Those Wacky White Whackos or: The BNP/Neo-Fascist Question

People got to get obsessively compulsed with something. If it's not this, it's football, if it's not football, it's Harry Potter. and so on and so on.

Some of them like Harry Potter as well. Lord of the Rings too.

But check out the forums. As well as the above, they go into in-depth analysis of Jewish business tactics, phrenology and eugenics. They are experts of falsified theories.

I don't pay much attention to Euro politics, but wasn't Nicolas Sarkozy of France running on the same premise - deport, or at the very least subjugate the Islamic/north African immigrants? Now that the world is becoming more globalized immigration will continue to be a problem for many first world countries until we can get the third world countries on their feet. The problem with the racists is that they blame the immigrants rather than the conditions which forced them to migrate. Hell, it's a problem here in America and we're a country of immigrants.

That was pretty damn funny!

I've been hearing that his appearence has actually given their party a bit of a bump in popularity, supposedly it came off as if they were bullying him. I thought he seemed every bit as slimey you'd expect the leader of an overtly racist organisation to be. The thing is, because they're so used of dealing with issues of race and immigration they've developed a sort of practised spin and rhetoric that could easily convince ignorant listeners. For example, the point he made about how you can't talk about indiginous Britons, but you wouldn't criticise Maoris of Native Americans for claiming to be 'indiginous people'. It was completely irrelevent and total bollocks, but I could imagine it working on some people. I thought maybe it would have been better if they'd spoken about other policy issues and shown just how flimsy the BNP really is.

Oh yeah, and I thought they fell down a bit towards the end when they were discussing why the BNP has gained popularity recently. They were asking if it's due to the failing immigration policies of the current government, which I think is giving the BNP too much credit. I think it has far more to do with the economic crisis. When the economy is bad national politics often take a shift to the right, it was seen all over Europe during the recent elections, not just here.

It was a bit of a witch hunt at the beginning, but since he's a witch - tough shit really...

That said, I think Jack Straw also took a good beating too, especially in the second half re: immigration policies so for the Nick Griffin to cry the way he has been is quite amusing.

For example, the point he made about how you can't talk about indiginous Britons, but you wouldn't criticise Maoris of Native Americans for claiming to be 'indiginous people'. It was completely irrelevent and total bollocks, but I could imagine it working on some people.

You're right, and looking at the thick buggers wandering around Meadhowhall, most of them would nod in delight at this. What I thought when I heard him say that was - so is England going to take back all of the non-indigenous Australians and New Zealanders then? If he wants to kick out all non-indigenous, then Australia, NZ, the US etc etc will have a few million due back to the UK too...

I think it has far more to do with the economic crisis.

Completely agree, seen this before in the horrible times in the 70's when the NF were everywhere and people were skinheads. It's just the same now.

Overall, I'm glad I saw that question time and I have no fears that the odious little git will ever get near real power.

Hahah Stormfront.org. Synnove's husband used to troll that site on a regular basis, like once a month or so.

He said something like, "I really hope the government isn't actually monitoring my gooling, because it wouldn't look good for a Jew to be regularly visiting that site."

I recently infiltrated some meetings of far-right UK political groups, including the BNP. They were so keen to get me on their side and flirt, they didn't even question that I could be recording everything they said or was in fact a journalist.

And I thought Question Time was a bollocks, un-organised and a mostly wasted opportunity. No one asked Nick Griffin questions they didn't already didn't know the answer to, and the panel were pathetic.

The BNP are of no concern to people on the left and displaying them is a cheap right-wing ploy to get people to forget about mass privitization being endorsed by both of the major parties in this country. We live in Plutarchy and people should wake up to that fact and revolt. But they won't, because they're ignorant. Thatcher was a kitten compared to the policies endorsed by today's Labour and Conservative camps. And racism is just what stupid people do.

How silly I am! I forgot to share my own BNP story.
So, my course involves writing, and we had to do a journalistic investigation. My friend is half English half Bangladeshi and decided to investigate the BNP. After arranging a meeting with a councillor, she got nervous and asked me to come as a bodyguard.

