The liberal media strikes again...
Are none of us safe from our media companies being owned by such obvious commies?!?!
Disney Forbidding Distribution of Film That Criticizes Bush
By JIM RUTENBERG
WASHINGTON, May 4 — The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.
The executives said that Disney had forbidden Miramax to distribute the film, "Fahrenheit 911," which links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis — including the family of Osama bin Laden — and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.
Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go before an arbitration panel, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.
In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."
But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor, which would require the use of Buena Vista, Disney's distribution arm.
"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."
Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's studio, backed out.
Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said that Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it would anger Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida and endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures there.
"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."
Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.
A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company has the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deems their distribution to be against the interests of the company. Mr. Moore's film, the executive said, is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of Disney's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film to be overtly partisan against Mr. Bush.
"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.
Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "
Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as he sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.
Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.
Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's decision to help members of the bin Laden family leave the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
I think this whole thing could be great for the movie. Look how well The Passion did from controversy.
They will have to release it. There is a shitload of bleeding-heart liberals(myself included) who will kill to see the movie. Not to mention conservatives' interest in it.
I only hope the film comes out before November.
You will never be famous.
LOL How un-American. 
[COLOR=Sienna]"The less one can do, the more one undertakes; the less one acts, the more one invents; each period of one's life brings new ideas to the fore, and satiety, far from dampening one's ardor, paves the way for even more baleful refinements"
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I hope it [B]doesn't[/B]. He'd be more concerned with trying to influence people to toss Bush's Son than with making another great movie.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
I disapprove of Bush as much as the next guy, and Michael Moore definately played a part in that. I really want to see this new movie and hope Disney comes to it's fucking senses soon.
Plus I can't wait to see what Michael Moore is going to focus on after Bush. Whether you like the guy or not, you gotta admit when he's going after something, he doesn't quit until he's satisfied.
[COLOR=White]In the end, we all get lobotomies. - K[/COLOR]
[COLOR=Red]Now I'm all alone. Kept the pain inside.
Wanna torch the world, cuz I'm breathing fire.[/COLOR]
He said that he plans to do a documentary on mental-illness and the mental-illness healthcare system in America next. But that's only talk by him so far, nothing definite. After all, Tarantino announces a new movie that he never does every week.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
I believe the health care film is in the works.....It would really help the cause for him to focus his guns on the American healthcare system because the rest of the world doesn't understand how fucking reatarded it is and it would put healthcare as a big time issue for politics.
As for 'Fahrenheit 9-11' I didn't think this was going to get released anyways. I knew Disney would be complete bitches once I saw it was picked up by Miramax. I know Harvey and Bob want to make money through Michael's films but I don't think they are willing to give up their jobs for it.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
i remember miramax turned down other films before (i think dogma was one of them) and the director simply found another distributor. michael moore isn't the type to let the man censor him. he'll release his film even if he has to peddle bootleg copies on the sidewalk.
So, disney is preventing the release of a Michael Moore film that criticizes George Bush. For this, you are labelling them the Liberal Media -- a statement that is in itself over-used and a conservative fraud -- and commies?
Or are you labelling Mirimax, a division of disney, the liberal media/commies? Either way, you better speak up, because the "Unbelievable Bullshit Alarm" is going off right now.
[QUOTE=snuffy]the "Unbelievable Bullshit Alarm" is going off right now.[/QUOTE]You noticed this too? Coming from anyone else, I would have assumed an amout of irony implied in the statement, but our Ozy doesn't always seem to make sense, so...
hmm, i supose it could be an attempt at irony, in which case, i am an ass. but assuming somebody is shrewd is never a safe bet.
Hm this might very well go under the movies&music section but rather than talking about the movie itself, I think this thread would fit best in this forum where we can discuss whether or not moves like this should be allowed. Technically, because Disney (owner of Miramax) is the financial backer (distributor) they can do whatever they want (including making a perfectly good Asian movie unrecognizable and shelved for 2 years...i ain't bitter)
Here goes:
Disney is blocking Miramax (a Disney division) from releasing bullhorn-wielding/Oscar night grandstander Michael Moore's documentary Fahrenheit 911, which criticizes President Bush's actions surrounding September 11th and links the Bush family to prominent Saudis, including the bin Ladens. Way to go, embattled Disney CEO Michael Eisner! Taking a stand to protect your President! Maybe you sympathize with him--you know, two swingin' young guys desperately trying to hang onto their jobs. Sure, it might sound like censorship, but that's all the rage now. You gotta ride what's hot, even if you have to mud wrestle with Harvey Weinsten.
