The most disturbing thing Ive heard in years.
Pharmacist Refuses Birth Control Prescription in North Richland Hills, Texas
By Ben Tinsley, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Texas Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News
Mar. 31--NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, Texas - A CVS pharmacist refused to fill a woman's birth-control-pill prescription this week, the second time this year that a Metroplex-area druggist has withheld a prescribed contraceptive because of personal beliefs.
Julee Lacey, 32, a Keller district first-grade teacher with two young children, said she was astounded when the pharmacist came to the drive-in window of the CVS on Precinct Line Road on Sunday night and refused to fill what Lacey believed was a routine prescription that she had had filled many times.
"She told me she did not personally believe in birth control and said that's why she wasn't going to fill the prescription," Lacey said. "She told me there was a Walgreens down the street I could go to that could help me. I told her I didn't have the time to go there and set up a new account, and she said she couldn't help me."
the rest is here [url]http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8322175.htm?1c[/url]
That's preatty disturbing stuff. I wonder if the Christian right are against condoms too. I would very upset if this happened to me and I was a female. I wonder if that would work If a vegan tried that at Fast food restaurant.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
there are no words that can translate my facial reaction to this ^stuff.
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]
That's preatty disturbing stuff. I wonder if the Christian right are against condoms too. I would very upset if this happened to me and I was a female. I wonder if that would work If a vegan tried that at Fast food restaurant.[/QUOTE]
thats Catholics guy. the Pope dont dig plastic.
life's pretty straight without vidalia :You_Rock_
This is what happens when you tolerate Christianity.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
Actually, it's not just Catholics. Certain sects of the Christian Right are also anti-birth control. The Right For Life people (the same ones loitering outside every Family Planning clinic in America) are very hush-hush about it, but their agenda, [b]as stated by thier founder and president[/b], after they've outlawed abortion, is to get to work on outlawing birth control. I mean, who are we to question the Will of God?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]How about this:
[B]A pregnant woman who allegedly ignored medical warnings to have a Caesarean section to save her twins was charged Thursday with murder after one of the babies was stillborn.[/B]
[/QUOTE]She also smoked and used drugs while pregnant.
I believe I posted already about that crack smoking child bearer.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]Pharmacist Refuses Birth Control Prescription in North Richland Hills, Texas
By Ben Tinsley, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Texas Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News
Mar. 31--NORTH RICHLAND HILLS, Texas - A CVS pharmacist refused to fill a woman's birth-control-pill prescription this week, the second time this year that a Metroplex-area druggist has withheld a prescribed contraceptive because of personal beliefs.
Julee Lacey, 32, a Keller district first-grade teacher with two young children, said she was astounded when the pharmacist came to the drive-in window of the CVS on Precinct Line Road on Sunday night and refused to fill what Lacey believed was a routine prescription that she had had filled many times.
"She told me she did not personally believe in birth control and said that's why she wasn't going to fill the prescription," Lacey said. "She told me there was a Walgreens down the street I could go to that could help me. I told her I didn't have the time to go there and set up a new account, and she said she couldn't help me."
the rest is here [url]http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8322175.htm?1c[/url]
That's preatty disturbing stuff. I wonder if the Christian right are against condoms too. I would very upset if this happened to me and I was a female. I wonder if that would work If a vegan tried that at Fast food restaurant.[/QUOTE]
that's pretty fucked up.
here's a non-register required article on the same lady from abc news. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Living/birth_control_pharmacists_040406-1.html[/url]
if they don't want to dispense drugs on a moral ground, they should not become pharmacists.
i don't want to even know how arkansas and south dakota passed this law.
this is really a sad sad article.
[url=http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=4777547§ion=news]Read Here[/url]
how about the mexican lady who preformed her own caesarian, on herself, and was successful. pretty amazing what people can do when it comes down to it.
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This certainly is fucked.
a friend of mine told me how his aunt studied to become a teacher for something like five years, then refused to teach evolution in science class because it went against her beliefs.
What?
[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]She also smoked and used drugs while pregnant.[/QUOTE]
If you smoke crack while you're pregnant and the fetus dies, is that murder too?
What if you fell down some stairs [I](I fell down some stairs)[/I] and the fetus dies, but it was an accident. Is that manslaughter?
What if you just have a plain old no real reason miscarriage?
These are semi-rhetorical questions, but they did just pass that new law (or proposed it I ferget which).
*I did not fall down some stairs.
an accident and being irresponsible are somewhat different.
What?
you don't say...
