Tsunami
this is some fucked up shit right here
80,000 dead
experts say death toll could double from disease and famine
1/3 of those killed thought to be children
yet further proof that there is no god
Was there a tsunami? Where?
um... here [url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiap...uake/index.html[/url]
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Go to Google News. Look at the front page. just take a peek at it right now, or over the next couple of days. the world is decidely more fucked than usual.
Two car bombs just went off near Saudi Arabia's interior ministry. 28 died in a bombing in Iraq. Yushenko supporters are blocking a convening a PM cabinet session. Oh, and 85,000 people dissapeared in a deluge.
It's all very over-the-top Biblical.
"...and I think to myself... what a wonderful world...'
"ohhhhhh...yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh...."
I was here. Then I wasn't. Then I was again.
A couple things:
1: A supermodel survived this horrific accident, her boyfriend did not. Whoopdidoo.
2- Jet Li injured his foot while picking up his daughter when the tsunami hit. Ironic, no?
Now for a couple news articles I found interesting:
Nicobar and Simeulue farther out to sea
Tuesday, December 28, 2004 Posted: 10:28 PM EST (0328 GMT)
U.S. scientists say movement of the tectonic plates during the earthquake shifted the Nicobar Islands.
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- The massive earthquake that devastated parts of Asia permanently moved the tectonic plates beneath the Indian Ocean as much as 98 feet (30 meters), slightly shifting islands near Sumatra an unknown distance, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday.
A tsunami spawned by the 9.0-magnitude quake off the northern tip of Sumatra killed an estimated 60,000 on Sunday in Indonesia, Thailand, India, Malaysia, Sri Lanka and East Africa.
Satellite images showed that the movement of undersea plates off the northern tip of Sumatra moved the Nicobar Islands and Simeulue Island out to sea by an unknown distance, U.S. Geological Survey geophysicist Ken Hudnut said.
Although the data showed that plates more than 12 miles (20 km) beneath the ocean's surface moved dramatically, scientists will have to use handheld satellite positioning systems at the sites to learn precisely how much the land masses on the surface shifted, Hudnut said.
The USGS team in Pasadena, California, also was studying more detailed satellite images on Tuesday to determine if the scraping of one plate over another plowed up enough debris on the ocean floor to block the port of Banda Aceh in Sumatra where international aid was headed.
Large earthquakes in the last decade in Kobe, Japan, and Golcuk, Turkey, deformed the coastlines and rendered their ports inoperable after the crises, Hudnut said.
The scientists have asked for cooperation from operators of commercial satellites that can provide high-resolution images to show the extent of damage to coastlines, he said.
Wednesday, December 29, 2004 Posted: 2:44 PM EST (1944 GMT)
Scientists believe that a shift of mass toward the Earth's center during the quake caused the planet to spin 3 microseconds faster and to tilt about an inch on its axis.
LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- The deadly Asian earthquake may have permanently accelerated the Earth's rotation, shortening days by a fraction of a second and caused the planet to wobble on its axis, U.S. scientists said Tuesday.
Richard Gross, a geophysicist with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, theorized that a shift of mass toward the Earth's center during the quake Sunday caused the planet to spin 3 microseconds, or millionths of a second, faster and to tilt about an inch on its axis.
When one huge tectonic plate beneath the Indian Ocean was forced below the edge of another "it had the effect of making the Earth more compact and spinning faster," Gross said.
Gross said changes predicted by his model probably are too minuscule to be detected by a global positioning satellite network that routinely measures changes in Earth's spin, but said the data may reveal a slight wobble.
The Earth's poles travel a circular path that normally varies by about 33 feet , so an added wobble of an inch is unlikely to cause long-term effects, he said.
"That continual motion is just used to changing," Gross said. "The rotation is not actually that precise. The Earth does slow down and change its rate of rotation."
When those tiny variations accumulate, planetary scientists must add a "leap second" to the end of a year, something that has not been done in many years, Gross said.
Scientists have long theorized that changes on the Earth's surface such as tide and groundwater shifts and weather could affect its spin but they have not had precise measurements to prove it, Caltech seismologist Hiroo Kanamori said.
"Even for a very large event, the effect is very small," Kanamori said. "It's very difficult to change the rotation rate substantially."
[QUOTE=Parkaboy]Go to Google News. Look at the front page. just take a peek at it right now, or over the next couple of days. the world is decidely more fucked than usual.
Two car bombs just went off near Saudi Arabia's interior ministry. 28 died in a bombing in Iraq. Yushenko supporters are blocking a convening a PM cabinet session. It's all very over-the-top Biblical.
"...and I think to myself... what a wonderful world...'
"ohhhhhh...yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhh...."[/QUOTE]
but we're safe in america.
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all it takes is $60 and a dream.
Those numbers are insane.
Mother Nature is a fucking beast.
