Guts Reactions (Not about fainting)
I was talking to a female friend of mine about Fight Club (the movie, she hadn't seen it, but was interested) and the topic turned to one about Chuck, and his work. I told her that he had a short story he read on tour that made a buncha people faint, and how its in his newest novel, Haunted. She wanted to read it, even if just to see if she could. I'm just wondering, from a female's perspective, what the reaction is to the story. Especially with the wax thing, because obviously a woman wouldn't do that...at least not exactly that. Is it well recieved, is it as powerful, disturbing, etc?
I don't mean to limit and label people's responses in terms of their gender. I know many females that were interested by Fight Club, though one could say it is generally a "men's" movie. I was wondering if the same applies to Guts.
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Yeah, I know the carrot and the prolapse could affect anyone, but not having had the experience surrounding the icidents, I wondered how women would respond. It wasn't like the dude was just swimming and got caught in the pump.
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I'm not assuming anything, since that's not my area of expertise.
Does anyone even know of females who have read the book?
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I have two female friends that read the Guts and they thought it was funny and grotesque at the same time.
I read Guts with a female friend and her response was laughing at my response (a lot of hair pulling and not wanting to continue but doing it anyway).
I find many people use comedy kinda the wrong way sometimes, if they're disturbed by something (especially films) they start joking about it. I'm not saying the women the above poster mentioned was necessarily doing that, but I find it very...disrespectful, in a sense, when I'm at a horror film, for example, and at the most dramatic point, when the audience is on the edge of their seats, someone blocks out the film and makes some stupid comment about it, expecting a laugh. It just kinda kills the mood. I'm figuring any person, male or female, would find it gross and disturbing, but have/would females be among the fainters?
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I'm editing this in to clarify a bit. Obviously, there are some comedic elements in Guts. I started laughing when I got to "God forbid my folks see my dick". But right before that, I was light-headed and feeling like the runs were coming. Laughing at the comedy wouldn't be peculiar, but laughing at the snake part, or the part about the wax bouncing around in the bladder, that would show someone's not recieveing it in a way that would result in a sickening feeling.
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I read Guts. It was pretty...grotesque. Very good story, but incredibly disturbing. I honestly don't believe I have any different opinion about it than a guy would have.
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All the fainters were male, right?
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When I was in Ireland my cousin, female, my age, found it pretty disgusting. Hand over mouth, "ew" kind of shit.
Hated-the-story disgusting, or 'this is terrible, but still great writing' disgusting?
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I don't have a penis (by the way I'm female not a male who has no penis) but I still put myself in the position of all the characters in Guts. It is a sickening story but in a fascinating 'tell me more' kinda way. I don't think it makes much of a difference if the reader is male or female but I can only speak for myself. I guess there are both males and females that are more squeamish than other males and females.
I was listening to the Chuck readings (from the CDs in my Chuck parcel that I put on my ipod) the other day on the bus and I was sitting next to this old biddy who had half her shopping leaning on me and Guts was playing. The situation made me smirk because it was so mundane yet I was being told this story that no one else could hear and I just kept thinking about the old biddy who would probably collapse if she overheard.
Haha, I had the same thought sitting in the student center at my school. Everyone's hanging around going about their mundane, redundant day. I had Guts playing on my iPod, from Chuck's CD, and just thinking, "If I could tap this into the loudspeaker, even at a low volume, I could just imagine the choas it would cause."
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women also has urethras. have you ever heard of "feminine urethral masturbation?" it's pretty much the same as guys putting things down their dickhole to jack off. not exactly the same. sort of. there are a few fetish sites (that im not going to look up for the sake of this discussion) in which women have strectched their pissholes up to 2" in diameter with dildoes.
one of my lady friends is the "purest," most "sacred" person i know besides some mormon guy that doesnt know what masturbation is, even though hes 18. hes sitting next to me, if you want to say anything to him. anywho. i had this girl read the entirety of the haunted, and i made sure she read guts and the director denial story with me around. she crossed her legs and squirmed a lot during guts and wouldnt talk for a few hours. during the other story, she vomited a little in her mouth.
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From my initial post:
"...with the wax thing, because obviously a woman wouldn't do that...at least not exactly that."
Yes, they can do what you're talking about, but its not the same as a guy doing it to themselves because you have the whole package in one tube. Plus, I don't think girls would consider that to themselves when reading the story because it is a different setup for them. I was just wondering how they'd relate to the male aspect of it.
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I'm female.
When I read it, I didn't react so much to the physical aspect of it as to the "invisible carrot." Female or male, getting caught in the act or having to own up to it would (I imagine) evoke such a horrible, guilty, [I]slimy[/I] emotion in oneself. We all have "invisible carrots" of some sort, and Guts made me think of mine. Reading the rest of the story, feeling that shame feeling, it blew my mind. In a good way. Guts was the first bit of Palahniuk work I'd read, and after that I went on a rampage and read all of his work.
If I had a penis, I think the story would stick out in my mind more because of what actually happens to the guys.
I was listening to it on my iPod at school and making strange faces, so I lent my friend the book. She read Guts three times in a row and said it got better every time, again because of the emotions called up.
[I]Haunted[/I] is the only book which has ever given me nightmares.
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Oooh thanks. I'll check it out.
It sounds really trippy.
I'm a female and thought it hilarious, I reread it and reread it, making other people read it... I loved it, it's so morbid and wrong, but hilarious! That kinda thing doesn't really bother me at all
[QUOTE=karbunkle;944572]go get House of Leaves[/QUOTE]
I hear alot about this. Anyone fill me in? Author, genre, any good? Are Nate and Karbunkle the same person?
Bitches just can't look past a couple of scabs on your gentitals..
