VOTE OBAMA
still though, getting federal aid for community service seems an easier path than changing the whole capitalistic nature of colleges and money and everything....
Our state does have amazing aid though. I could go to University of Wyoming for free! Hell, i could get Paid to go there. But I don't want to go there. I want to go to University of Washington in Seattle. So, I'll be paying around 35,000. Unfair. I want that 4000 a year thanks.
Dude, capitalism provides the highest quality goods available at the lowest rates. State-established monopolism is what causes astronomical inflated prices. The fact that the central bank prints more money than our system possesses causes the money that you have to be worth less. To fix a system of theft, the 'I want' is to encourage more theft. I believe two wrongs doesn't make a right. That 4 grand won't come from nowhere, you'll be paying for it in higher taxes (money robbed from you under the cloak of legitimacy) for the rest of your life.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
well, i guess you're right. I don't know much about the issue, so I won't embaress myselft by saying anything more.
Brentinlouis Wrote: What was that rule about being intentionally annoying?
Yay! On topic! The Dave Ridley knows...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2y4rkkQkmIo
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Giggan,
You embed a video and it finally works without (for some unknown reason) totally screwing up the whole forum layout... and I click it, and it says that it is no longer available!
www.funnyordie.com/videos/d447db5f3b. Obama's off that blow?
www.funnyordie.com/videos/553fa7c75c Hilary Clinton's a tranny?
I have this dream life where I get to be a celebrity but I get to navigate the world fairly easily because I'm always in character. ~dana carvey
Hmmm...it seems to be working now.
I found out that when you link a youtube vid, it automatically 'hyperlinks' when you paste it. If you remove the hyperlink, it only posts one video, not the two that eff up the page.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I'm gonna resurrect this. After scanning youtube vids, I found one from a radio debate with Alan Keyes when Barack was running for US Senate. Of course I would have voted for my hero AKeyes, but this Barack is way more up front than the one we've seen facing Hitlery. I like this Barack more than the boisterous optimist. Perhaps we'll see this side again in his fight against McCain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53QapiHA0Lg&NR=1
¡Here they have to kiss each other's rectum!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-OshC-O6kA&NR=1
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I am considering voting for Obama now so Fred Armisen will be on SNL more.
I want to see an Obama/ Richardson ticket because Bill Richardson looks pretty sick with that beard now. It has been far to long since we have had a bearded man in the white house.
still though, getting federal aid for community service seems an easier path than changing the whole capitalistic nature of colleges and money and everything....
Our state does have amazing aid though. I could go to University of Wyoming for free! Hell, i could get Paid to go there. But I don't want to go there. I want to go to University of Washington in Seattle. So, I'll be paying around 35,000. Unfair. I want that 4000 a year thanks.
Dude, capitalism provides the highest quality goods available at the lowest rates. State-established monopolism is what causes astronomical inflated prices. The fact that the central bank prints more money than our system possesses causes the money that you have to be worth less. To fix a system of theft, the 'I want' is to encourage more theft. I believe two wrongs doesn't make a right. That 4 grand won't come from nowhere, you'll be paying for it in higher taxes (money robbed from you under the cloak of legitimacy) for the rest of your life.
Incorrect. Private schools (the ones NOT part of the big evil government) are many times more expensive than public ones.
Dude, capitalism provides the highest quality goods available at the lowest rates. State-established monopolism is what causes astronomical inflated prices. The fact that the central bank prints more money than our system possesses causes the money that you have to be worth less. To fix a system of theft, the 'I want' is to encourage more theft. I believe two wrongs doesn't make a right. That 4 grand won't come from nowhere, you'll be paying for it in higher taxes (money robbed from you under the cloak of legitimacy) for the rest of your life.
Incorrect. Private schools (the ones NOT part of the big evil government) are many times more expensive than public ones.
Not naturally. Gov't schools set the minimum standard for school. Compare it to the post office. They do the basic business that most everyone needs, sending letters, small packages, but when you gotta b' the b', you go to fedex or ups. They're slightly more expensive, but for good reason, you get a different service. Gov't schools, being available to any average citizen without additional charges (outside of what's already legally robbed) offer the minimum requirements of education. To go further, of course the price will be higher, but it is worth it to those who choose to pay. Gov't schools have the vast majority of the market share of eduation now, since people are satisfied at the amount they turn out to the degree that they are able to get everything they need for cheaper. It's the Wal-Mart/Sam's Club economic principle - get everyone to buy more, and your sub-prime prices will make you more through quantity moved. Keep in mind, education is not operating in a free market. The least expensive education one can receive is home schooling, but there is a social hinderance factor there, which is why its cool when schools have dudes come in for some classes for interaction. The common libertarian addage about regulation is that any madate sets what becomes a minimum standard and allows for little growth beyond that, whereas a free market challenges an industry with competition, constantly demanding the best service at the lowest price.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I have a few problems with Obama, although I do see him as the lesser of evils within the remaining mainstream candidates. However, I refuse to vote for the lesser, I'll either write in Paul or vote third party.