The guy tried to come off as a typical "bloke down the pub" (he actually used that phrase to describe himself). My friend waited for his views to surface before she did the big reveal of her own nationality. He strained to keep a straight face, and calmly stated that yes, in his ideal state, she would be "encouraged" to go back to her home country.

The most disturbing thing was his use many times over of the phrase "true English blood". What the hell is it with extremists and blood?

People tend to generalize. It's as simple as that. It's a mechanism that's aided us in our evolution. The extensive difference in phenotype rather than genotype between what is historically known as "races" seems to create psychological schisms between ethnicities without any actual reason. So people tend to go with those that resemble their own. Anything else is subject to generalizations. So, obviously, if a white male always hangs out with other whites, and sees a person of a different ethnicity commit a crime, they're likely to believe all those in that ethnicity are prone to crime. Thankfully, what I perceive to be the majority has had the idea of equality pounded into them so they're less prone to prejudice behavior. These people have obviously not had this same upbringing.

But to answer your question more directly, these people are just scapegoating their problems and society's problems based on these generalizations, and they use their sense of what they perceive as justice to actively try and create a better world for themselves, which would otherwise be considered a positive thing. Too bad.

My housemate can "kind of see what they're on about". The weak and stupid will believe anything that blames people other than themselves for how shitty their lives are.

Plutarchy! ¡No pasarán!

Pretty much, yeah. Though surely revolting would be much more possible if there weren't racial tensions getting in the way.

There's no racial tension! I see hundreds of black, asian, middle-eastern and all sorts of people every time I walk down the mainstreet and they're quite simply going about their business. The only tensions are imaginary, they exist in television broadcasts and in the antics of an ignorant minority. Governments concentrate ethnic groups in single areas in order to present pockets of foreign culture and thus encourage ideas of division. People are the same the world over, starved and bullied and lied to and threatened with grotesque and subtle tortures for dissenting. Revolt is stemmed and dumbed through the media, owned by international corporations who are allowed to bribe, legally, Governments. A prime example of this is the current media bias towards the Conservative party in the UK. I'm in too much of a hurry to find sources, please feel free to go and search for this stuff yourself, but find the donation statements for the Conservative Party and match up the names, look into Rupert Murdoch and the shit he's done for David Cameron through family members, and what Cameron's received from other tycoons like Malcolm Scott. This is online, in the House of Commons Register of Financial Interest.

This is a quote, and the icing on the cake as to what a politican is legally obliged to inform us of:

CAMERON, Rt Hon David (Witney)

2. Remunerated employment, office, profession etc
Payment from HarperCollins Publishers, via Ed Victor Limited, for signature advance, delivery advance and hardback publication of 'Cameron on Cameron: Conversations with Dylan Jones'. All payments relating to this book will be donated to charity. (£10,001-£15,000) (Registered 3 September 2008)

5. Gifts, benefits and hospitality (UK)
To facilitate my travel in my capacity as Leader of the Opposition in the period covered by this Register I have received helicopter and private plane travel from the following:
JCB Research
Harris Ventures Ltd
IPGL Ltd
Henfield Lodge Aviation Ltd, London
William Cook Holdings, Sheffield
(The details of the travel provided have been provided to the office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards.)
16 August 2008, private plane from Farnborough to Istanbul for my wife and two children. Then from Istanbul to Santorini, and return to Dalaman, for myself, my wife and two children; provided by Matthew Freud [MURDOCH'S SON-IN-LAW], of London. (Registered 15 September 2008)
13 October 2008, helicopter from London to West Yorkshire and return, provided by Mr David Ross, of London. (Registered 29 October 2008)
7 November 2008, private plane from Glasgow to Gatwick, provided by Malcolm Scott, of Kirknewton, West Lothian. (Registered 2 December 2008)
In my capacity as Leader of the Conservative Party, I have accepted Honorary Membership for life of the Carlton Club.
My wife and I received tickets for the Conservative Party's 'Black and White Party' on 4 February 2009,paid for by Prince Rupert Loewenstein. (Registered 3 March 2009)
I have been given a decorative sterling silver casket by Lord and Lady Harris. (Registered 9 March 2009)
15 May 2009, private plane from Dundee to Oxford, provided by Malcolm Scott, of Kirknewton, West Lothian. (Registered 5 June 2009)

