Who's To Blame For Gas Prices?

Dont worry about gas prices trypd, Prince Bandar is taking care of it. Well that's what the Bushies think.

$2.15 at the cheap place for reg unleaded. And on the way to Vegas last week I stopped in Baker it was $2.45. Jesus christ, what the fuck is going on in our country.

I think the gas prices issue should be an economics major thesis on 'Why the free market doesn't work".

[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]Dont worry about gas prices trypd, Prince Bandar is taking care of it. Well that's what the Bushies think.

$2.15 at the cheap place for reg unleaded. And on the way to Vegas last week I stopped in Baker it was $2.45. Jesus christ, what the fuck is going on in our country.

I think the gas prices issue should be an economics major thesis on 'Why the free market doesn't work".[/QUOTE]
yea, i heard in cali the prices went as high as $2.50 per gallon. thankfully the midwest doesn't get hit as hard on gas prices, the highest i've seen it here is around $1.80 per gallon. still, i'm glad i got a new car, and got rid of my blazer.

I've never really researched it, but I've always heard on average the US still has the cheapest gas prices in the world?

Doesn't make my wallet feel any better at the pump but just helps put things in a different perspective

[QUOTE=karbunkle]I've never really researched it, but I've always heard on average the US still has the cheapest gas prices in the world?

Doesn't make my wallet feel any better at the pump but just helps put things in a different perspective[/QUOTE]
i've never heard that. i wonder if that's true, and if so, why?
if anyone has any lead on this, please, post in here.

but yea, doesn't make me feel any better about the atrocity brought against me at the pump.

and doc, pince bandar's country will keep doing what OPEC tells them to. bushies need to start listening to all of the Saudi's foreign relation peoples.

Now that I got my curiosity up and a quick google search later ...

[url]http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html[/url]

[QUOTE=karbunkle]Now that I got my curiosity up and a quick google search later ...

[url]http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/price.html[/url][/QUOTE]
good link. we are pretty far down on that list i see, somewhere around vietnam, nicaragua, and cuba.
it says that government policy is the main driver of differences in gas prices. not very specific, but i can guess that they're takling about import/export. just a guess. since we import so much and with probably fewer restriction... ah i dunno, just speculating here.
but it would be nice to have venezuela's gas prices. i could stand only have to drop about $1.50 for a full tank of gas.

rofl.

I clicked the "new Posts" button.

I saw "who's to blame for gas prices"

the thread beneath was "New Yorkers!!!"

so that's my answer.

i got $1.59/gal by me
a little farther is $1.51
and farther still is $1.47
im in jersey. New York is like $2.30 out on the island.
its fucking insane and it's all my fault.
(i also put the hole in the ozone layer by the way.)

^damn Jersey girls and their hairspray abuse...

i know i know. and im so ashamed... please forgive me...

You will be punished, and your punishment is...

... you have to live in New Jersey...mwa ha ha ha

It is about 2 bucks here, but what I want to know is: why do Alaskans have to pay so much for gas?

blame --> the many administrations since eisenhower who were too lazy to just put up some fucking windmills.

Probably because of the lack of refineries. That's why it's expensive here.

Looks like SUVs weren't such a good idea after all, eh?

Detroit/the auto industry is to blame for not raising mpg efficiency since Bush I was in office.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias]Looks like SUVs weren't such a good idea after all, eh?

Detroit/the auto industry is to blame for not raising mpg efficiency since Bush I was in office.[/QUOTE]
Actually, don't blame detroit/auto industry, blame congress. Congress has not significantly updated fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks since 1985. Congress allowed SUVs on the market to fall below the standards for mpg.
and it's not just SUVs, minivans are SUVs with a different body.

SUVs were great idea it worked they made money they don't give a shit about the environment or fuel economy they have sold those vechiles as safer because they are bigger.

[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]Probably because of the lack of refineries. That's why it's expensive here.[/QUOTE]

Nope, try again.

[QUOTE=alene]Nope, try again.[/QUOTE]
what do you think alene? i'm still not sure who's lies are less grandiose, but am interested in your thinking.

Well, I haven't really kept up on it much, but from what I understand, the US has a good reserve of crude oil, but we keep importing knowing that reserves in other countries are going to dwindle. I can never really find fact to back that up. I do know that they call it our 'emergeny stash' and they won't tap into it, rather they let gas prices climb and say oil is getting scarce.

