UK: Telescreens to be installed in homes

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I didn't believe it when I first read it either. No, this is not a joke. The British gov't is installing cameras IN PRIVATE HOMES. It's for the children, of course.

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http://www.infowars.com/uk-government-to-install-surveillance-cameras-in...

The UK government is about to spend $700 million dollars installing surveillance cameras inside the private homes of citizens to ensure that children go to bed on time, attend school and eat proper meals.

No you aren’t reading a passage from George Orwell’s 1984 or Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, this is Britain in 2009, a country which already has more surveillance cameras watching its population than the whole of Europe put together.

Now the government is embarking on a scheme called “Family Intervention Projects” which will literally create a nanny state on steroids, with social services goons and private security guards given the authority to make regular “home checks” to ensure parents are raising their children correctly.

Telescreens will also be installed so government spies can keep an eye on whether parents are mistreating kids and whether the kids are fulfilling their obligations under a pre-signed contract.

Around 2,000 families have been targeted by this program so far and the government wants to snare 20,000 more within the next two years. The tab will be picked up by the taxpayer, with the “interventions” being funded through local council authorities.

Another key aspect of the program will see parents deemed “responsible” by the government handed the power to denounce and report bad parents who allow their children to engage in bad behavior. Such families will then be targeted for “interventions”.

Both parents and children will also be forced to sign a “behavior contract” with the government known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, in which the state will dictate obligations that it expects to be met.

The opposition Conservative Party, who are clear favorites to win the next British election, commented that the program does not go far enough and is “too little, too late.”

Respondents to a Daily Express article about the new program expressed their shock at the totalitarian implications of what is unfolding in the United Kingdom under the guise of social services initiatives.

“Sorry, but what the hell? Why are people not up in arms about this?,” writes one, “This is a complete invasion of privacy, and it totally ignores the fact that the state does NOT own kids. It’s not up to them how parents choose to raise their children, as long as the parents do not actively harm them. Why on earth aren’t the public rioting? It’s completely anathema to basic British freedoms.”

“Excuse me!?! What an incredible intrusion into the privacy of a family! George Orwell must be spinning in his grave right now,” writes another.

“I have one comment to make: it completely violates Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (Human Rights Act 1998). Has this minister and his lackies even done any basic homework on basic human rights and civil liberties? Or rather they’ve just decided to completely ignore them,” adds another.

The move to install surveillance cameras inside private homes is also on the agenda across the pond. In February 2006, Houston Chief of Police Harold Hurtt said cameras should be placed inside apartments and homes in order to “fight crime” due to there being a shortage of police officers.

“I know a lot of people are concerned about Big Brother, but my response to that is, if you are not doing anything wrong, why should you worry about it?” Chief Hurtt told reporters.

Andy Teas with the Houston Apartment Association supported the proposal, saying privacy concerns would take a back seat to many people who would, “appreciate the thought of extra eyes looking out for them.”

If such programs come to fruition and are implemented on a mass scale then the full scope of George Orwell’s depiction of a totalitarian society is his classic novel 1984 will have been realized.

The following passage is from Orwell’s 1984;

The telescreen received and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it, moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live — did live, from habit that became instinct — in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

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http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/115736/Sin-bins-for-worst-families

THOUSANDS of the worst families in England are to be put in “sin bins” in a bid to change their bad behaviour, Ed Balls announced yesterday.

The Children’s Secretary set out £400million plans to put 20,000 problem families under 24-hour CCTV super-vision in their own homes.

They will be monitored to ensure that children attend school, go to bed on time and eat proper meals.

Private security guards will also be sent round to carry out home checks, while parents will be given help to combat drug and alcohol addiction.

Around 2,000 families have gone through these Family Intervention Projects so far.

But ministers want to target 20,000 more in the next two years, with each costing between £5,000 and £20,000 – a potential total bill of £400million.

Ministers hope the move will reduce the number of youngsters who get drawn into crime because of their chaotic family lives, as portrayed in Channel 4 comedy drama Shameless.