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oh, great.
So if Disney is blocking the production of the movie because they think it'll say, lose money...would that be communist too?
Seriously. Disney is not owned or maintained by the government. They can show whatever the hell they want. Get over it.
There is hope, but not for us.
[QUOTE=jane s.]So if Disney is blocking the production of the movie because they think it'll say, lose money...would that be communist too?
Seriously. Disney is not owned or maintained by the government. They can show whatever the hell they want. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but disney is choosing to block the release of the film. They just don't wanna upset SUV driving suburban soccer mom's who like Bush. They need them cause they pay for their kids to see their movies.
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"The title of the film is a play on the Ray Bradbury novel "Fahrenheit 451," a futuristic story about censorship."
Oh, the irony is palpable.
[url]http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=5049033&pageNumber=0[/url]
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[QUOTE=disx]the whole 9/11 thing - i've never been able to make up my mind on what i think happened, and so yeah, this looked really promising.
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And do you really put that much stock in what Mr Moore has to say? I mean, he is just as good at dishing out the propaganda as the rest of the media. He may help give you information, but the only way he would help me form an opinion is if he said something that I decided to research and conclude about on my own.
[QUOTE=alene]And do you really put that much stock in what Mr Moore has to say? I mean, he is just as good at dishing out the propaganda as the rest of the media. He may help give you information, but the only way he would help me form an opinion is if he said something that I decided to research and conclude about on my own.[/QUOTE]
this post brought a tear of happieness to my eye. 
moore is basically the news source people rely on without actually bothering to inform themselves. he's the complete answer to the general news media. he provides "factual evidence" that disputes their "factual evidence". if you really want to know what happened on 9/11, open a book, and i'm not talking about just books from one point of view. if you want to truely inform yourself, you have to read all sides of the argument/idea/event.
also keep in mind occam's razor "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem." Which is translated: "Entities should not be multiplied more than necessary." or if you prefer moden english [b]"The simplest explanation is the one that is most likely to be correct."[/b]
i've so much time reading about 9/11 it's ridiculous. i'm sick of it. i can't make up my mind on it. worst case scenario the bush administration completely orchestrated it - best case scenario they knew it was going to happen and let it happen.
i just want to see what he has to say about it and really the Saudi connection is one of the most reasonable theories out there on what happened. occam's razor yeah yeah what he's saying is hardly any more complicated than the 'official' conspiracy theory.
which is exactly what it is - a bunch of cavemen that hate us "cos we're free" hijack planes and fly them into buildings the last one hitting over 30 minutes after the first and NOTHING is done to stop it? BULLSHIT. and the prez is getting memos titled BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE WITHIN THE US but they claim they had no clue? YEAH OKAY and they scream WE HAD NO IDEA THEYD DO THAT TO BUILDINGS WITH PLANES yet there was a terrorist plot in paris that was foiled and THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THE SAME THING THERE - it's fucking BULLSHIT is what it is and i want this to get out and i want it to be popular. i've seen what Bowling for COlumbine has done to the opinions of hick ass texans. they actually LIKE it. and sure he may bullshit and he may fudge the facts and do the same thing we hate the media for doing but what else can we do? fight fire with fire god dammit. use their tactics against them. i'm all for it. this is a fucking war and we have to win it.
rag on him all you want but he's one of the best things to happen to this country in the last decade. fuck anyone that says otherwise.
okay i'm thinking now so i'm gonna run with this for a moment.
as much as you may dislike his tactics, they WORK. and it's a perfect example of what we need to start doing. our side is BORING. when we talk nobody gives a shit. you've got conservative talk radio that's LOUDLOUDLOUD and as much as i fucking hate that shit and most of you probably do, too - it gets people's attention. and that's exactly what they were talking about on tv the other day - some guy working with that new AirAmerica radio station was being interviewed and the guy interviewing him was saying "just don't be boring like that other liberal radio station" and that's exactly right. nobody wants to tune into "boo hoo the environment is being abused plz help" so they're going to listen to the conservative INYORUFACE radio garbage.
that's another thing i'm excited about - AirAmerica. janeane garofalo was on the daily show the other day and i can't stress how much i lovelovelove LOVE her so much. she was fucking great on there. and you know who one of the first people they're going to interview on her show is? fucking NOAM CHOMSKY. i about shit myself. unfortunately i think i already missed it but hopefully i can find a recording of it or something on their site once i get back on cable instead of this dial-up crap. but yeah hopefully they can get that station going on the right track and it seems like it from the brief time i spent at their site. they're taking the comedy/satire route for at least a few shows and that's what needs to happen.
