinned it down to a certain school," Gillespie recalls. "The FBI showed her pictures of her face to the principal, and bam, they rescued her."
The confessed offender, Brian Tod Schellenberger, has been arraigned and faces up to 30 years in prison. His victims are undergoing intensive counseling, the first step in the long process of recovery. Nearly everyone involved in the case was in tears when they heard news of the arrest, Gillespie says.
They haven't been as fortunate in the case of the Disney World girl, squeezing every possible lead until little was left. Bill McGarry, a detective with expertise in graphics, removed the girl's images from photos and digitally restored the scene. He enhanced tiny background objects to pick up anything that could become a clue. Others on the team sent images of flowers and trees in some pictures to horticultural experts to help pinpoint the geographic area and talked to brick manufacturers all over North America to glean clues from a wall in a photo. Anything. Everything.
As a result, they have narrowed the area down to section of the northeastern United States, and now the investigation is in American authorities' hands. They have circulated sanitized photos in U.S. law enforcement circles that specialize in missing children.
If that leads nowhere, Gillespie says, the investigators must turn to the last resort: showing the victim's face to the public.
"I know somebody out there knows her," he says.
If they decide to release her photo, they must be ready to rescue her immediately, to get her into the care of an experienced counselor and to deal with the emotional fallout affecting her family and community.
"The first thought has to be care for the victim. It can't be an afterthought," Gillespie says. "Physically rescuing her is one thing. Rescuing her emotionally could take years."
As Gillespie speaks, a detective steps into the office to announce that police on the West Coast think they have found the girl Bulmer has been seeking for three years. A swell of hope moves across the room, then ebbs.
"We've been here so many times before," Gillespie says. "We're not going to get excited until they make an arrest." A day later, they will learn that it was a false lead.
But in the meantime, Bulmer allows himself to lightly linger on the possibility that the girl would finally be safe.
"If they find her, I'd like to go down and meet her," he says, one hand placed protectively, unconsciously, on his computer screen. "I would say, 'I am sorry we didn't find you sooner.' "
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I watched a movie at my old job that included interviews with pedophiles that were in jail, three men as I remember. The convicts discussed how they would find children and the steps that they took to seduce them/gain power over them. The movie was called "Saving God's Children" and it was made by Maryville Academy/Catholic Chairites of Chicago. I would recommend it because of the actual video interviews of pedophile explaining themselves. The one problem is there might not be any way to get this film. The only other thing I would suggest is researching training for working with highly tramuatized youth. Generally anything in that area of the psych field will have relevant info of child abuse, both sexual and physical.
I would actually not recommend Lolita. I have read it and I have also worked with sexually abused children. I think that the difference here is between a literary fantasy world and real acts of abuse. Maybe it is good as an intro, but I wouldnt recommend it as a final word on the subject
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Misunderstood.

When I was fifteen I encountered a pederast.
My friend of sixteen who I didn't know was a homosexual, was dating, this guy My mother allowed this friend to live with us at the time because his parents kicked him out. This was the first time I knew something strange was going on because they were really nice people. Then a week later, my friend who we'll call Dave had a brand new Nokia cellphone. Being relatively on his own, I knew he couldn't afford a phone or the plan he was on so I started getting more and more suspicious.
A month or two later "Dave" wants to go to the movies, but he wants to invite his "friend" whom I've never met. I didn't want to because I didn't really like people in general and had some social disorders. But I eventually gave in and the guy was 26 years-old. Again, I knew something strange was afoot. The guy had a really nice truck. It was a brand new Ford F-150 if I remember correctly so we didn't have to walk to the theatre like we normally did. And this part is absolutely true which in itself is a pretty ironic situation: we went to see "Dude, Where's My Car?" and when the movie finished the brand new Ford was missing from the parking lot. I asked, "Dude where's your car?" which probably wasn't as funny as it sounds because he gave me a look like he was ready to beat me. He said, "That's not #@$%ing funny!"
I didn't know the guy so more than anything, I was just disappointed that I had to walk home, but in hindsight I'm glad since the guy was probably trying to figure out a way of getting me naked. We walked home and the next week we all went out again. This time I had my little brother Tom with me who was thirteen at the time. The guy had a loner car. It was another truck and we went to his apartment. His apartment was kind of minimalist and also kind of a hole. It was above a house and you could only access the apartment door by the fire escape.
Inside the apartment there is a monster of a computer with thousands, literally thousands of Sony DVD-R 120 minute DVDs and about fifteen cardboard boxes filled with jewel cases. A pretty sophisticated prosumer camera was hooked up via AV cables to the back of the PC. Before I go any further let me say that my brother and I were both OK and the experience didn't psychologically damage us or anything. I remember sitting around and watching Rio Bravo with the guy and having a pretty long discussion with him about the acting talents of Dean Martin. I could see how this guy would be able lure some innocent kid to his crummy apartment.
Dave moved out and a week later I found out he was gay. I immediately knew that his friend was more than just a friend. They ran off to Hamilton together (I live in Toronto) which is kind of like the New Jersey of Canada. I never heard from Dave again, but a girl he was dating got pregnant and the kid is probably his. She bugs me every so often for his whereabouts and I keep saying "I don't know, but it's probably better your kid never meets him." It's not because I'm a homophobe , but there were other things about Dave that weren't great traits for a father which I don't care to mention.