6. Overseas visits
28-31 January 2009, to Davos, Switzerland, to attend and participate in the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting. The World Economic Forum provided my conference pass, occasional car use in Davos (including airport transfers) and some hospitality. The return part of my journey was made by private plane from Altenrhein, Switzerland, to RAF Northolt, provided by IPGL Limited, London. (My outward journey was paid for by the Conservative Party.) UBS also provided occasional car use in Davos. (Registered 13 February 2009)

7. Overseas benefits and gifts
Following my official visit to Pakistan in September 2008, I have been given a rug by former Prime Minister of Pakistan, Mian Muhammad Nazaz Sharif, of the Pakistan Muslim League. (Registered 19 November 2008)
Gift of a Harrods hamper from the Sultan of Brunei. (Registered 18 December 2008)
Gift of a fountain pen and half-suite cufflinks and studs, provided by His Majesty Sheikh Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa, King of Bahrain. (Registered 6 May 2009)
Gift of a rug from President Asif Ali Zardari, President of Pakistan, following my meeting with him in May 2009. (Registered 12 June 2009)

While I agree with you about media bias, to say there's no racial tension is just your own experience talking. There's plenty of hatred around for people who are non-white, and even for people like me who are mixed race. I've had more than verbal abuse plenty of times and it's pretty ignorant to say otherwise.

I'm not doubting that there is racial tension - that first statement was stupid, and I do retract it. But would you define your abusers as an ignorant minority?

Incidentally, this coincides with some interesting telly coming up on Channel 4-

http://raceandscience.channel4.com/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2009/oct/24/charlie-brooker-scree...

Oh hell yes it's a minority - but as Mike & I said above, sadly as the economics deteriorate, the group is growing bigger. But nothing that makes me think the BNP have a real chance at any election.

Thanks Mike, I never watch telly normally so I miss this stuff. I'll look out for this, though.

What?!

i live by this motto:

"99.99% of all blacks think they are amazing because 99.99% of all blacks live by the motto "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bullsh*t."

does that make me black? and also, it's "if you can't BLIND them with brilliance...", not "dazzle".

This question goes more back to the situation with the Muslim community in Britain. Is it as bad as it seems, or is that being played up as well?

Ireland also just passed a law saying that Blasphemy, against ANY religion, was worthy of a fine. Freedom of Speech anyone? I know thats more unrelated, but these are the kind of things that the racist get their cannon fodder for, because they blame the muslims, rather than the retarded politicians.

Back on topic - the Daily Mail have been at it again...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/mediamonkeyblog/2009/oct/26/question-tim...

Maybe it's just the attitude of them that's fundamentally grating: that being white and American/British is somehow an oppressive life.

It is definitely as bad as slavery.

Untrue. I mean, it took forever (like literally a hundred years), but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Sioux_Nation_of_Indians

"On June 30, 1980, the Supreme Court upheld an award of $105 million to eight tribes of Sioux Indians as compensation ($17.1 million for the market value of the land in 1877 and $88 million in 5% per annum simple interest between 1877 and 1980),[8] but the court did not award land. This compensation was declined, however, because acceptance would legally terminate Sioux demands for return of the land; accruing compound interest on the settlement has brought the value of the claim to over $400 million as of 2008[update]."

There is an excellent book on the subject called "Black Hills, White Justice", by Edward Lazarus, the son of one of the Sioux Nation's lawyers.

The "White mans time is running out" and racist Whites worry about it because they fear what will happen to them when Whites no longer rule the world. You know, Karma, payback for all the fucked up shit their ancestors have done.
They are also aware of the fact that within a very short period of time, there will no longer be any blue eyed, blond haired people. That gene is too rare and with all the interracial relationsips, marriages and children, the ("White") gene fades even more.
A Race war is innevitable. These people hold rallies attended by thousands, right here in America. The nazi movement is huge world wide. The Civil War confederates, the nazis, these people will never learn.

So you're saying that we're responsible for the shit that our ancestors did? This isn't the Old Testament. You and I live in the US, one of the most overt meritocracies that ever existed. Fuck me if I'm going to be held responsible for the sins of my father. The only thing I think should be permanently visited upon me by my ancestors is my blonde hair and blue eyes.