[QUOTE=rocknroll_lives;984267]I'm a female and thought it hilarious, I reread it and reread it, making other people read it... I loved it, it's so morbid and wrong, but hilarious! That kinda thing doesn't really bother me at all[/QUOTE]
I had the same reaction. Loved it!
-Male
and I didn't really have any reaction to it.
Thought it was gross of course, but nothing much more.
The only part I laughed at is when he is checking out at the grocery store looking like he's going to have his fun night with an entire cake.
I had two female friends and my mother read it. One of my friends decided to steal the book after reading that and the other read it and laughed my mother was disgusted by it, didnt really find the comedy.
I am female.
It was gross in the way that Chuck had planned it to be gross-shocking in the way he wanted to be. You don't have to have a penis to feel those elements.
of the female persuasion...
so the first time i was even introduced to chuck's work, my ex read me the part we are speaking of out loud. he is obsessed with chucks work, so he read the whole part to me, and i thought for about a second... and i then said, "give me that fucking book" and i sat down in the corner of his room, and read the entire book.
of course it was disturbing, but disturbing in the way where it makes you think...
i fully enjoy the book... so yea
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;984274]I hear alot about this. Anyone fill me in? Author, genre, any good? Are Nate and Karbunkle the same person?[/QUOTE]
Mark Danielewski, Suspense/Horror, ridiculously good
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three of my female friends (that i know of..) have read haunted. one said guts was hilarious, but she was greatly disturbed by exodus. the second said it was really good but disturbing. the third was my woman and she thought that chuck guy was fucking sick. she read through the rest of his books and she [i]gets[/i] him now and loves his books, but that guts story was a little too much for her. the fucked up thing about that particular story is i had her read it to me one night and told her nothing about it. this was back when the workshop just started and chucked offered guts "early" as an example of submerging the "i" in the beginning of a narrative. anywho, when jen read it aloud to me, she got to the vitamin and stopped reading, offered a disgusted look and said that guy is fucking sick. hahaha. the rest is history. kind of hard starting with chuck via that story. fans werent too appalled. new readers, though, i figure may be taken aback had they not read survivor and im. my thought, anyway.
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I'm a real nice guy, loyal to his family and friends, like to help old people and I play well with children, but there is a very dark side to the moon. A predilection for the psychopathic, I have a history of violence I would like to herald always as ancient history. But some guys just wont listen, just wont let go.
I found Guts really disgusting, interesting and awesome, but my friends think its popy hardcore. does somone want to try it out?
[QUOTE=bigshrimpn;984274]I hear alot about this. Anyone fill me in? Author, genre, any good? Are Nate and Karbunkle the same person?[/QUOTE]
yep, I use the two names to give [color=blue]H[/color]OL twice the advertising push!
When I read it, I had that visceral reaction most women get when they see a video of a man getting kicked in the balls.
There's sympathy there, there's a reaction, but it's almost muted. You laugh, only because you're uncomfortable, and are trying to find a female equivalent to it. The prolapse part was something that I think me and my guy friend both reacted to similarly, with matched "AUGH!?...what the FUCK!??" ...s.
"I could tell by the tone of his voice that he was trying to make me see his point, but really...all I could see was the big fucking knife."
It is going to be different depending on the person.
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I'm a girl, and I found it gross, but not disturbing on any sort of deep level.
I'm female and i really don't see why it was made such a big deal. i mean don't get me wrong it was disterbing but nothing near faiting worthy, and i'm a pretty squeemish person.
I'm reading that now. i havn't gotten to the scary stuff yet though lol
I felt pains in my groin when I read the part when he got the wax stuck deep down there. And I am very self consious now about where I swim I am scared to death of those sucky things....
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I read it and I thought it was gross, but not something really disturbing that I could imagine myself fainting. I was kind of surprised when I heard so many people fainted, I think there's some things I've read by Chuck that were at least equally as disturbing to me. I had read a lot of Chuck's other works before I read it so I was expecting it to be shocking. I don't think there'd be a huge difference from gender, but it's interesting people might have different reactions.
I kind of have to agree with the whole having to have masterbaited with a penis to get the full feeling of Guts but while as a chick...I do have a butt and a colon and was pretty freaked after reading Guts...with or without a penis...it's scary
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Looks like Spunck's life is dull and pointless.
A female friend of mine heard about the book and insisted I summarized "Guts" for her even before she read the book. She seemed interested and disturbed, yet not quite shocked, for the first part. Apparently she had already heard the story, up until the part of the Saint getting his intestines sucked out. But she hadn't heard what happened next, what with the chewing through said intestines and all. That part disturbed her.
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I think I reacted with a pretty typical grossed out/intrigued/amused reaction.
I read it out loud to a (female) friend once, and she just laughed, then I was done asked if we had anything good to eat.
I'm a female and I was pretty disturbed by Guts. I mean, you don't need to have a penis to understand that the further you go, the less chances you have to come back. And when I read the "prollapse" part... I started coughing like if the word was trapped in my throat.
So, I plenty think that a girl can understand and feel Guts.
I read it out loud to a (female) friend once, and she just laughed, then I was done asked if we had anything good to eat.
That's adorable. Haha 
I'm a lady and I was traumatized but couldn't stop reading. I was alone at night when I read the intestines part (not that it's really that much creepier at night, but no one was around to help me chill the fuck out.)
The other parts, like the piece of wax, were disturbing but paled in comparison the to Saint Guts-Free's story, and even though I don't have a penis, I can imagine how gross and horrible it would feel and I cringed and couldn't relax.
"That was when I realized that if I just put all my energy into how things looked instead of how they felt, I could never be hurt."






This is just me, but I really think that you need a penis and experience of masturbating to sort of [I]get[/I] it in a way. But then again your guts prolapsing is something that could be relevant to anyone so I don't know.