Sin bin projects operate in half of council areas already but Mr Balls wants every local authority to fund them.

He said: “This is pretty tough and non-negotiable support for families to get to the root of the problem. There should be Family Intervention Projects in every local authority area because every area has families that need support.”

But Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: “This is all much too little, much too late.

“This Government has been in power for more than a decade during which time anti-social behaviour, family breakdown and problems like alcohol abuse and truancy have just got worse and worse.”

Mr Balls also said responsible parents who make sure their children behave in school will get new rights to complain about those who allow their children to disrupt lessons.

Pupils and their families will have to sign behaviour contracts known as Home School Agreements before the start of every year, which will set out parents’ duties to ensure children behave and do their homework.

The updated Youth Crime Action Plan also called for a crackdown on violent girl gangs as well as drug and alcohol abuse among young women.

But a decision to give ministers new powers to intervene with failing local authority Youth Offending Teams was criticised by council leaders.

Les Lawrence, of the Local Government Association, said they did “crucial” work and such intervention was “completely unnecessary”.

Is anyone else's head exploding over this?!?

First they came for the 20,000 "worst families"...

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Holy fuck. That is all I have to say. What's worse is the fact that I know people who think this is a good idea.

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Kinda spooky, but , my favorite part:

ED BALLS.

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Yikes. I'm surprised the first I heard of this was at the Cult of all places.

This one needs to international attention. Maybe if we tagged Michelle Obama's jeans with a URL to the stories the press would take notice.

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You see? Children ruin everything. I've been saying it since I was a child. Also, this looks like a front for the vastly rising reality T.V. movement. I'm actually scared.

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Yeah, it'll pass by them just billing it as "Surprise Big Brother House."
Tune in this week to see if YOUR family is the lucky contestants to appear on our show. Become famous!
At least, that's how they'll get 20,000 people to willingly and excitedly sign up for this.

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I don't live in the U.K. so I don't know how true this is, but I heard that there is a bit of a domestic violence problem there. That might be the guise they are launching this under, but this is just fucking ridiculous. If the gov't tried that in the states, people would revolt.

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Americans would love it. They would script the revolt as part of the show, with love angles and dramatic "behind the curtain" interviews.

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Wow. What else does one say? Can't say they are no more than a few decades ahead of where the US has a good chance of ending up.

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You do fall for a lot of crap sometimes, don't you Giggan (et al)?

The Express is a turd of a paper (run by an ex-porn baron with a tendency to make Nazi jokes). In fact, that story has only really been repeated (rehashed) in several of the UK's most hysterical, cartoonish rags (The Sun and the Daily Mail, as well as the slightly more respectable, but still reactionary, Telegraph.)

InfoWars like to seize on any little piece of propaganda that backs up their agenda.

While I agree with a lot of your concerns, and there are some points to this that are worrying, this is blatant scaremongering - and you're lapping it up.

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You're...you're one of THEM! The mustachioed elite!

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monkeywright wrote:
You're...you're one of THEM! The mustachioed elite!

run away! Run away!


Did you know that when the Japanese invaded China in WWII, one of the first things they did was round everyone up that wore glasses and killed them because that was a sign of someone who reads and therefore thinks too much for themselves.
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nathaniel parker wrote:
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Did you know that when the Japanese invaded China in WWII, one of the first things they did was round everyone up that wore glasses and killed them because that was a sign of someone who reads and therefore thinks too much for themselves.

Same happened with Pol Pot in Cambodia.

Not sure of either stance on staches though.

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that might have been the one i heard of then. I just made up the japan/china thing because it sounded like it could happen.

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The point is though, beware the spectacle lest you be killed for cleverness.

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Those articles are misleading bollocks. Where they say that people will be having CCTV cameras installed in their own homes what they actually mean is that some families will be moved to the 'sin bin' accomadation (or 'core residential unit') that they mention, and those places are nowhere near as Orwellian as they make them sound.