and this is all why i like adbusters so much, too. it's not just a bunch of boring articles it's got GREAT mock ads that not only have great points but are also aesthetically pleasing and catchy as hell. and the little notes they have scribbled here and there are awesome cos it means the casual joe everyman that's just flipping through can take something important away with him without being forced to sit and read some article he doesn't have the attention span for.
as shitty as it may be that we can't just stand up and give people the facts and expect them to go "oh hay you're right" - that's reality and we've got to fucking face it if we want to change anything. it's their game and we've got to play by their rules. this is [i]exactly[/i] what Michael Moore is doing.
so there. eat shit and die.
No one said that Moore shouldn't be out spreading some sort of word, or even that he isn't doing some good, what I am saying is that you can't take his word as the final word on anything. You can't take any one persons word. One news source does not an informed opinion make. I think that if Moore is out there, loud and attention grabbing, great. So long as it MAKES PEOPLE GET OUT THERE AND LEARN. If you are just taking Moores word for what is true, then you are no better than the people buying into the political propaganda. But if you presents and idea and you go out and inform yourself about that idea, that is what makes a real difference.
I wasn't attacking you, no need to get harsh. I was simply questioning your sentence: "the whole 9/11 thing - i've never been able to make up my mind on what i think happened, and so yeah, this looked really promising." It made it sound as though you were waiting for Moore to come along and give you the answers. He can't do that. No one can.
well obviously. i just wanted to hear his take on it, since i never really made up my mind on it.
I'll try not to waste humor on y'alls in the future.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
[QUOTE=jane s.]So if Disney is blocking the production of the movie because they think it'll say, lose money...would that be communist too?
Seriously. Disney is not owned or maintained by the government. They can show whatever the hell they want. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Bowling For Columbine - highest grossing documentary film ever. There goes the financial excuse...
Who said Disney had to do anything? Just because they [I]can[/I] silence a filmmaker's voice doesn't mean that it's right. You object to people complaining about a corporation deciding which movies we can and can't see?
You should probably wait until you have something to say before posting in the future...
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
Well personaly fellas I enjoyed Bowling for Columbine, it was funny informative, gave me a new look on the whole issue of guns, let me hear from people I'd probably (actually on second thought never see) never meet in my life, and it was entertaining. Now granted it was a little extreme, but hey that's what makes life intresting, so why censor a movie about the most devestating event of our time if it's going to give us another view of the event. We've been bombarded by the News Media about how the president is saying he did, and his idealic version of how it occured. Now I want the other side of the event, cuz I'm too lazy to look it up anyother way besides the t.v. and movies
Plus this way you know that each side has all their ducks in a row, you'll be getting the definitive version from each side, and so from their you're able to make a decision on weither or not to believe their sides. Or make up your own....Ok now reading back on that it makes very little sence, i think whaat I wat trying to say is that we've been hearing Bushe's perfect/extreame stance, and now it's time to hear the other side of the debate....ok if that makes any sence to anyone I applaud you, but it's back to studying for me, got a test tomarrow, I'll cya later......bye.
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[QUOTE=alene]No one said that Moore shouldn't be out spreading some sort of word, or even that he isn't doing some good, what I am saying is that you can't take his word as the final word on anything. You can't take any one persons word. One news source does not an informed opinion make. I think that if Moore is out there, loud and attention grabbing, great. So long as it MAKES PEOPLE GET OUT THERE AND LEARN. If you are just taking Moores word for what is true, then you are no better than the people buying into the political propaganda. But if you presents and idea and you go out and inform yourself about that idea, that is what makes a real difference.
I wasn't attacking you, no need to get harsh. I was simply questioning your sentence: "the whole 9/11 thing - i've never been able to make up my mind on what i think happened, and so yeah, this looked really promising." It made it sound as though you were waiting for Moore to come along and give you the answers. He can't do that. No one can.[/QUOTE]
It's not like Mike is Hitler. He's not running for office, he doesn't pretend to know it all, he makes entertaining films for people who like to engage in political discussions. He is not Rush Limbaugh, Or Hannity or any of these fuck faces who act like they know it all. He is actually really humble.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=angusbeef123]Yeah but disney is choosing to block the release of the film. They just don't wanna upset SUV driving suburban soccer mom's who like Bush. They need them cause they pay for their kids to see their movies.[/QUOTE]
Uhh....that was kind of my point. These people aren't stupid; they know what will make them money and what won't, and I think that was probably a bigger motivation than pussyfooting around.