Have fun with your race war, Charles Manson. Jesus.

You're right Jane, we shouldn't be blamed, and yet there are plenty of minorities who hate white people because of the things that happened in the past. It's not a majority, but its enough to make people think that way. I, for one, have some fear about being the victim of retaliation. Now, I should probably have a little more faith in my fellow humans, but I also realize most people are more likely to be violent than I am. I can't even be violent in dreams.

Chris, if you walk around all the time thinking that all minorities are looking for an opportunity to victimize you, that's just a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I know. It's not exactly something I'm proud of, and I think it's got far more to do with my inability to fight, than with race and whatnot. It happens around tough looking white people in groups as well.

That way, I can walk down the street, twirling my billy club, whistling and dancing, having a gay old time.

Then, if they front, I'll break their nose.

You're right, it was these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_de_Villiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Le_Pen

There is an element of the jobless and uneducated in every society and has been for decades. This group sees a 'wrong' and isnt smart enough to figure out the root causes. They fall for the easy way out which is 'blame'.
This is why its easy to recruit this mindset into terrorist groups orso called 'political' movements.

It's been my experience that most minorities find hating white people to be hypocritical. When 9/11 happened most of the people I knew who opposed profiling Muslims were black. I knew a lot of people who considered profiling to be immoral on 9/10 and a necessity on 9/11, but almost all of those people were white.

I'm have blonde hair and blue eyes but I'm not worried about retaliation when whites fall into the minority. For one, our unjust economic system will ensure that the majority of those with money will still be white. But even if social mobility were a reality in America, I wouldn't worry about being oppressed as a minority because current minority groups are more concerned with equality than vengeance. Usually when a minority hates white people it has less to do with what our ancestors have done than it does with institutional racism that exists today. Because there is no real social mobility and minorities tend to be poor, the system in place ensures that they remain poor.

Also again, there will never be an all out race war. At least not in any forseeable future. Because you're never going to find a multitude of people willing to die for something as goofy as race. The worse it'll ever get is the lone nut taking out a bunch of innocent people.

First of all, my kids have White blood in them. Scarecrow seemed to either be wondering or asking why the Neo-Fascist do what they do, say what they say or believe what they believe and I was simply giving MY opinion as to why. I had a good friend that WAS a skin head and he taught me alot about the fascist movement. These people AREN'T BULLSHITTING. They have an agenda and unless they're plan is foiled, there will eventually be a race war (if the fascist have their way).

But yeah, nazis LOST the civil war(?), I blame ALL White people for what their ancestors did, praise charles manson, jesus, hitler, malcom x and anyone else that that supports segregation. I mean, why in the hell would I ever wanna see my kids again, they have White blood, I shoulda just killed em at birth.

OK, here we go.
Scarecrow asked: "It genuinely baffles me. It's probably my background, that I've luckily not been exposed to many people with such rabid views. And I'm not even curious about what the views are, so much as why? How does someone become concerned, convinced and then fervent about these causes?"

Unless by "war" he means a small group of idiots getting themselves arrested/killed, I must agree. These guys may have an agenda, but so did Manson, and look how well that went. . .

Anyway, how would they conduct a "race war" when most white people would side with the minorities? Overt racists are an insignificantly small percentage of the population and only a small percentage of those would risk their life/freedom for their silly cause. I wouldn't mind if the KKK tried to start a war, it would be great to see those assholes go to jail.

Well he did say 'if the facists have their way'.

Even a small group of idiots could cause alot of damage. The members of Al' Qaeda are only a small percentage of the Muslim population as a whole, but they sure can do alot of damage. There's a white supremacist headquater on the East Coast where they keep all the merchandise they sell and that generates millions of dollars. You can buy a lot of dangerous weapons with that kind of $.
I don't find anything silly about any of it. These mofos are true terrorist and all it'll take is for one of them to step up and become the next hitler and that's a very real possibility.
By the way, for a good time check out the Amazing Racist on Youtube (if they haven't removed all his vids yet or again). He's Jew and he's fucking hilarious.