Two years later I found out Dave's friend was sent to prison for fifteen years on pedophilia charges. It turns out he ran a series of child pornography websites. If you ask me, fifteen years isn't enough for a guy like that.
I hope this story might be helpful. I usually tell it pretty comically, but you'd need a lot more info for that version of the story and this is already a pretty hefty thread.
There is a recent book by John Connolly that is based on Paedophiles called The Unquiet, it is soon to be released in the US, even if you dont go out and read it, check out the glossary at the end.
Also, The End of Alice by A M Homes, is about a paedophile in Prison.
pretty serious thread and i really should be working on my story, but i know that if i do make a mental note here and now, i'll just never get back to this like so many other threads forgotten in lost time.. i know considerably less than most, thank god. but this is what i know
a number of years ago, one of my favorite rap artists was charged with 67 counts of child molestation and rape--of their own two year old baby girl. I didnt want to believe it. the artist, so energetic, so upbeat, his virtuoso uncanny, paralleled to pretty much no other artist, he couldnt have been capable of something so heinous. not THAT heinous. but when you are charged with 67 counts, the chances are the chargers have at least something on you. the whole trial burned through quickly, confessions and photographic proof, with the two of them serving three hundred years collectively. neither will ever get out and will probably one of these days meet demise within the barriers of their holding.
as for his remorse.. always a self proclaimed atheist whose favorite movies included cheesy horror and he often cited american psycho and is now a born again christian and reveres god, reading the bible that is far more wicked than even the most nefarious productions of contemporary man.
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different story..
a number of years ago, i had a friend who went overseas. he was newly married and he and his wife were inseparable. Til he went to fight for his country. she was so proud of him. they talked all the time. but seven months separated was hard--no physical contact. when he got back, man they were both of them so damned excited. coulda made you cry. shortly there after, she wanted a baby and he absolutely refused, said he couldnt have one. that they made him uncomfortable. their marriage didnt last but a few more months. after a while, just his touch made her skin crawl and after a while she couldnt stand the sight of him and in short time she couldnt stand the thought of him. the whole story unfolded one piece at a time. her love for him progressively decreased one day at a time. turns out that he and his brother were molested as kids. his family secrets included a brother, pretty near adulthood at the time, who had been in trouble for child abuse. as for my friend, it came out that he thought about kids and he always felt extremely uncomfortable around them. he just doesnt trust himself, quite simply. whether or not his moral standing will ever degenerate is unknown--will the voices ever get to him, will he change his mind against his convulsions ? i couldnt even speculate. sucks, that it comes from somewhere, that most that abuse were themselves abused. just not fair. but in any case, i wouldnt trust him around my nieces and nephews..
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[QUOTE=ckinni;649704]If anyone can tell me any interesting medical details about Pedophiles, I am very interested. Also, if you have had any contact with one, and got to understand their point of view of their 'sickness' if you will. Do they feel guilty after orgasim as I have heard, do they feel what they do is right. I realize there may be different opinions for different cases, but any first hand accounts or second or third hand accounts are very much welcome. Can't find much info on this area, and i don't know how I can have a Pedophile as a narrator without understanding on some level where they are coming from.
Thanks very much.[/QUOTE]
You can not possibly understand or sympathize with a child abuser. They are manipulative, destructive, mentally unstable sociopaths who are unable to be reformed in any reasonable way. They are, and always will be, dangerous and un-treatable.
You could potentially do some research into serial killers who had this issue and were more open about it. There is nothing a child molester can do or say that can be trusted though. Everything they do and say is derived from their sickness and probably based in lies.
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does anyone know if it's still considered kiddie porn if someone uses photoshop to [i]creatively[/i] enhance two pictures into something else? I mean, I'd assume it obviously is, but it seems like a bit of a grey area. anyone know the laws against such things or even where to look for them?
just covering all the bases
also, are kiddie porn laws all federal laws or do they got all different ones for each state?
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;966795]does anyone know if it's still considered kiddie porn if someone uses photoshop to [i]creatively[/i] enhance two pictures into something else? I mean, I'd assume it obviously is, but it seems like a bit of a grey area. anyone know the laws against such things or even where to look for them?[/QUOTE]Yes it's still very much illegal.
My ex boyfriend's dad was a prison officer, his friend was sent to jail for being part of some child porn ring, my boyfreind somehow got this guy's computer and there was some disturbing stuff on it. Not totally naked kids or anything but things like kindergarten group photos, and then a couple of selected children from the group had been cropped and enlarged, there was also pictures of that Culkin kid from home alone, you know that one of him with his hands on his face going "ahhhhhh". I found it so sick how he had taken these innocent images and must have found something sexual about it.
I am an early childhood teacher and we have to be so aware of people who try and take photos of the children when we are out on trips and stuff, its terrible.



I don't know if that is a real pedophile, but the first thing I thought about was Humbert Humbert, so yeah, you might find some insight or at least a good way to make your pedophile narrator loveable in Nabokov's Lolita.