the pill..for men

Not the abortion pill.

There's supposed to be another pill that you take within 72 hours two prevent pregnancy.

Please excuse my ignorance if I am wrong.

[URL=http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7133/pill.html]Here's a quick link i found[/URL]

You are talking about Plan B or Prevent. They help prevent pregnancy by acting like the birth control pill, only after the fact. And pretty darn effective. You go from an 8% chance of pregnancy to a 1% chance. Although long term side effects aren't known, and they pack a mean suitcase of side-effects. Why do you ask?

just gettin' the word out I guess.

If you have a penis and a vagina, should you take both?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by alene [/i]
[B]Logic? Reasoning? Do I understand this correctly? According to your "logic", it is better for her to suffer than you. According to your "reasoning", women want to hold you responsible for the things that happen to their body. What a line of shit, Brock. Come on. You are better than that. Blah blah blah mankind is selfish blah blah blah. If you could take a shot once in a while with little or no side effect to help prevent the women you fuck from getting breast cancer, and you won't do it, you are just an ass. Logic and reasoning has nothing to do with it. And I don't care if you are an ass, but don't try to pass it off as logical thinking. No one holds you responsible for the mess that is a womans body, and quite frankly, I don't give a shit if the guys I date know anything about what I go through. I don't want your bullshit sympathy, but I would appreciate it if you were willing to help out just a bit. I mean, it is not like it hurts you. It is a lot cheaper than a fucking baby. Yet, in your hackneyed little mind you see that as all the womans job. Let her deal with pregnancy and preventing it. Logic according to Brock says: fuck her and her pain. Fucking women. Deal with life on your own time... now, spread 'em baby.

It's a man thing, is it? Sounds a lot like a cop out rather than logic and reasoning. Once again. [/B][/QUOTE]

Come on now, alene... you and I both know that if men were women and women were men, that you could and would care less about my period and my birth control side effects and yeah, when I'm feeling not-so-fresh and stuff... I mean, what about Brock's hot-flashes? Where's sympathy for Brock's cramping? How come no one runs to the store and buys me any tampons when I'm riding the crimson time?

Again, I don't get this whole "little or no logic" about side effects... weare talking about a drug that has not been sufficiently tested, at least not in my opinion. I mean, everyday new and improved fucked-up side effects appear from drugs released ten and twenty years ago. Sure, if we lived in a perfect world and this perfect drug came along that alleviated all of womankinds pain and earthly purgatory of the flesh, I'd slap on that patch or take a syringe to the crotch, but this world is not perfect, as you very well know, and to ask me to take something basically untested to any degree, is like asking a woman to take something untested to make her tits bigger so men will like her more... it's a symptom and a side effect of unreasonable society, a society which I nevertheless embrace as my own, but a messed-up one nonetheless... I mean, you assume it doesn't hurt me, but the facts are conveniently not there... who can say? So a study or two says something... big deal... what about 5 years down the road when those guys develop breasts or testicular shrinkage or any number of strins of hermaphroditistic mutation. My overreaction is no better than your underreaction. You don't know and I don't know, and I ain't playing guinea pig with my body when there's already a good alternative on the market that works, and yeah, I fel for women who suffer because of being the ones who take the drugs in many cases, but that's life and life's unfair and so am I because I live...

I really don't mind you going on and on about how I think women should take all the responsibility and how "little' my 'hackneye" is, mistress of verbal subtlety and subterfuge... as I know none of it to be true. I take care of business in the bedroom and do what I can to prevent pregnancy albeit safe sex, which of course has its risks, but the only other 100-percent alternative at this time is to become sexually amoebic and never share bodily fluids, and I'm just not ready for that kind of prevention...

You know, this isn't even really a gender issue so much as it is an issue of self-survival. Man or woman, doesn't matter to me, I'm here to survive and live until I die, and I can't cure the world's problems and I can't stop disease and poverty and famine and all the bad shit in the world, so I take care of me... and yeah, I'm selfish, but you're kidding yourself if you think you're not... I mean, I'll wash your feet with my hair no matter how much of a whore you are... that's just the jesus in me...