The whole aspect that Obama brings about with 'change' I see as completely false. He's not offering anything new or even different, just more big government. While I somewhat have a few socialist/progressive leanings, it's more to the humanitarian side of things where sure I'd like to help poor sick people in Africa and what not, but I understand that socialism doesn't work and in return just gives all the power to the government, who generally abuses it. Obama plans on giving a lot of financial aid to foreign countries in a time when we as a country have a 9 trillion dollar deficit, our dollar is tanking, and we're in the midst of two wars, we just can't afford it. (Also most foreign aid gets abused by oppressors and doesn't help the people all that much, if you want to help out another country do so personally and volunteer/donate, don't mandate it by stealing money through taxes or borrowing from China - or just having the fed print it.) As well as Universal Healthcare, sure sounds great, but more government involvement is not the answer, plus we can't afford it.
Obama speaks well, and has been able to find rhetoric that sits well with many voters that are fed up with the current administration, but he doesn't have any real substance, at least not in the manner of change. Plus his voting record sucks. He voted for the Patriot Act, and to fund the Iraq war. He's just pandering for votes, a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Also to Giggan about the CFR and Obama, I don't know whether or not he's a 'card carrying' member or anything of the such, but he has spoken there before aswell as his wife being a member. I think it'd be safe to associate him with it, along with all the other previous candidates that have been in the race so far besides Paul.
I think what needs to be understood is the our two party system is a sham. It's the same people and ideas, sponsered by the same companies, controlled by the same organizations, just managed differently. It's to give you the illusion you have a choice when indeed you don't. So regardless of who wins, the same general policies are going to be in place. We'll still likely be heading towards war with Iran and still have our constitutional liberties stripped away. While I totally despise McCain, and for the most part Hillary, I'm not too fond of Obama either - I just don't know much about him yet to form a strong dislike. When Novemeber comes, unless some miracle happens, unfortunately we'll be stuck with these 3 media created candidates, and I guess I'd hope Obama wins - but that's not saying much.
Also, I think Clinton will get the nom, and then there will be riots and such and it'll be quite humorous until McCain benefits from it.
Obama won Guam last night by seven votes. The total vote count was Obama 2,264 to Clinton 2,257. Their were only four delegates at stake, but another five superdelegates. With such a harsh blow like that, Clinton should just drop out of the race.
Wow, I didn't think I'd see this thread come back to life...and whatdaya know, I was unaware Guam had primaries, or even delgates for that matter. Hey, more power to em.
As far as who gets the nom, the guys pulling the strings will give it to Barack if they feel they can trust him. Or maybe they're let him get it knowing McCain will win the general anyways. No matter how all of it turns out, the enemy wins.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I wanna make a video where its a picture of George W. Bush that slowly turns into a picture of John McCain, and then at the end it says "Four more years?" and thats it. I have no clue how to do that however.
Also, giggan, I think I used to have that as my sig when Rant first came out. Or it was my AIM profile or something. I don't remember.
The sig I have now? Nice. Yeah, I know I've seen it before on chuck quote pages, but it hit me pretty hard when I came across it in context while reading Invis Monsters.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
The sig I have now? Nice. Yeah, I know I've seen it before on chuck quote pages, but it hit me pretty hard when I came across it in context while reading Invis Monsters.
Oh yeah, that is from IM, isn't it? I was mixing that one up with the "The future you have tomorrow will not be the same future you had yesterday." from Rant, which I like because it has two completely different meanings, in and out of context, with the time travel element of the story.
I want to see Obama's record. What he has accomplished in all of his politic positions. (If that's been posted I'm sorry.) This is just my opinion on him: He's all talk no action. I think McCain is secretly an independent but whatever I know nothing. Hillary fights, she's a machine.
I'll vote for Obama, because i want to see if he can take it. I really wish Mike Bloomberg would run maybe in 2012.
I want to see Obama's record. What he has accomplished in all of his politic positions. (If that's been posted I'm sorry.) This is just my opinion on him: He's all talk no action. I think McCain is secretly an independent but whatever I know nothing. Hillary fights, she's a machine.
I'll vote for Obama, because i want to see if he can take it. I really wish Mike Bloomberg would run maybe in 2012.
Yeah, this thread went off the topic of Obama rather quickly, but s'all good. McCain is the conservative version of Obama who is the nice guy version of Hitlery, they're all the same, for reasons I won't bother reiterating again. Just go back to page 2 or 3 and search Obama's name (ctrl+f, not cult search) to find the few posts where we actually talk about him.
Bloomberg's a new name on here though, and he sucks big time. Pro-tax, anti-gun, mastermind of the smoking ban, he runs NY like its his own little world. I despise him. I like him even less than Rudy, and I'm not fond of Rudy either.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Thanks, Giggan. I'm glad my post wasn't knocked. I'll get to those pages.