[QUOTE=vidalia]but we're safe in america.[/QUOTE]
That's right.
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[QUOTE=JackRabbitSlim]Those numbers are insane.
Mother Nature is a fucking beast.[/QUOTE]
We should get Bush to wage the "War on Mother Nature", or at least I think it would be a good idea...
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George Carlin predicted this would happen in his latest stand-up show.
I shit you not.
He thought it was funny. I'll admit, so did I.
Did anyone see it? I'm not bullshitting. The only difference is he said it would start in California, but he basically described how it would set off a chain reaction wiping out the whole human race, and create a spirit planet with the soul of everyone's Uncle Dave, where they'd all be happy. And that, he said, is why he thinks a little death is a good thing.
He's in rehab now. Go figure.
Funny how I don't really care about this, as much as I want to. Pretty sad actually, me not caring.
I was totally crying last night when I watched the news and they showed all the chidren's bodies.
I didn't actually see any pictures yet since I don't have a TV here. But I hope I don't change my attitude based on pictures only.
I really don't get why people are making more of a point about the children who died. I mean if it was 80,000 adults it would still be fucking horrible. To me a life is a life. I understand that it is always more upsetting when a child dies, but in this case its upsetting altogether. OK, Im done.
[QUOTE=stoyan]I didn't actually see any pictures yet since I don't have a TV here. But I hope I don't change my attitude based on pictures only.[/QUOTE]
I don't know I think the most heartbreaking thing I saw was a mother who was greiving at her child's funeral, you could totally feel her pain
[QUOTE=Smartazboy]I really don't get why people are making more of a point about the children who died. I mean if it was 80,000 adults it would still be fucking horrible. To me a life is a life. I understand that it is always more upsetting when a child dies, but in this case its upsetting altogether. OK, Im done.[/QUOTE]
I don't know maybe it's some strange maternal instinct to protect children
[QUOTE=Smartazboy]I really don't get why people are making more of a point about the children who died. I mean if it was 80,000 adults it would still be fucking horrible. To me a life is a life. I understand that it is always more upsetting when a child dies, but in this case its upsetting altogether. OK, Im done.[/QUOTE]
agreed. a tragedy is a tragedy. The only way the loss of children becomes more grievous (sp?) is if they are targeted by some conscious agent.
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[QUOTE=Smartazboy]I really don't get why people are making more of a point about the children who died. I mean if it was 80,000 adults it would still be fucking horrible. To me a life is a life. I understand that it is always more upsetting when a child dies, but in this case its upsetting altogether. OK, Im done.[/QUOTE]
Children's deaths are generally considered more horrible, because we associate a child with innocence. In the old archetipical way of thinking, death can always be justified by some kind of sins. A child however cannot possibly deserve death so it is even worse when it dies. Or maybe just because the child has much more to lose, like, more life, in a way. I don't know, I too find it strange to always count the children deaths separate.
[QUOTE=stoyan]Funny how I don't really care about this, as much as I want to. Pretty sad actually, me not caring.[/QUOTE]
you sure youre not american?
[QUOTE=Balthazar]you sure youre not american?[/QUOTE]
I'm positive. But I am just amazed at my lack of care, at my egocentrism. I just can't care. And believe, I do want to care, really.
[QUOTE=stoyan]Or maybe just because the child has much more to lose, like, more life, in a way. I don't know, I too find it strange to always count the children deaths separate.[/QUOTE]
I think that's a large a large part of what makes the death of children more tragic to so many people, myself included. They will never have a chance to experience so many things. I remember reading about an Indian women that went to the market with her daughter and when she returned home her grandchildren and son in law were dead. That hit me so hard because I think of how I always snatch my sister away for an hour to get coffee or hit a bookstore, I could imagine so clearly how I would feel if there were an earthquake and when we returned her husband and children were dead. I don't know how I would ever get over it. People can't be replaced and with children its even more sad because you will never know what kind of person they would have become.
Anyway, I don't want to cheapen the deaths of 80,000 people by going on and on how it makes me feel-boohoo, mirka is sad, at least she's not dead..
On the other side, a child is a child, all of them the same. As soon as some years pass, however, the child becomes a person, and a person is not a person. My uncle's daughter. my cousine, she died when she was like 3 or something. And he said, that she was a person already, not just a doll anymore. It was really really sad.
[QUOTE=stoyan]Children's deaths are generally considered more horrible, because we associate a child with innocence. In the old archetipical way of thinking, death can always be justified by some kind of sins.[/QUOTE]
and on a slightly different note here, i read this article the other day about how there's evidence that fetuses masturbate, which is a sin, which means that people are apparently hellbound before they're even born, which doesn't seem fair, which makes believing in god even more absurd now. so there you have it.