^ always goes back to the "I'm selfish and so are you" statement.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Maddetchke Malorkus [/i]
[B]^ always goes back to the "I'm selfish and so are you" statement. [/B][/QUOTE]

Why not? It's what it all boils down to. It's at the heart of the matter. I'm told I'm little and close-minded and a jerk for not wanting to subjegate my body for another human being of the opposite sex. I'm told I'm an asshole for 'copping out' and not bending over and taking my medicine because it's not fair and everyone should have to experience childbirth and what-not. You want bullshit? That's bullshit. Bullshit is telling me I'm "bad", as in "not good", not as in "bad is good"... all because I don't want to take a pill. This has nothing to do with responsibility. It has to do with guilt trips, and that makes her selfish, telling me that I should feel bad because I don't want to share the pain. That's the fucking bullshit...

Here's what I thought alene was saying; that if the pill for men was equal to the pill for women in it's range of side effects and risk, that a man should be just as responsible in his choice to take it, as women are in their choice to take pills now.

You not wanting to take a pill is the same as not wanting to put up with any extra discomfort for the sake of pregnancy prevention. As if pregnancy prevention is something you will do if it is convenient and easy and won't affect your body when not in the act of fucking.

THAT makes you sound like an asshole. It does because it makes you sound more selfish than people who are willing to go to lengths for a sexual partner and be in it together, be responsible together, for what you're doing together.

I mean, to say that everyone is as selfish as you are, and that that excuses selfish behavior, is a complete denial of the fact that people can try to transcend, or be better than the next person.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Maddetchke Malorkus [/i]
[B]Here's what I thought alene was saying; that if the pill for men was equal to the pill for women in it's range of side effects and risk, that a man should be just as responsible in his choice to take it, as women are in their choice to take pills now.

You not wanting to take a pill is the same as not wanting to put up with any extra discomfort for the sake of pregnancy prevention. As if pregnancy prevention is something you will do if it is convenient and easy and won't affect your body when not in the act of fucking.

THAT makes you sound like an asshole. It does because it makes you sound more selfish than people who are willing to go to lengths for a sexual partner and be in it together, be responsible together, for what you're doing together.

I mean, to say that everyone is as selfish as you are, and that that excuses selfish behavior, is a complete denial of the fact that people can try to transcend, or be better than the next person. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, you read alene differently than I. I didn't think she was being theoretical about the drug having the same exact benefits and side effects of the current 'pill'... in fact, she admitted in the other pill thread that it has not been tested much and the side effects are not for sure yet... and maybe I'm an asshole, but I already put up with wearing rubbers, which sucks, but nonetheless must be done... you over simplify this shit... you say that men can 'transcend' by acting like women and are better than other men by doing what women do... feminist propaganda at best...

See, I take offense to the fact that you assume that men aren't being as responsible as women are... that's nonsense. It takes a dick and a vagina to make babies. I don't blame rising underage/teenage pregnancy rates on men. I blame it on silly girls who are irresponsible or think they are in love or listen to bullshit told to them by hornyimmature boys or older, wiser men who are irresponsible. We're in the same boat here. There is no 50-50 in this world. In fact the main reason I believe men should not have to take the exact same responsibility as women in this department is because it's friggin' impossible. I'm absolutely sick and tired of women wanting everything equal with men. I mean, there is no same pay. There is no same benefits. It's all illogical confusion manifested as impossible possibility. In theory it's all fucking peachy dandy wonderful... in reality, it's something that will never happen... in fact, I already thinkwomen have it better than men as it stands... and in twenty years, men will be obsolete... we're almost obsolete as it is... hell, it's all clitoral in nature. The clitoris has evolved to create the most pleasure near the entrance to the vagina, and anything much deeper doesn't much matter anyways, so virtually women don't even need penises to be sexually vibrant and healthy, and with artificial insemination being almost perfected, or like I said, will be in ten to twenty years, not to mention the number of sexual devices already on the market to simulate men without all our bullshit, other than programming your vcr, you'll all be lesbian slavemasters by the time I'm in my late-40's, so it's like why change things now as far as birth control goes? Just speeds up the entire emasculation process. Just makes men slaves to women that much faster. It's like The Planet of the Apes... and you're the apes... and I'm just Chuck Heston in a loincloth barking at the statue of liberty sticking out of the beach...