But if you have an accident and kill someone, you can be held responsible. Or not. I ferget. I think it depends on how rich you are.
i didn't know one could be charged with murder by refusing to have a caesarian. that thought frightens me, as caesarians are now practiced way more than they should be, no thanks to doctors being afraid of being slapped with medical malpractice lawsuits.
in any case, you can still have a vaginal birth if you've had a C-Section, they're called VBACs (vaginal births after caesarian), but again, don't get practiced due to the possibility of medical malpractice lawsuits. most doctors will refuse to do a VBAC.
I don't think anyone knew...until now.
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]you don't say...
But if you have an accident and kill someone, you can be held responsible. Or not. I ferget. I think it depends on how rich you are.[/QUOTE]
obviously depends on how rich you are.
But for us "normals" sometimes an accident is just an accident.
A miscarriage and a slip down the stairs can sometimes just happen, same as icy roads and sun in your eyes, but if the mother is doing things which can directly harm the fetus (taking drugs, bull riding, lion training, etc.) then something probably should be done to keep the fetus safe.
What?
Bullshit. It's my fetus. I'll do with it what I will.
Of course, the rights of the mother should also be observed, and trying to both protect the fetus and preserve the mother's rights often leads to a grey area in the law concerning this issue, which is why it remains so controversial.
What?
I suppose, in the end, the parent should just know what is and isn't safe for the fetus, which is a case by case judgement call.
What?
[QUOTE=mugwump]Of course, the rights of the mother should also be observed, and trying to both protect the fetus and preserve the mother's rights often leads to a grey area in the law concerning this issue, which is why it remains so controversial.[/QUOTE]
indeed. pregnancy is a very complicated thing. when does a mother's rights override that of the fetus and vice-versa.
i've always opted for fetus rights, myself. but still, the mother has some say in it.
trypd, you're pro life?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]trypd, you're pro life?[/QUOTE]
i actually prefer to go on a case by case basis. there are circumstances that warrent it, but generally i would rather the child live.
depends on the mother and the circumstances, so black and white legislation wouldn't help resolve the issue in any way.
as for abortion (and this issue too, which I usually stay out of), I lean more to the side of pro choice, cuz its none of my fucking business. But there are also the medical reasons and the mother may not be able to take care of the child.
My problem with the pro lifers is that they want the people to have the children, but that is when they stop caring, usually.
What?
but it [I]should[/I] be legal?
I don't get it. Only legal for the people trypd says it's ok for?
What makes you qualified to decide?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]but it [I]should[/I] be legal?
I don't get it. Only legal for the people trypd says it's ok for?
What makes you qualified to decide?[/QUOTE]
i'm not saying i'm qualified to decide. i just said that generally i'm pro-life, as i feel no matter what age, a fetus has rights. it's not a posession of the mother's to just do away with on a whim. but i also said that i, personally, am not against abortion, that there are circumstances that, in my opinion, warrant abortion.
i think mug said, then edited, that there is no legislation that would be able to handle this properly. and i agree.
so it should remain legal and left up to individuals to decide not one person deciding for all others.
right?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]so it should remain legal and left up to individuals to decide not one person deciding for all others.
right?[/QUOTE]
yes and no. some people can't make a proper distinction of a proper reason.
the thing is there's no possible way legislation can exist to properly safegaurd a mother's choice. and there will always be people who make that decision for all the wrong reasons.
i'm not calling for abortion to be illegal, it should be better handled though.
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]so it should remain legal and left up to individuals to decide not one person deciding for all others.
right?[/QUOTE]
basically, yes.
best judgement should always be used, of course.
What?
Everybody should have an abortion at least once.
I'm just being contrary now.
I don't think the penis wielders should have any say in the matter.
That's my contrariness.
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]I don't think the penis wielders should have any say in the matter.
That's my contrariness.[/QUOTE]
that seems about right.
We don't know shit about this anyways.
What?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]I don't think the penis wielders should have any say in the matter.
That's my contrariness.[/QUOTE]
the fetus is half the penis wielder's.
i would have a say in the matter were it my offspring, i promise this of you.
That fetus may be half of mine, but that napkin I just blew my load has the same possiblities of a fetus of becoming a baby. Are they going to start fighting against masturbation because it's killing sperm.
The conservatives should stop trying to stop sex education because it is the only thing that can stop abortions. They should make 'the morning after pill' readily available over the counter and make condoms free. These people who are against abortion aren't looking out for the fetus they are forcing the religious views on everyone. If they actually cared about fetuses they would support sex ed and safe sex techinques because if people are more responsible for their cocks and vaginas we wont need abortions.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=trypdwyre]the fetus is half the penis wielder's.
i would have a say in the matter were it my offspring, i promise this of you.[/QUOTE]
There is no way in hell you could FORCE me to NOT have an abortion.