[QUOTE=alex cassun]and on a slightly different note here, i read this article the other day about how there's evidence that fetuses masturbate, which is a sin, which means that people are apparently hellbound before they're even born, which doesn't seem fair, which makes believing in god even more absurd now. so there you have it.[/QUOTE]
Um... not to be a stickler, but there's nothing that says masturbaiton is a sin. It's kinda like the line "Play it again Sam" being the most famous line from Casablanca, yet nobody says it in the actual movie. It's just not in there. This whole "Masturbaiton is a sin" thing probably came from the puritans, but they were obviously wrong.
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Fetuses masturbate? This is a most definite proof that there is a God.
[QUOTE=stoyan]On the other side, a child is a child, all of them the same. As soon as some years pass, however, the child becomes a person, and a person is not a person. My uncle's daughter. my cousine, she died when she was like 3 or something. And he said, that she was a person already, not just a doll anymore. It was really really sad.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I didn't articulate myself so well. I certainly consider children real people with their own distinctive personalities. It's just that when they die, they miss out on so much more "becoming" if that makes sense. I think it's because they are so intense and real that its sadder that they don't get to grow up and come into themselves.
That's very sad about your cousin, I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=ireLocus]Um... not to be a stickler, but there's nothing that says masturbaiton is a sin. It's kinda like the line "Play it again Sam" being the most famous line from Casablanca, yet nobody says it in the actual movie. It's just not in there. This whole "Masturbaiton is a sin" thing probably came from the puritans, but they were obviously wrong.[/QUOTE]
Onan, son of Judas, 'spilled his seed upon the ground' (unsure of quotation). That is said to be masturbation I think, but am not sure.
Why does every thread turn into a masterbation thread after cassun posts...
[QUOTE=mirkah]Yeah, I didn't articulate myself so well. I certainly consider children real people with their own distinctive personalities. It's just that when they die, they miss out on so much more "becoming" if that makes sense. I think it's because they are so intense and real that its sadder that they don't get to grow up and come into themselves.
That's very sad about your cousin, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]
That was long ago. I am past grief now, I think, I fear.
And yes, this purity, this intesity of potentiality I think is the major factor in determining a child's life as more valuable.
what about the crying dads on the news yelling 'where is america?' 'why isn't the world doing anything?' it's been THREE DAYS. we have to clean up after everything don't we?
Yeah i am sorry. It was me, i was playing Aenima thru christmas.
Learn to swim.
So...We are still going to die. Right?
[QUOTE=stoyan]Onan, son of Judas, 'spilled his seed upon the ground' (unsure of quotation). That is said to be masturbation I think, but am not sure.
Why does every thread turn into a masterbation thread after cassun posts...[/QUOTE]
It's nice to know the Cult can turn cataclysm into onanism. Go Cult!
I was here. Then I wasn't. Then I was again.
Learn to swim... man that's harsh... but funny nonetheless.
[QUOTE=big S]what about the crying dads on the news yelling 'where is america?' 'why isn't the world doing anything?' it's been THREE DAYS. we have to clean up after everything don't we?[/QUOTE]
Plus, like dude, we have a war to run...like, Hello??? Duh...
It took God 7 days to create the world and he had primordial ylem, all we have is nuclear fusion and Semtex, cut us some slack. We'll get to yo in due time.
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[QUOTE=stoyan]Learn to swim... man that's harsh... but funny nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
Got to love apathy. I mean is horrible, but so is the hundreds of death images we get bombarded with every day. It is only a matter of time when you don't really care for deaths far away or for headlines that make money out of updated death tolls.
So...We are still going to die. Right?
Yeah, same here really. Daily, the world's population increases by a netto of 100,000 people. So 80,000 deaths today don't really make much of a difference...
[QUOTE=stoyan]Yeah, same here really. Daily, the world's population increases by a netto of 100,000 people. So 80,000 deaths today don't really make much of a difference...[/QUOTE]
Unless you were the local mortuary service. You would be rolling in money for months to come. You don't even need a delivery service, all you need is a big big net...
So...We are still going to die. Right?
Damn... stop that cynism right there. I can see how in 20 years there'll be tons of jokes about all that... Like the holocaust jokes now.
[QUOTE=stoyan]Damn... stop that cynism right there. I can see how in 20 years there'll be tons of jokes about all that... Like the holocaust jokes now.[/QUOTE]
Sorry i just got flooded with ideas... 
So...We are still going to die. Right?
do you guys think that if the same wave had hit the East Coast of the US the death toll would be about the same?
has anyone heard from kl0pper?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]do you guys think that if the same wave had hit the East Coast of the US the death toll would be about the same?[/QUOTE]
No, because there is a warning system in place and there would have been ample time to evacuate.
[QUOTE=Xk3zofrenik]Unless you were the local mortuary service. You would be rolling in money for months to come. You don't even need a delivery service, all you need is a big big net...[/QUOTE]
Actually they are bulldozing bodies into mass graves to avert the Black Death and such.