I am coming in on this thread late. But I will state things on the record.
I am a single father.
I need sex regardless of outcomes.
Package the pill up like M & Ms and I will eat them all day everyday.

I AGREE WITH IT!

I'VE BEEN MARRIED AND USE WHORES!

I THINK WEB COMICS SUCK!

(but really. i think the pill for men is a swell idea, for reasons already eloquently stated here)

now if only my boyfriend (pictured below) felt the same way.

Brock You're being ridiculous now. It doesn't matter if women need men for babies or to move furniture or to stimulate them. Women love men, and I don't see how that could ever change. It's biological, it's pheromones and hormones all twisted up inside the complex structure of what makes a female body. I believe lesbians really love other women, but is lesbianism a mutation that will gradually become the norm? I don't think there are more lesbians now than there used to be.

Anyway, about men being responsible for sex. I'm not saying men and women should all do the same things. It's just that, if I were in a sexual relationship with someone, I'd feel hurt if he refused to do what I would do for him. To make sacrifices for me, that corresponded in discomfort to the level of sacrifices I would make for him...or for us, I should say.

And as for people not in steady relationships, girls often take the pill for back-up reassurance, just in case. So it's not like they're pressured to take it. Men wouldn't be either, if the pill for men was comparable to the one for women. So it's not even an issue. If he chose not to, then that's his issue and his choice and he's no more of an asshole than a woman would be who also relied on just condoms and spermicide.

[QUOTE]Women love men, and I don't see how that could ever change. It's biological, it's pheromones and hormones all twisted up inside the complex structure of what makes a female body. I believe lesbians really love other women, but is lesbianism a mutation that will gradually become the norm? I don't think there are more lesbians now than there used to be. [/QUOTE]

WHHHHHHAAAAAAA?????

and is it just me...or is taking the pill really THAT big of a deal...sure there are some possible side effects, but i've seen none. and women are going to retain water regardless of if they've taken the pill or not...its not that big of a deal.

what do you mean whaaaaaaaa?

Brock said men will become obsolete to women, and I say nay nay.

And you're right, taking the pill is not that big a deal to most people. In fact, a lot of girls take it even though they're not sexually active because it makes their periods more regular, and also over time it prevents breast cancer. Risk of blood clots is significantly increased if you smoke. Women who take the pill are encouraged not to smoke.

I don't take the pill now. I took it for two years, didn't experience any side effects. My periods are still as light and regular as they were when I was on the pill. Sorry for the disclosure.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Maddetchke Malorkus [/i]
[B]Brock You're being ridiculous now. It doesn't matter if women need men for babies or to move furniture or to stimulate them. Women love men, and I don't see how that could ever change. It's biological, it's pheromones and hormones all twisted up inside the complex structure of what makes a female body. I believe lesbians really love other women, but is lesbianism a mutation that will gradually become the norm? I don't think there are more lesbians now than there used to be.

Anyway, about men being responsible for sex. I'm not saying men and women should all do the same things. It's just that, if I were in a sexual relationship with someone, I'd feel hurt if he refused to do what I would do for him. To make sacrifices for me, that corresponded in discomfort to the level of sacrifices I would make for him...or for us, I should say.

And as for people not in steady relationships, girls often take the pill for back-up reassurance, just in case. So it's not like they're pressured to take it. Men wouldn't be either, if the pill for men was comparable to the one for women. So it's not even an issue. If he chose not to, then that's his issue and his choice and he's no more of an asshole than a woman would be who also relied on just condoms and spermicide. [/B][/QUOTE]

Redicurous... not ridiculous...