PS: Moore is a twat.
There is hope, but not for us.
What makes Moore a twat?
How does one become a twat?
Why do you think he is a twat?
What compelled you to call him a twat?
Have you verified him being a twat?
Have you seen his film or read his books?
How do twats write books and make films?
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
Speaking of Disney, on a related note
This just in (well yesterday's news)
This might be the strangest thing we come across all day. Page Six reports that a [i]"mysterious" group of European backers have approached Mel Gibson about a possible takeover of Disney[/i], impressed at how Gibson turned two hours of a billion Christians' personal savior getting his ass kicked into huge financial gains.
Hmmm. Impressed with The Passion of the Christ? "Mysterious," "European," and flush with cash? Is even the Vatican coming after poor Michael Eisner now?
[URL=http://www.nypost.com/gossip/23749.htm]Mel, The Man For The Mouse? [/URL] [NYPost's Page Six]
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[QUOTE=Ozymandias]I'll try not to waste humor on y'alls in the future.[/QUOTE]
Working for the "liberal media" makes me a little trigger happy when the term is used. my apologies, Oz.
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]What makes Moore a twat?
How does one become a twat?
Why do you think he is a twat?
What compelled you to call him a twat?
Have you verified him being a twat?
Have you seen his film or read his books?
How do twats write books and make films?[/QUOTE]
Moore is a twat because I say so.
You become one by doing annoying, false, and illy timed actions.
I was compelled to call him this because he is so.
I have verified this enough on a personal level to declare it openly in a public forum.
I have seeng "Bowling for Columbine" and do not intend to see anything else or read anything else by him.
Same way everyone else does: with a pen or a camera.
There is hope, but not for us.
[QUOTE=jane s.]
You become one by doing annoying, false, and illy timed actions.[/QUOTE]
False? Example please.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
How about the way he tied the KKK and the NRA together simply because of the year(s) in which they were founded, which was, basically made up out of thin air?
There is hope, but not for us.
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]It's not like Mike is Hitler. He's not running for office, he doesn't pretend to know it all, he makes entertaining films for people who like to engage in political discussions. He is not Rush Limbaugh, Or Hannity or any of these fuck faces who act like they know it all. He is actually really humble.[/QUOTE]
You are forming a nasty habit of jumping in with a bucketload of assumptions that just pass right on by the real comments.
I don't give a rats ass if he is humble or not. If he is powerful or not. If he is cool or not. The fact of the matter is that too many people take his word as the final word on things - I never said that he thinks he knows everything. But people take what he says and assume it is straight forward honest fact and the end of the discussion. They base their decisions on the things that he says. I liked Bowling for Columbine, it has some great information and presents some interesting ideas. But he manipulated things to fit his specific idea of what he wanted you to think, and there is nothing wrong with that, all media does it, it just means you have to be careful and research things on your own to get a well rounded view. You can't take any one persons word as truth.
That is what I said in the first place, and I am just repeating myself here. Try not to be so jumpy next time, K?
people are so sensitive about celebrity idols. you think michael moore would stick up for you if someone was questioning something you said? you think michael moore would even talk about you? don't take things so personal, gonzo guy.
[QUOTE=alene]The fact of the matter is that too many people take his word as the final word on things - I never said that he thinks he knows everything. But people take what he says and assume it is straight forward honest fact and the end of the discussion.[/QUOTE]
LOL It sounds like you are talking about Rush Limbaugh. If anything his films make us laugh, cry and see things from another perspective. He's not on a pulpit throwing "hell fire" down to the masses and making people feel bad for seeing things on the Left.
[QUOTE=Davros]LOL It sounds like you are talking about Rush Limbaugh. If anything his films make us laugh, cry and see things from another perspective. He's not on a pulpit throwing "hell fire" down to the masses and making people feel bad for seeing things on the Left.[/QUOTE]
Not at all. He presents his propaganda in a very fun and light way, so that the people who are afraid of the "hell fire" type sermons can grab onto him. He is accessable, he presents things in a media that the masses can appreciate and he attracts with humor and humility. It is the same thing, just wrapped up in a different package.
Ok, that is a bit harsh.