Essentially they're for families who are in danger of being evicted or split up by social services, either due to criminal/anti-social behaviour or things like mental illness or drug problems. Rather than the adults going homeless and the children going into care homes they can stay together if they agree to live in a core residential unit. These places can be fairly strict, they employ private security companies, impose kerfews and use CCTV (although not inside the actual lodgings as those articles would have you believe), but they also provide a lot of support for families that might overwise have trouble providing a suitable environment for child to grow up in.

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any truth to the rumour that great britain is going to outlaw swords?

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I wouldn't be surprised, for years now the media have been going mental over youth knife crime.

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Damn soccer riot kids.

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Wait...this need be cleared up. RGimp, what is the real story then? I started reading your post figuring the article was completely false, but then it seems as though something involving cameras in homes is occurring, but is not as this paper makes it out to be. Are there any other sources that are actually discussing this?

Of course infowars is shitting a brick over this, that's what they do, but there is creedence to it, no?

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Giggan wrote:
Wait...this need be cleared up. RGimp, what is the real story then? I started reading your post figuring the article was completely false, but then it seems as though something involving cameras in homes is occurring, but is not as this paper makes it out to be. Are there any other sources that are actually discussing this?

Of course infowars is shitting a brick over this, that's what they do, but there is creedence to it, no?

There is some credence to it, but as Mikandrewz points out it has been reported wrongly.

The crucial issue, and the issue that Infowars is getting all fired up about, is that the CCTV isn't going into private homes.

Now, I'm all for attacking the surveillance state, but we gotta get our facts straight.

Clearly, the headline:

"UK Government To Install Surveillance Cameras In Private Homes"

Makes better copy than:

"UK Government Considers Tough Monitoring Action On Worst Offending Families"

Or whatever.

Also, I mentioned the Daily Mail earlier. They have a similar bias to The Express, but interestingly their reporting of this same story doesn't even mention CCTV:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201462/Thousands-Englands-worst...

It seems that the upshot is that, even if you disagree with the approach to this scheme overall, the KILLER COPY issue (CCTV in private homes) is a red herring.

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Well for a start, the numbers they give up there (2000 families currently, expanding the scheme to 20000) is referring to the number of people in the Family Intervention Project not the number of people under surveillence. For the most part the family intervention project is just increased attention from social services for troubled families, it's only the most serious cases that go into the core residential units. If you wanna know about the core residential units, there's a good review of it here-

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/158816/0043123.pdf

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Riddlegimp wrote:
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more on the free tosh wax and comb please... i could be persuaded to join!

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Giggan wrote:
I didn't believe it when I first read it either. No, this is not a joke. The British gov't is installing cameras IN PRIVATE HOMES. It's for the children, of course.

2 articles on the subject:

http://www.infowars


I only made it this far. What is it with you people and taking Alex Jones seriously? The guy is crazier than a shithouse rat. Sarah Palin's retarded baby is a more credible source.
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I don't listen to Alex Jones or check infowars without being linked there by other people, so I'm not totally sure, but I imagine that people other than Alex Jones are running infowars.

To be fair, there's no news source that I ever refuse to read/watch. Not even BBC.

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Not even BBC.

SOCIALIST MEDIA!!!!

David Attenborough = Stalin!

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Sarah Palin's retarded baby is a more credible source.

Now that I think about it he's also a more credible source than Mrs. Palin herself. Go fig.
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I think Alex Jones has many flaws. First, he does not trust the media unless it agrees with his verbal bowel movements. Secondly, I believe he has a thing for Hitler, just checkout how he poses and gestures, during his speeches on YouTube. Remember this is the same guy who predicted Arnold Swarzenager would be president in '08.

However, I do think people here in America would have their homes bugged with cameras, for free gizmos. We laugh at the Native Americans, sale of Manhattan for $24. Yet, we American's would trade our assholes for a free buffet.

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What you mean "we", white man?

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