Pheremones... hormones... attraction to men... yeah, all those things will be bottled and sold as pills and fragrances and the smell of rubber dildo's will become all the rage. Thanks for thought, ya know, about how men will be needed and wanted and all that, but you're not a very good liar for a fembot... besides, perhaps lesbian is not the right term... more like diet lesbian... or man-free phospherescent femininity... because I do see a world of women living with other women and ruling over men and I see men in rags all sweaty and covered in soot working the chocolate mines... with giant amazonian women whipping them when they fall, forcing labor out of them from morning until night so that women the world over can get their fix... and yeah, I imagine the women in futuristic highrises, all wearing form-fitted see-through latex-unitards so that the slobbering, incoherent, monosyllabic man-hordes drool and postulate and seep seminal discharge at the lightest wave of a red wonder woman hooker boot... and yeah, it's frightening, but like some once said that slavery would never be abolished for black slaves, you say that women will never transcend the need for men... and it sucks being useless and phallic, so I live it up for the moment and try not to think of what the future holds in store for us testosterone-riddled freaks...

You said something interesting about how you would be hurt if you were in a relationship and the man didn't do what you would do for them. THAT, I don't get. First off, what relationship have you ever been in that both of you did exactly the same thing... trade-offs and compromise-wise and all? I mean, that's not a relationship. That's something else. Relationships, at least not healthy ones, are not based on "hey, I did this, now you must do this if you really love me"... that's just plain abuse. I mean, we all give and take and it's never gonna be even, and even if it could be even, who would want that? It would ruin most of what makes a relationship worth having. Not to mention the whole sex thing as sexual pleasure is selfish in nature, and to deny oneself that selfishness is to deny oneself fulfillment of the pleasurable sort. Someone always has to give and someone always has to take. These roles change at times, but generally, one must stick with one or the other a majority of the time in order to make things work properly...

I like your last paragraph. Thank you for talking about both sexes...

i believe that although the majority of women and men in the world are heterosexual...that doesn't exahaust the possibility of lesbian women and gay men. look at my boyfriend (pictured below) for christ's sake. clearly a homo. but equating his or anyones homosexuality to a mutation i believe is not correct.

that is what the WWWWHHHHAAAAA???? meant.

I was not equating homosexuality with a mutation. My question "is lesbianism a mutation that will gradually become the norm?" was a question, not a statement, and it was rhetorical. Brock's suggestion that (what I thought was his suggestion) women wouldn't need men for sexual happiness in the future, sounded like he was suggesting that over time women would have less sexual desire for men, and THAT sounded like he was saying all women would become lesbians, as if sexuality were a mutation.

a) why is that guy 'clearly a homo'?

4) why does man-free woman mean lesbian?

If you know the answer to either or wish to expound on either, then you clearly are getting paid too much at your job...

Rosie O' Donnell ~ Now Man-Free!

the guy (my boyfriend, ted as he is now called) is clearly a homo because i found him by doing a google image search for "gay porn".

Who hasn't?

[img]http://www.a-gay-christian-testimony.com/pridepair2001.jpg[/img]

I think that Maddy has covered all my bases, here... but I am still going to jump in.

Brock, you are not listening. I never said that people are not selfish and that you should care about what happens to women. I said just the opposite. So before you go off on a mini-series, maybe you should be reading what I say a little more closely, because you are wasting our time.

Of course we don't know the side-effects long term of male birth control. But when that was the case for female birth control, we women went ahead with it anyway. So why should it be any different for men? What makes your precious biology so much more important than ours? Oh I know. Because you can still rely on women to take the responsibility, and somewhere deep down inside, some people still just think birth control is a womans problem. It isn't. Maddy hit it on the head when she said "if the pill for men was equal to the pill for women in it's range of side effects and risk, that a man should be just as responsible in his choice to take it, as women are in their choice to take pills now." That is exactly it. Yes, I am aware that we do not have all of the information right now, but that is not the point. It is all theory at this point, because as I have already stated, I wouldn't even want my boyfriend to take birth control. Still, I would be a bit upset if he wasn't willing to. It is a principle. I don't disagree that it is a scary prospect, but does that mean we should just bag it and leave it back up to the girls?