The reason gas prices in Alaska, despite having the Willaims refinery, are extremely high because everything else costs a lot up there. They know that people expect prices to be high in alaska for things, and so they jack up the gas prices despite the fact that it should be cheapest there. I think it is the same idea in the lower 48. They know that we think the economy is bad, and that with the unrest in the middle east our supplies are challenged, so they raise prices and we just grumble and pay up. There is no real reason for gas prices to be at their highest since the 1970 oil scare, when people were lined up for gas for hours. They say that the Opec supply cuts and the SPR is what is driving the price increase, but I don't buy it. It is an easy supply to inflate without having to answer to anyone. Everyone wins. The government taxes the shit out of it and the oil companies can raise it a penny here and a penny there, and since we can't do much about it, it keeps going.

Does anyone else remember Bush accusing the democrats of letting gas prices get out of hand? "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say, `We expect you to open your spigots.'"

Yeah. Right.

It surprises me that people are still buying cars that are such gas hogs. I mean, I can't drive down the road without rolling under at least 10 H2s and a dozen Sequoias. It is encouraging that, at least in Utah, they are building more walkable communities so that you aren't required to drive everywhere, and that there is a waiting list to buy the new Toyota hybrid. We can get away from gas and pretty soon we will need to, if only to avoid this kind of bullshit.

thank you, a million times over. that is a beautiful post.

and yes, i did have a flash back of bush's "we expect you to open your spigots" statement/promise earlier when i was watching his press confrence on the tele. It's that incoherent babble full of double standards, contradictions and false promises that made me go back 4 years in time to many of his promises, the price of gas being one of them.

i'll have to read up on the 'emergency stash' before i talk with you about it, but if that's the case, it won't go unnoticed for very long.

as for buing the gas-guzzling vehicles, i find it atrocious that the technology exists to make the very same vehicles you mention get fantastic enough gas mileage to make bush cry for his texan oil fields. using a similar combustable engine, still running only on petrol, there exists the technology to double, even near triple gas mileage. this doesn't even touch upon the idea of hydrogen fueled autos.

this thread will not die, not just yet, i still have many things to catch up on.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]i'll have to read up on the 'emergency stash' before i talk with you about it, but if that's the case, it won't go unnoticed for very long.

as for buing the gas-guzzling vehicles, i find it atrocious that the technology exists to make the very same vehicles you mention get fantastic enough gas mileage to make bush cry for his texan oil fields. using a similar combustable engine, still running only on petrol, there exists the technology to double, even near triple gas mileage. this doesn't even touch upon the idea of hydrogen fueled autos.[/QUOTE]

OPEC is just a scapegoat anymore. They are far too backstabbing to be as dangerous as most people think.

I think the emergency reserve is a very good idea, however, thanks to the possibility of an oil crash.

There is the technology to make cars more fuel-efficent. It is being developed. It is being implemented slowly. How much you can blame on Bush I question, and if he rapes Iraq for oil, prices might even go down.

The point is he's bad because he doesn't promote the new technology, and will likely exploit iraq rather than nationalizing oil.

Oh, and hydrogen cars is a mediocre idea.

at the expensive places it's gone from like $1.72 to $1.80 and at the cheap places from $1.67 to $1.59 so it's not too bad around here if you know where to go. (mobil, diamond shamrock, etc)

don't folks in england and such pay upwards of 5 bucks a gallon? and we complain about 2 dollars? and why is no one blaming the jews?

I don't know if anyone else has said this, but I think gas should be $10/gal. I mean, we should really be looking into cleaner, more efficient means of transportation. Look at LA. Just look at the fucker. Nearly every asshole has an SUV and thinks they own the road. Now look at Paris. Look at Hong Kong. Look at London and Singapore. Public transportation is the way to get anywhere. And even in the countryside, people have small ass cars. It's just transportation to them. Just about the only place where public transportation is the norm in the US is NY. As americans, we seriously need to check ourselves. We spend so much on cars, and for what? To make us look cool? I always park people's huge trucks at my job. They live in San Jose, an urban area, and drive a dually? WTF? What the hell do you need a huge truck for when you live in a track home cul-de-sac for chrissake?

Point: Americans need to shut the hell up about gas prices.