I don't think that Moore is preaching at all. He is trying to change the point of view for sure, but I don't think he is trying to convert. Regardless of what he is trying to do, people still take him as the authority on the subject. My point is not at all about Moore. I am getting tired of saying this. I don't think Moore is good or bad or wrong or right or anything. I am just a little wary of his brood of followers that take everything he says as gospel. Just like I am wary of the people that take Bush as gospel.
that fat cocksucker
[url]http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=518901[/url]
"Less than 24 hours after accusing the Walt Disney Company of pulling the plug on his latest documentary in a blatant attempt at political censorship, the rabble-rousing film-maker Michael Moore has admitted he knew a year ago that Disney had no intention of distributing it."
You will never be famous.
You're an extremely silly person. Stop posting in this topic.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
okay missy you asked for it
[QUOTE=jane s.]Moore is a twat because I say so.
well like janeane garofalo said it's gotten to the point where a vote for bush is a character flaw. what you say doesn't really matter.
it only annoys you cos he's usually right and you've got no argument to stand on. most of it isn't false, and what is false hardly matters cos any intelligent person can see that his falsefacts aren't the basis of his argument - he's just using them to make other points. it's not the most honest tactic, but it hardly compares to the fountains of bullshit his opponents spew out. and ill-timed? his timing is great. he's putting this shit out when it will do as much damage as possible - and that's the point.
i can do that but you can't cos i'm smarter than you. sorry.
[QUOTE=jane s.]How about the way he tied the KKK and the NRA together simply because of the year(s) in which they were founded, which was, basically made up out of thin air?[/QUOTE]
I guess you missed the joke. It's a joke. You missed it, move on.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=alene]You are forming a nasty habit of jumping in with a bucketload of assumptions that just pass right on by the real comments.
The fact of the matter is that too many people take his word as the final word on things [/QUOTE]
Wow does anyone else smell the irony?
Alene I like you but I don't follow your logic.
So I am supposed to not like Michael Moore because some uneducated idiots don't have enough common sense to educate themselves on subject matter before spewing shit from a film. I'm sorry but I won't stop defending a good man just because a couple of idiots try to use the facts he uses in his films for there own purpose.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=big S]people are so sensitive about celebrity idols. you think michael moore would stick up for you if someone was questioning something you said? you think michael moore would even talk about you? don't take things so personal, gonzo guy.[/QUOTE]
I guess I know your morals -
Only stick up for people who will do the same for you.
Check.
Any other cosmic insights I should know about?
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST]I guess I know your morals -
Only stick up for people who will do the same for you.
Check.
Any other cosmic insights I should know about?[/QUOTE]
well, no shit. my family and few friends are the only people i care about. celebrities can kiss my thrice-naired ass.
Moore might get a little thick from time to time. But his TV series’, Movies, and books make far more sense then the rubbish given out by the networked media. We get NBC and all the rest down here (Aust)… I can barely watch ten minutes without feeling a little sick.
“Shock and Awe”??? Are you fucking serious? What freak Nazi sadist came up with that line?
A lot of People are crying that this is Un-American. It seems all I ever hear about America is what you would call Un-American. Shady: is the word that comes to mind when I think of America.
I don’t mean to be so harsh to Americans, My government isn’t much better… a bunch of Lackeys and Sycophants if you ask me.
I live in a tourist town and we get a lot of Americans, I talk to them in the bars and am surprised at how proud they are to be American. Pride is fine, but some of these people are blind and know less about the shady workings of their homeland than most Australians. (this is not an attack at anyone who has posted here)
To quote the Glam King “I’m afraid of Americans”
"How about the way he tied the KKK and the NRA together simply because of the year(s) in which they were founded, which was, basically made up out of thin air?"
That cartoon was a classic.. I laughed so hard!
[QUOTE=big S]well, no shit. my family and few friends are the only people i care about. celebrities can kiss my thrice-naired ass.[/QUOTE]
You make it seem like I want to be his best friend, I just defend him because I think he is a good man. I would be defending Malcolm X if people were bad mouthing him, or Ralph Nader, or any other person I think is a good.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
so what exactly does this do to the availability of the film? since he's still showing it at Cannes.. will the general public still be able to get ahold of it somehow then? cos i [i]really[/i] wanted to see that. it's something i've been waiting for for awhile now. the whole 9/11 thing - i've never been able to make up my mind on what i think happened, and so yeah, this looked really promising.
fuck disney, btw. and what mel's studio pulled out? so that jesus abonimation is okey dokey but fuck don't point no fingers at bushy. swear to god. so fucking gay.