I fail to see how it really isn't the girls responsibility. Today I drove myself to PP, took the shot by myself, paid by myself with the money I earned by myself and drove myself back to work. I don't see how the guy I slept with took any part in the process except maybe giving me reason to do all of that. Most girls I know do this. That is the reality. Sex is the responsibility of men and women. Birth control isn't. Unless the man is using a condom, it becomes the womans problem - and the condom isn't all that reliable. So if you want nearly foolproof protection, it is back up to the girl. Now we have an alternative, but you just are not willing to accept it. I am not trying to change that, because I just don't care. But I worry that your mentallity may be quite prevalent in society, although maybe a bit more concealed. Heaven help us.

are you in a committed relationship? if not, then you are wholly responsible, methinks.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by alene [/i]
[B]I think that Maddy has covered all my bases, here... but I am still going to jump in.

Brock, you are not listening. I never said that people are not selfish and that you should care about what happens to women. I said just the opposite. So before you go off on a mini-series, maybe you should be reading what I say a little more closely, because you are wasting our time.

Of course we don't know the side-effects long term of male birth control. But when that was the case for female birth control, we women went ahead with it anyway. So why should it be any different for men? What makes your precious biology so much more important than ours? Oh I know. Because you can still rely on women to take the responsibility, and somewhere deep down inside, some people still just think birth control is a womans problem. It isn't. Maddy hit it on the head when she said "if the pill for men was equal to the pill for women in it's range of side effects and risk, that a man should be just as responsible in his choice to take it, as women are in their choice to take pills now." That is exactly it. Yes, I am aware that we do not have all of the information right now, but that is not the point. It is all theory at this point, because as I have already stated, I wouldn't even want my boyfriend to take birth control. Still, I would be a bit upset if he wasn't willing to. It is a principle. I don't disagree that it is a scary prospect, but does that mean we should just bag it and leave it back up to the girls?

I fail to see how it really isn't the girls responsibility. Today I drove myself to PP, took the shot by myself, paid by myself with the money I earned by myself and drove myself back to work. I don't see how the guy I slept with took any part in the process except maybe giving me reason to do all of that. Most girls I know do this. That is the reality. Sex is the responsibility of men and women. Birth control isn't. Unless the man is using a condom, it becomes the womans problem - and the condom isn't all that reliable. So if you want nearly foolproof protection, it is back up to the girl. Now we have an alternative, but you just are not willing to accept it. I am not trying to change that, because I just don't care. But I worry that your mentallity may be quite prevalent in society, although maybe a bit more concealed. Heaven help us. [/B][/QUOTE]

"Suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence" ... 1 timothy 2:12

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by framstedt [/i]
[B]are you in a committed relationship? if not, then you are wholly responsible, methinks. [/B][/QUOTE]

No, and entirely true. But I can concede that it is more of a joint effort when in a committed relationship.

Brock.... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by alene [/i]
[B]No, and entirely true. But I can concede that it is more of a joint effort when in a committed relationship.

Brock.... :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Brock lose thought train... Brock need more alene picture... and a wetnap...

Shut the fuck up you homo.

Live, little thread. Live. So, any of you new kids have an opinion? What with this option becoming more and more of an option.

I wouldn't want to take a pill for men.

Not because I think it's bad, or there's anything wrong with the idea--I'm just forgetful, and I hear that's not a good thing to be when attempting to maintain a steady regimen of medication.

*ahem*

Femidom.

*hides*

Let me guess. You are going to say something that you know will get a reaction and then not back it up with anything more than "You won't understand and I don't want to shed blood explaining it to you."

the other pill for men.
[img]http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Mar-24-Mon-2003/photos/lifestyle.jpg[/img]

i think this pill actually would even out the playing field when it comes to reproduction. it puts a greater chance for the male in a relationship to be able to control his progeny with the same amount of privacy (meaning the condom is pretty much the guy's only other option) that the female has.
i think that the opinion many of the male members in the early stages of this thread is pretty full of BS. you can cry about how men don't do commitment, or how guys would be afraid of how it would affect their size or ability (steroroids pretty much make that argument bunk), but it doesn't negate the fact that this gives equality of reproduction and control over it.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trypdwyre [/i]
[B]i think this pill actually would even out the playing field when it comes to reproduction. it puts a greater chance for the male in a relationship to be able to control his progeny with the same amount of privacy (meaning the condom is pretty much the guy's only other option) that the female has.
i think that the opinion many of the male members in the early stages of this thread is pretty full of BS. you can cry about how men don't do commitment, or how guys would be afraid of how it would affect their size or ability (steroroids pretty much make that argument bunk), but it doesn't negate the fact that this gives equality of reproduction and control over it. [/B][/QUOTE]