[QUOTE=Diabetic]I don't know if anyone else has said this, but I think gas should be $10/gal. I mean, we should really be looking into cleaner, more efficient means of transportation. Look at LA. Just look at the fucker. Nearly every asshole has an SUV and thinks they own the road. Now look at Paris. Look at Hong Kong. Look at London and Singapore. Public transportation is the way to get anywhere. And even in the countryside, people have small ass cars. It's just transportation to them. Just about the only place where public transportation is the norm in the US is NY. As americans, we seriously need to check ourselves. We spend so much on cars, and for what? To make us look cool? I always park people's huge trucks at my job. They live in San Jose, an urban area, and drive a dually? WTF? What the hell do you need a huge truck for when you live in a track home cul-de-sac for chrissake?

Point: Americans need to shut the hell up about gas prices.[/QUOTE]

Someone did say that.

[QUOTE=Diabetic]I don't know if anyone else has said this, but I think gas should be $10/gal. I mean, we should really be looking into cleaner, more efficient means of transportation. Look at LA. Just look at the fucker. Nearly every asshole has an SUV and thinks they own the road. Now look at Paris. Look at Hong Kong. Look at London and Singapore. Public transportation is the way to get anywhere. And even in the countryside, people have small ass cars. It's just transportation to them. Just about the only place where public transportation is the norm in the US is NY. As americans, we seriously need to check ourselves. We spend so much on cars, and for what? To make us look cool? I always park people's huge trucks at my job. They live in San Jose, an urban area, and drive a dually? WTF? What the hell do you need a huge truck for when you live in a track home cul-de-sac for chrissake?

Point: Americans need to shut the hell up about gas prices.[/QUOTE]
that is an ideal point to make.
but this thread isn't about not using gas, it's about the impact of rising gas prices in the states.

hydrogen fueled cars isn't a mediocre idea, it's a fantastic idea. the technology already exists, for both cars and fuel storage for a "hydrogen" station. it's clean burning, and it's a renewable resource, unlike gasoline.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]that is an ideal point to make.
but this thread isn't about not using gas, it's about the impact of rising gas prices in the states.

hydrogen fueled cars isn't a mediocre idea, it's a fantastic idea. the technology already exists, for both cars and fuel storage for a "hydrogen" station. it's clean burning, and it's a renewable resource, unlike gasoline.[/QUOTE]

Hydrogen is a joke. It just kicks the pollution up the line to the places that make it by burning fossil fuels to separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water.

You're still killing the earth. This way is just more specious.

[QUOTE=Gideon]Hydrogen is a joke. It just kicks the pollution up the line to the places that make it by burning fossil fuels to separate the hydrogen and oxygen in water.

You're still killing the earth. This way is just more specious.[/QUOTE]

and a single tank of hydrogen fuel could get you up to 300-400 miles, rather than (the around) 200 miles gasoline power gets you now.

The prices will be just as bad. Public Transportation is the only way to get prices down. Demand goes down they will be forced to lower prices. Hydrogen will just give the Gas Cartels a new drug to push.

Or government regulations on gas. Because Public Transportation is government run it can control the price but we don't control gas because it's a free market.

who do i blame for high gas prices? several people/groups:

1. Osama bin Laden
2. Saddam Hussein
3. Democrats
4. Homosexuals
5. Poor people
6. Non-Christians who don't speak English
7. Native Americans
8. Women
9. Drugs in our nation's schools
10. frivolous lawsuits

If we could just take care of these problems first, the gas problem will just go away. trust me.

You forgot the Jews, Blacks, and The ACLU

Hydrogen cells produce very very little pollution themselves.

Making them is what produces the bulk, and makes them as harmful as just burning gas.

Once we get cold fusion happening, we can make the hydrogen for cars with that, but as is we have to burn coal or some such to make it, for a total decrease of pollution equalling zero.

[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]You forgot the Jews, Blacks, and The ACLU[/QUOTE]

those groups are important, and are 11, 12, and 13 on the list, respectively, they are just not as important as frivolous lawsuits.

[QUOTE=snuffy]those groups are important, and are 11, 12, and 13 on the list, respectively, they are just not as important as frivolous lawsuits.[/QUOTE]

I'd kick women to the top of the list then.

above drugs in our nation's schools! you are insane! plug into the realites of society, my friend!

Women > Osama Bin Laden

oh, and i suppose "Non-Christians who don't speak English" are off the list, too?

madness, i tell you, madness!