And what if I did anyway, while you weren't looking? You would try to charge me with murder? For undergoing a medical procedure that is legal?
What if I said I didn't want to get pregnant and then you said ooops babe, I'm sorry, the rubber broke? Is half of the fetus still yours?
I say no because I didn't give you permission to put it there.
[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Everybody should have an abortion at least once.[/QUOTE]
You first.
There is hope, but not for us.
the government has no zero place in determining what each and every one of us can or cannot do with our bodies.
if you allow one form of fascism, you allow them all. if heads of state, (whose heads are usually far from stately), can decide what a woman can or cannot do with her body, then said government can also [B]dictate[/B] what movies, books and websites you and your loved ones enjoy. mind you, this point is not up for argument. fact: determination by government in regards to a person's body that actions taken on self are illegal and deserve remonstrance [I]is[/I] fascism. this pertains to abortion, suicide, drug-use, eating, drinking (water &/or liquor), smoking cigarettes, smoking hash, smoking marijuana, urinating, breathing, swimming, weight-lifting, etc.
it is my opinion that if you support governmental interference in the case of abortion then you are also a supporter of:[URL=http://sftt.org/][B][COLOR=Yellow]the war in iraq[/COLOR][/B][/URL], [URL=http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/downloads/Story_01_020703_Doc_1.pdf][B][COLOR=Yellow]the patriot act V.I & II[/COLOR][/B][/URL], surveillance of e-mail, surveillance of cell-phones, etc.
the power of the people is not to be diminished by those in power. this is not a cute playing with words but the truth. and it is not [I]my[/I] truth either, rather it is the truth of any peoples that would be by their actions the [U]definition[/U] of freedom.
I.E.
[CENTER]Read Henry Miller.[/CENTER]
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[QUOTE]"She told me she did not personally believe in birth control and said that's why she wasn't going to fill the prescription," Lacey said. "She told me there was a Walgreens down the street I could go to that could help me. I told her [B]I didn't have the time to go there and set up a new account[/B], and she said she couldn't help me."[/QUOTE]
you americans have to set up accounts to use a pharmacy?
you cant just go to any pharmacy with youre script?
[QUOTE=Prensa Taladradora]There is no way in hell you could FORCE me to NOT have an abortion.
And what if I did anyway, while you weren't looking? You would try to charge me with murder? For undergoing a medical procedure that is legal?
What if I said I didn't want to get pregnant and then you said ooops babe, I'm sorry, the rubber broke? Is half of the fetus still yours?
I say no because I didn't give you permission to put it there.[/QUOTE]
this is what i don't get. always pregnant women say that the biological father should have no say in determining if their child should live or die. yet come 9 months later, they suddenly feel that it's the father's responsibility to provide equally for the child. you might think this is an argument against paternal rights, but it's the opposite. fathers should be 50% responsible at every step of the child's life.
but these are my ideals here. you bring up very interesting, yet unconvincing arguments.
personally i would hire a very good attorney who's willing to take this as far as it goes, to argue for my rights to the fetus. that's what I PERSONALLY would do. you say it's "your body" but it's not, it's also the body of the fetus, you're just incubating it.
I say no because I didn't give you permission to put it there.
the rubber breaking would hardly be my fault, but in any case, yes, the fetus is still half my child. you didn't give me permission to put it there, fine, you know there are risks associated with sexual intercourse, even with a rubber. it's not 100%. let's say the intercourse was consented, you also consent to any risks associated with the intercourse.
in MY OPINION, the father should always have 50% rights over all decisions concerning the child. but this is hardly a popular opinion. and yes, i think the father should be held accountable, using legal means or what-have-you, for the child's welfare, unless a court deems otherwise.
The battle has only begun over women's reproductive rights. I know somebody very close who works for Planned Parenthood and the Bush administration is determined to re-define the woman's role in american society from free spririted individuals to baby incubators. The separation of church and state is non-existant at this point. Bush originally signed legistlation to ban contraception from Government worker's medical plans. This was then reversed.
If these bastards care so much about these unborn children then why don't they adopt them all? I'm sure Bush's daughters are on the pill.
How about this:
[B]A pregnant woman who allegedly ignored medical warnings to have a Caesarean section to save her twins was charged Thursday with murder after one of the babies was stillborn.[/B]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/03/11/mother.charged.ap/[/url]
Don't judge just because she's ugly as sin...
*it should be noted that she already had two previous c-sections, and a history of mental illness.
*the quotes are attributed to a nurse, not to the woman.