So far, the argument "for" seems to be something like this... from women, gay men and uptight librarians:

"It's about damn time! There are so many kinds of contraceptives available, but the ones most commonly used by women... mainly for convenience, I believe... are those that involve having a foreign object implanted into us, surgery, or altering our hormonal makeup via pill, patch, or shot. The men have had it easy for way too long! "come on baby, it doesn't feel the same with a condom on!"... "Oh Yeah!? Well swelling for nine months, and then having your pelvis split apart to deliver the unplanned baby doesn't feel natural either buddy!"...I say bring it on!"

[img]http://www.imgmag.com/images/lyoness/MessagexGifs/ByTheBalls.gif[/img]

Feminism and the anti-family anti-population movement are working together...

By using birth-control you are just giving them what they want...

If women say a fetus is their property once they get pregnant with your sperm, then I want complete and absolute control over my sperm... or so my femme-bot creators have made me thunk...

Yech. It's not even pills. It's implants and quarterly injections.

I dunno about you people, but I know very few guys who would remeber they have to get an injection after three months, meaning it would just be another thing your girl would be nagging you and reminding you of.

Andthink about it... do we really need the male population to be moody and erratic like the female population is?

By the way, I'm Xi. Nice to meet you all.

Hi Xi, I'm Rohan, overweight middle-aged Panamanian banker.

There are two things that I'm left thinking about after reading all this (unfortunate I missed the thread when it went past the first time, too...)

One is that this could also be looked at the other way - that it puts more power in the male court. Rather than looking at it like it's going to pushed on us, look at it as a way of taking some control. I say this, in particular, after seeing a surprisingly large number of girls actually [i]using[/i] pregnancy, whether real or not, to control and manipulate their partners. In one case, a girl I met at a party the other year had deliberately gone off the pill without telling her partner, because she was worried about losing him. And this wasn't a girl who I'd have actually picked right off the bat as a controlling, manipulative bitch. Which was worrying...

The next bit is rather more annoying, but is also in (as usual, for me) the field of power. The simple reality of things in a legal sense (at least down here, I'd imagine it's similar up there in the US) is that the girl has [b]all the power in the world[/b] when it comes to the child. If she wants to keep it, the guy has no choice. If she wants to get money off him, she can. If she wants to raise the child on her own... well, irrespective of the guy's wishes, it will take little or no effort to make a court see things 'her way' and give her custody.

Any way of denying some loose nut that opportunity is good.

Hey, look... I'm off topic, as usual...

But anyway, to finish up my rant, I'll just say this - screw that shit, as good as it is in theory there's no fucking way I'm getting an injection, unless I'm dating Natalie Portman or something.

Besides, you could always lie about it, right? You could always just TELL the girl you take birth control, right?

Sure, why not.

I know plenty of girls who do.

... or go on it, and eventually go off it without telling her.

You're getting the idea, Maddie

I don't like that idea very much, though.

Girls are forgetful too, they skip pills and carelessly take them incorrectly. Guys, please don't think you have the monopoly on stupidity and forgetfulness.

I would just think, for all you players out there, all you Libras, it would be comforting to know that you had some kind of reassurance that you're not going to knock some girl up. If she tries to step to you in a few months shoving her protruding belly button in your face with an open hand towards your wallet, you can know for absolute sure she's a liar too.

A comforting thought. Almost worth the injection.

See, put a "don't let them fuck you over" spin on something, and it's just so much more pleasant a thought.

Yeah, I see the pill for men as a way of protecting themselves more than protecting their partner. That's mostly why my girl friends who take the pill: for themselves, not for their boyfriends. Do you really want to have a kid, pay child support, or live with the chick having an abortion? I know I wouldn't. So just do us all a favor and take the damn man pill.