I was here. Then I wasn't. Then I was again.
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]do you guys think that if the same wave had hit the East Coast of the US the death toll would be about the same?
has anyone heard from kl0pper?[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen him on Faux-Cult.
I was here. Then I wasn't. Then I was again.
[QUOTE=stoyan]Yeah, same here really. Daily, the world's population increases by a netto of 100,000 people. So 80,000 deaths today don't really make much of a difference...[/QUOTE]
yeah, tell that to 80,000 people. Hi there! You don't matter, people are being born all the time, BYE!! 
C'mon man, remember how you flipped out because you couldn't join the cult if it became pay? A messageboard? Why the fuck should anyone care about you? I mean, [b]22-30 people sign up for this place [i]every[/i] day.[/b]
Yet, someone (actually two different someones) thought, you as an individual were too valuable and special a member to lose. Should I PM and tell them, hey, whateveh, shitloads of fuckers join the site everyday, no loss.
I just don't get this cynical bullshit, this tossing around of statistics and Holocaust jokes like it doesn't matter that 80, 0000 people JUST DIED and multitudes more are left grieving and homeless and injured.
What the fuck???
it's a coping mechanism commonly employed by males.
they fear showing emotion so they do the rooster strut thing and make jokes to cover it up.
that's my theory
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]it's a coping mechanism commonly employed by males.
they fear showing emotion so they do the rooster strut thing and make jokes to cover it up.
that's my theory[/QUOTE]
I'm glad there is a reason of sorts because I am seriously full of rage and disgust right now. And I guess that's a chick thing to cover up grief.
Cost of Iraq War to Date- 15,000 civillian dead=147 Billion Dollars
US pledge to aid tsunami relief-100,000 civilian dead=35 Million dollars
Overpaying for confirmed kills in foreign lands=Priceless
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[QUOTE=mirkah]yeah, tell that to 80,000 people. Hi there! You don't matter, people are being born all the time, BYE!!
C'mon man, remember how you flipped out because you couldn't join the cult if it became pay? A messageboard? Why the fuck should anyone care about you? I mean, [b]22-30 people sign up for this place [i]every[/i] day.[/b]
Yet, someone (actually two different someones) thought, you as an individual were too valuable and special a member to lose. Should I PM and tell them, hey, whateveh, shitloads of fuckers join the site everyday, no loss.
I just don't get this cynical bullshit, this tossing around of statistics and Holocaust jokes like it doesn't matter that 80, 0000 people JUST DIED and multitudes more are left grieving and homeless and injured.
What the fuck???[/QUOTE]
It is Apathy Ms. Lola. You would see people in here jumping to make 10,000 threads of how They should sponsor someone rather than be moved by that tragedy and start a donation of some sort to help these people.
It is a way to cope with the fact that shitty things happen repetitively and the best thing to do is not care about it. This is of course a self-portrait because in these events the first thing that you think: what if it was me?
So people act in different ways. Even those who are "helping" in this situations are coping themselves, they help to no deal with the pain they see around them they have to detach just as well as any holocaust joke.
Of course i know that somehow you know this, you are a smart person, and the jokes and comments are not really intended to devalue those peoples lives.
So...We are still going to die. Right?
I woke up on Sunday morning to the news that a tsunami hit Southeast Asia and around 2,000 people were presumed dead. My jaw dropped. But that was all the information they had at that time so I went about my day. Later on at work, I was watching a football game when the commentator casually announced a much higher number. I became more saddened and a bit angry. What did he just say? That night I turned on the local news to find that the disaster was not the top story. Can anybody guess what it was? It was shopping. My jaw hit the floor. I was livid. I hate the media and its influence on culture. It doesn’t seem right to me that capitalism trumps the deaths of tens of thousands of people in a single day. But fuck it, it’s them not us so lets hype the mall. What bullshit.
By the way, focusing on children in this situation is like looking in a mirror and stressing over a zit when half of your face is missing.
[QUOTE=Parkaboy]Cost of Iraq War to Date- 15,000 civillian dead=147 Billion Dollars
US pledge to aid tsunami relief-100,000 civilian dead=35 Million dollars
Overpaying for confirmed kills in foreign lands=Priceless[/QUOTE]
And Canada has already agreed to sending $40 million in aid.
$35 million from the USA?
that is crap.
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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]And Canada has already agreed to sending $40 million in aid.
$35 million from the USA?
that is crap.[/QUOTE]
Hey, man...
We got a war to pay for.
War's don't pay for themselves, man...
They run themselves but they don't [I]pay[/I] for themsleves, man...
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The footage is incredible, I was watching cnn and a few others last night. It's just unbelievable. story here [url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/12/29/asia.quake/index.html[/url]
And sorry, but it was funny that they were reporting form Phuket last night. (it's pronounced poo-kay, but I bet that's not how you just read it.)
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