[img]http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a902/a902_bm.gif[/img]
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
hahaha, i would buy that t-shirt. i really would.
If you do, get pics! http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=902
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Looks like Obama has the nomination. I guess we'll see how this'll work out in a few months.
RIGHT ON...very excited - lets keep this thing rolling - every time i watch MCCAIN i get ill, he's creepy
BLOG | FACEBOOK | TWITTER | TRANSUBSTANTIATE BLOG | TRANSUBSTANTIATE FACEBOOK
RIGHT ON...very excited - lets keep this thing rolling - every time i watch MCCAIN i get ill, he's creepy
I know the feeling...I feel it for all people who want to dictate how I must live my life from 500 miles away in DC. McCain, Obama, hell, even Bob Barr. RP4me.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
It switched when most people are going to vote for either Obama or McCain.
Clinton supporters voting for McCain...is just betraying your party. (Stupid.)
OBAMA=OBAMALAMADINGDONG!
i try to stay away from political talk but this is an interesting piece on how the world (or the UK at least) is perceiving the coming US presidential election.
taken from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.bara...
The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse
o Jonathan Freedland
o The Guardian,
o Wednesday September 10 2008
o Article history
The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."
In my head, I'm not as anxious for Barack Obama's chances as I was for John Kerry's in 2004 or Al Gore's in 2000. He is a better candidate than both put together, and all the empirical evidence says this year favours Democrats more than any since 1976. But still, I can't shake off the gloom.
Look at yesterday's opinion polls, which have John McCain either in a dead heat with Obama or narrowly ahead. Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't - this suggests Obama is now trailing badly. More troubling was the ABC News-Washington Post survey which found McCain ahead among white women by 53% to 41%. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 15% lead among women. There is only one explanation for that turnaround, and it was not McCain's tranquilliser of a convention speech: Obama's lead has been crushed by the Palin bounce.
So you can understand my pessimism. But it's now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. Fight too hard, and the Republican machine, echoed by the ditto-heads in the conservative commentariat on talk radio and cable TV, will brand Democrats sexist, elitist snobs, patronising a small-town woman. Do nothing, and Palin's rise will continue unchecked, her novelty making even Obama look stale, her star power energising and motivating the Republican base.
So somehow Palin slips out of reach, no revelation - no matter how jaw-dropping or career-ending were it applied to a normal candidate - doing sufficient damage to slow her apparent march to power, dragging the charisma-deprived McCain behind her.
We know one of Palin's first acts as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska was to ask the librarian the procedure for banning books. Oh, but that was a "rhetorical" question, says the McCain-Palin campaign. We know Palin is not telling the truth when she says she was against the notorious $400m "Bridge to Nowhere" project in Alaska - in fact, she campaigned for it - but she keeps repeating the claim anyway. She denounces the dipping of snouts in the Washington trough - but hired costly lobbyists to make sure Alaska got a bigger helping of federal dollars than any other state.
She claims to be a fiscal conservative, but left Wasilla saddled with debts it had never had before. She even seems to have claimed "per diem" allowances - taxpayers' money meant for out-of-town travel - when she was staying in her own house.
Yet somehow none of this is yet leaving a dent. The result is that a politician who conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan calls a "Christianist" - seeking to politicise Christianity the way Islamists politicise Islam - could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Remember, this is a woman who once addressed a church congregation, saying of her work as governor - transport, policing and education - "really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God".
If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all. And, most depressing, many African-Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.
But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.
The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but also because they know he, like the majority of the world's population, opposed the Iraq war. McCain supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to 9/11. Non-Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to bypass the United Nations in favour of a US-friendly League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican convention was "Drill, baby, drill!", as if the solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the US's entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.
If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.
Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.
And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".
Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."
Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.
reddit has a pretty left bias though, must be because we're all geeks over there.
This is some good readin', Damien, thanks....
This thread is immortal.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
idn't red all that. did it say anything about him calling that chick a pig today?
He didn't call that chick a pig today (it actually happened yesterday). But really, he didn't call her a pig.
He didn't but if he did, she shouldn't have the double standard to call herself a pit bull, but get offended at pig.
Also, why do they keep saying rape and incest? Is incest not mostly rape?
good to see this alive
BLOG | FACEBOOK | TWITTER | TRANSUBSTANTIATE BLOG | TRANSUBSTANTIATE FACEBOOK
Also, why do they keep saying rape and incest? Is incest not mostly rape?
never been to kentucky, huh?
Bug man's from Kentucky, born there anyways.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Resurrection!
I thought this was interesting but it didn't need it's own thread, and why not snap a classic back to life for a bit?
ION, Bug Man was nominated for an Oscár!...but he won't win because he's up against HLedge.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
What and when was the last time someone changed your mind on a topic you really believed firmly in?
Personally, I used to think Sydney Crosby wasn't a douche, but my eyes have been opened.