HEROES R US... and watchmen

Which means - if you go along with my theory - Rorshach becomes the number one villain. haha I think that she starts the book thinking this. But she really comes into her own and realizes that being a superhero is who she is. Her first mission back, saving the people in the burning building, she realizes this.
I'm not going to say that the Comedian is a good guy, but I can understand his viewpoint. And if you adopt his viewpoint, you can see why he is the way he is. He realized that everything that they (The Watchmen) do is futile. People are bad, they do bad things. And a group of a few people dressing up in costumes is never going to change that no matter how many petty thieves they take out (which is all they were really doing before the the Superhero Act or whatever it was called). He fights for what is good and it all gets shit on. So he decides to join the masses. (That's all in his head and he's a little psychotic so of course he over does it)

I'm not sure that he's a pushover. He just sees the inevitable outcome. If he interferes, it still comes true. Don't know for sure though.
Rorschach's world is too black and white. There is no gray area - only right and wrong. Imagine having to live your life like that. And it's all skewed to his way of thinking... Definitely not a hero. lol

But that still doesn't make Ozy the hero.

She enjoys wearing a skimpy costume and beating up "bad guys" how does this make her a hero?
So obviously he's not a hero and you can even say he's a criminal.
You definitely have to read Watchmen again. First off when he's still Jon Osterman his father who was a watchmaker tells him to forget about watchmaking and become a scientist, so he does. Then when the government becomes aware of his super powers they take advantage of him being an American and he does whatever he's told. A man with his power he was pretty damn complacent about it and pretty heartless towards humans.

Yeah Rorschach is not a hero at all.

I think that just because these Watchmen ran around in costumes calling themselves "heroes" because they were beating up the "bad" guys doesn't make them heroes. They are sitting around in tights and underwear, looking for trouble. A true hero is going to step in at a moment of crisis without thinking about what they are doing, without seeking pleasure or reward for being heroic, and most importantly no one can really choose to become a hero. Sure the actions they choose can lead them to become a hero but you can't sit around waiting for someone to get mugged then decide to step in so you can call yourself a hero.

I wasn't trying to prove anybody was a hero with what I wrote. I was just putting my opinions on each person.

Silk Spectre learned that being a "crime fighter" is what she wanted to be. She slowly realizes this. That was my only point about her. Not that she was a hero.

And I pretty much agree 100% with the last paragraph of your post above Jaz.

Sorry, I had just got home and off the phone with my mom and I probably didn't read that part of your post right. But you're right Laurie does end up enjoying kicking butt.

Butbutbut... There are no real heroes. Heroes are merely constructs designed to sell more and more Joseph Campbell books.

Seriously, heroes are always intangible collections of ideals cobbled into a storyline to inspire or reassure, never real flesh and blood living people. Show me a hero and I'll show you a flaw swept under the rug for the sake of maintaining the myth.

I agree with you. It was really hard writing this damn paper on what I thought a hero was.

oh yeah? How about Chuck Fuckin' Yeager!?

Alca Fuckin' Holic!

It was some time since I read "Watchmen" but isn't there a paragraph somewhere in the original Niteowls journal where he calls themselves "Nazis, perverts, mentally ill" etc?

And Ozy doesn't even sacrifice himself for the greater good, he sacrifices other people to save more people from a greater threat (and very calculated making his power bigger at the same time), but, if I remember correctly - the threat is misreading the problems Dr Manhattan has reading the future as a nuclear war. And that was in fact created by himself to fool Dr Manhattan?

Personally, I think the problem with the concept of a "hero" is that we see that as someone without a flaw. And we can't even create a concept of an omnipotent being, a God, without flaws - without interjecting that "God moves in mysterious ways" so we can't really understand how it all makes sense, or making the "Free will" case, which forces the God to be passive and not interfere, and act in a way that may look indifferent.

For me, a hero is someone willing to sacrifice themselves, or risk something personal, for some greater ideal that's not based in hatred, fear or vengeance (But that makes it very subjective I guess). Sure I love revenge-storys and think it's really sweet to see C Eastwood punish bad buys etc but I can't see them as IRL "heroes" even if I could probably sympathize with them had it occured IRL. But not see them as heroes.

That's an awesome response. I agree with you definition of a hero it's pretty much the paper I wrote.

Also has anyone seen Hero with Dustin Hoffman? I recently watched it again and it's such a great concept of who a hero can be.

I'm still waitin for a flaw.

Alrighty then!

You had Professor K Hall? I’m on the last day of her class now.. What a class!! I’m mentally exhausted.

Yeah, her class is a lot tougher than it initially seems. She's awesome though. I wanted to take her critical thinking class but didn't get the chance to.