Yeah. By that token, I don't want even the [i]chance[/i] of some psycho who I slept with because she was really cute trying to fuck me out of my rightful earnings.

Although, reading Brock's rants... I'm thinking of becoming a masculinist, just in case we get shipped to the chocolate mines or whatever the fuck he said.

Are you saying you [i]don't[/i] want to go to a chocolate mine? Because personally, I think that would be pretty cool.

Also, the pill for men should henceforth be referred to as "the man pill."

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jane s. [/i]
[B]Also, the pill for men should henceforth be referred to as "the man pill." [/B][/QUOTE]

Why?

Should the pill for women be "the woman pill"?

Oh, I get it... this is like a reference to Comedy Central and The Man Show or something...

Righteous dudette...

Ooh, Snap!

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rohan [/i]
[B]One is that this could also be looked at the other way - that it puts more power in the male court. Rather than looking at it like it's going to pushed on us, look at it as a way of taking some control. I say this, in particular, after seeing a surprisingly large number of girls actually [i]using[/i] pregnancy, whether real or not, to control and manipulate their partners. In one case, a girl I met at a party the other year had deliberately gone off the pill without telling her partner, because she was worried about losing him. And this wasn't a girl who I'd have actually picked right off the bat as a controlling, manipulative bitch. Which was worrying...

The next bit is rather more annoying, but is also in (as usual, for me) the field of power. The simple reality of things in a legal sense (at least down here, I'd imagine it's similar up there in the US) is that the girl has [b]all the power in the world[/b] when it comes to the child. If she wants to keep it, the guy has no choice. If she wants to get money off him, she can. If she wants to raise the child on her own... well, irrespective of the guy's wishes, it will take little or no effort to make a court see things 'her way' and give her custody. [/B][/QUOTE]
nicely said rohan. it does give more power to males. in fact it would be a good option for a person like me. i have a daughter, and don't really want another child just yet. if my wife decided to just up and have a child, she could make that happen without me being any wiser on the matter. this way it evens out the playing field. i think a lot of guys, should they actually understand what it is for, would be more than happy to take it.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trypdwyre [/i]
[B]nicely said rohan. it does give more power to males. in fact it would be a good option for a person like me. i have a daughter, and don't really want another child just yet. if my wife decided to just up and have a child, she could make that happen without me being any wiser on the matter. this way it evens out the playing field. i think a lot of guys, should they actually understand what it is for, would be more than happy to take it. [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, I agree, a lot of men like you who are worried their wives will make them get a vasectomy because their wives don't want to take birth control or get fixed themseles, well, yes, those married people will sympathize and love the idea of chemical castration. You don't know the facts. It's a new medicine. Medicine's with 5, 10, even 20 years research have deadly side effects they find out later. Could fuck up so you can never procreate. Might take away your sex drive... think about it.. dead sperms equal less libido in my book. Sperm with no sperm power, useless sperm equals lower testosterone... lower sex drive... this is why men get hormone therapy from doctors. What if? You just do not know. Don't say you do because you don't. Who needs an even playing field? What's so even about it? It's not even... there is no male/female demilitarized zone. Women don't want equality. They want men to play on their terms by their rules. Like I said the other day... my impression of male/female equality... Woman: "I'm as tough as you. Ouch! Don't hit so hard"...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trypdwyre [/i]
[B]nicely said rohan. it does give more power to males. in fact it would be a good option for a person like me. i have a daughter, and don't really want another child just yet. if my wife decided to just up and have a child, she could make that happen without me being any wiser on the matter. this way it evens out the playing field. i think a lot of guys, should they actually understand what it is for, would be more than happy to take it. [/B][/QUOTE]

It's a good option for emasculated men whose wives tell them what to do. Only emasculated men use phrases like "even playing field". Only male feminists use stuff like that. Seriously, you should be on Oprah, on one of those shows where the women teach their husbands to behave and how to talk and the men say "I'm so much happier now." like the good little boys mommy made them...