Stop the friggin bailout!

i support the bailout more than i support ineffective internet petitions.

sorry, gig

with something like this, you really have to present your case
i'm up for discussion..
-kabol

Hey, my bank just got seized by the government! Whoo Hoo, WaMu!

I already sent my congresswoman a letter to not support the bailout.
I mean shit, they might as well let every prisoner off death row in San Quinton and on the way out give them a gun and a knife.

I don't want them to stop the bailout, I just want them to throw in an extra $20,000 to cover my debts. $700,000,020,000.00 is a nifty looking number.

You can't stop the bailout. Accept it!

i'm going to go sign it now and say f%ck just to see if it yells at me.

it will, in big read letters.

Nobody's a citizen anymore! A citizen is someone who owes an oath of allegiance to a state in exchange for protection. There was a SCOTUS case that said cops aren't responsible for your protection, thus we have don't owe the oath of allegiance. By definition, we're not citizens, we're subjects.

Giggan, are you upset about the backlash that's come against Libertarian Alan Greenspan as of late? Everyone is crying out for regulation to come and swoop down from the sky like Superman and save them. "Oh, intervene you big sexy government, you!"

Greenspan's a hard nut to crack. RP wrote in "The Revolution" about how he talked to Greenspan privately about the gold standard and the fed, etc, and Greenspan would agree, then do something totally different. Maybe he's a damage control type, he knows if he did the right thing and said, "Let's get our greasy mitts outta the market," that he would have been booted, or found dead. I don't know what to make of Bernake, but Greenspan proved lip service to liberty does not equate to liberty and prosperity. As of late I've been ignoring it, it only sickens me to see everything more and more nationalized.

Maybe it will get more and more nationalized and then generate a huge backlash and everyone will wanna go Libertarian, donkeys and elephants and all forms of wildlife.

It already has.

So then it's a good thing for Libertarian's, yes?

While good tends to come as a response to, or a fed-up reaction to evil, The Gandhi, in addition to being a pacifist against physically fighting the power, thought it important that he also minimize harm of the state to others, thus, it wasn't cool for someone to be martyr'd any more than should have to, and those who are martyr'd should have made the choice. Going from police state level 4 to level 5 is a great negative, because more innoncent would be hurt even though people would more quickly rebel against that sort of state. So no, I don't think the gov't nationalizing everything and blowing it to hell is a good thing, even it it does wake people up. Waking people up, the consequence or not, would be unintended on their part.

Also, many people don't understand basic economics enough to realize it was no lack of regulation that caused this, in fact quite the contrary. Ask them if we live in a free market and they say yes. They're tale the cheapest solution they're handed, there's no guarentee more oppression will solve anything.

Make mine freedom. Always.

Maybe it's it just me, but it seems like it would make more sense to rescue the economy by giving the bailout to the populous rather than the corrupt shitheads which caused this to begin with. It would break down to about 15,000 per person and that would make it easy for all these defaulting loans to be paid off in a natural way. Anyone who wasn't in deep shit would get a reward for being responsible and the crackheads would get the help they needed too. Instead we've set a precedent that we live in a welfare state where you can be as irresponsible as you want and not have to deal with the consequences.

Another idea would be to force these millionaires who are responsible for this mess to use their own funds to bail out their businesses. If they can't or won't they should be put in jail. Accountability has just been abolished. Now, every stupid asshole who fucks up wants a handout to get them out of the mess they have made. I live in Birmingham, Alabama. A few years ago the waterworks started a huge project which they couldn't afford and now the city is going bankrupt. Can you guess their response to the bailout? "Hey, we want some free money. Give us money too. Come on, give us money. We're too stupid to govern ourselves. If you don't we're going to have to grow up and stop being so corrupt. We have to skim off the top. It's our job as the rulers of Alabama." We have a history of being one of the most corrupt states in the nation, but nobody wants to address the problem. Now we don't have to. We can just get bailed out like everybody else. There should be a legal precedent that a bailout can only be put into effect after those responsible are punished for their actions. Sadly, white collar crime is as American as apple pie. Through some twisted sense of logic it seems we now have to protect our white collar criminals in order to keep the terrorists from winning.

Crackhead John robbed my house about a year ago. Let's all be good Americans and write him in on the presidential ballot. He can't possibly fuck things up worse than they already are.

fnord, what you said reminds me of an interview John Stewart gave last week. Check it out,

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=188622&title=Rober...

If giving out money made sense, the gov't would do it to keep us happy.

However, this happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920s_German_inflation

Best if the gov't just went away...or at least the federal reserve, corporatist bastards...

Ah yes, that classic picture of a woman burning money to heat her home instead of wood. One of my favorites.

I'd like to watch that, but my streaming audio is fucked up.

Nobody likes the federal reserve, but anybody who tries to do anything about it gets assassinated. America will never go back to the gold standard. Even if there was a full on revolution and there were people left alive afterwords there would still be some bildeberger somewhere to crawl out of his bomb shelter and re-enslave the other survivors.

Ron Paul's still kicking, knock on wood.

Aaron Russo's dead though...RIP. He probably had a bigger impact than anyone.

I just added America: Freedom to Fascism to my Netflix queue. But I shall not add Rude Awakening.

What do you think of Robert Heinlein?

My opinion remains neutral, as I have no idea who he is.

Oh, after a google, yeah, I have yet to read some of his stuff. No idea what to think of him yet.

His novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, as Wikipedia puts it, expresses and discusses libertarian ideals in a speculative context.

I think the bailout was a good idea, our economy relies on banks. I just don't like how it was rushed through.

Elaborate. Why should money have been stolen by the government to pay for bad investiments no one else wants?

Anyone major in economics here? I certainly didn't.