Running Of The Bulls
[URL=http://www.sanfermin.com/guia/in_encierro1.shtml]this link for the San Fermin festival[/URL] but its also famous for being in Pamplona etc.
the question is, what do you think of this from a moral standpoint?
(because im also going to include-- what about [b]bullfighting[/b] as well?
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The Running:
Whatever little moral outrage I feel regarding the abuse of bulls is squashed by the orgasmic pleasure I receive each time I hear of someone being trampled. The Darwin Awards should sponsor this event.
Bullfighting isn't much worse than hunting or fishing.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
i can see how its comparable to hunting .. but fishing?
Being pulled from the water by a metal hook and killed by either oxygen depravation or being beaten to death. Skinned and eaten. Awful, awful shit.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
dont fish only have a 3 second memory?
i can see what you're getting at, but i hardly think its really comparable to being riled up, having spears stuck in you and being forced to chase some idiot in a sparkly jacket around an arena for hours
.JPE "owenwarland's picture")
I don't think bullfighting's like hunting or fishing at all. The bull doesn't have a sporting chance, as he's killed either by the bullfighter, or after he kills the bullfighter. This is a ripoff.
Fortunately, it's balanced off every year by Pamplona, where stupid tourists go to get gored.
of course! [URL=http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20010518/bullfight.jpg]the hat goes on the head![/URL]
all you bleeding hearts, honestly
next you'll be trying to take down the age-old sport of Gentlemen, cockfighting
get a [I]haircut[/I]
[QUOTE=Kit!]being riled up, having spears stuck in you and being forced to chase some idiot in a sparkly jacket around an arena for hours[/QUOTE]
It's actually kinda fun after a while...
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
[QUOTE=lokigod]of course! [URL=http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20010518/bullfight.jpg]the hat goes on the head![/URL]
all you bleeding hearts, honestly
next you'll be trying to take down the age-old sport of Gentlemen, cockfighting
get a [I]haircut[/I][/QUOTE]
get a [B]job[/B]
[QUOTE=Kit!]get a [B]job[/B][/QUOTE]
hug a [I]rainbow[/I]
maybe i will
maaaaybe i wiiill!
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I just saw a bullfight not two weeks ago. They're inhumane and horrible. I saw three "fights", one of which I was late to. Owen is right about not giving the bull a sporting chance, and I know it's not supposed to be given one, but it's still just sad. Not one matador got hurt, and six bulls died that day, and I helped pay for it... But never again. Now I know what goes on, and I can see how treehuggers and PETA members protest against it. It's kinda sad that my two friends didn't know that the bull dies. America censors everything. Damn bugs bunny.
Back to my point, I think that one should see what goes on up close before passing judgement on bullfighting. I'm not sure if you were serious loki, but have you seen a matador stick a sword nearly a meter long into a bull's back and then stab him in the back of the head? Watching a bull shake and blink after minutes after dying while they drag him out of the arena makes me think this isn't much of a sport.
I joke about all sorts of serious shit
it's a coping mechanism
[QUOTE=Diabetic]I just saw a bullfight not two weeks ago. They're inhumane and horrible.[/QUOTE]
I wholeheartedly agree, although I've thankfully never seen a fight, nor plan to. Just the thought of the last two sentences of your post makes me sick.
As for the runners, I wish every last one of those fuckers would get smucked.
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a bullfight is one of those events that if i was in spain and somebody gave me free tickets, i would go. Just to say i have been. and to see what the big fuss is about.
i remember seeing a bit on TV that had Henry Rollins talking about how much i sucked to be the bull in a bullfight. how the bulls are all penned up with other guy bulls, all hot and sweaty and thinking about girl bulls, then they get forced through a gate and chase some guy in a goofy outfit around for a while, then some mean clown dances over to them and stabs them in the head.
of course that's just imposing human feelings on a bull, but still, i kinda see his point. bullfighting is stupid.
There are no wild animals in Europe anymore. Raising fighting bulls is the closest you can get to the struggle between man and nature. The ritual of corrida is the celebration of its actors, the courage of the man and of the bull. Really a cultural thing for the Spanish people.
[QUOTE=franc tireur]There are no wild animals in Europe anymore. Raising fighting bulls is the closest you can get to the struggle between man and nature. The ritual of corrida is the celebration of its actors, the courage of the man and of the bull. Really a cultural thing for the Spanish people.[/QUOTE]
are you saying that your average spanish person would consider bullfighting culturally significant?
Of course.
wow, i'm an ignorant fuck
[QUOTE=franc tireur]There are no wild animals in Europe anymore. Raising fighting bulls is the closest you can get to the struggle between man and nature. The ritual of corrida is the celebration of its actors, the courage of the man and of the bull. Really a cultural thing for the Spanish people.[/QUOTE]
it really is. and it's the raeson why i'd want to see one. i've heard it described by those who've been around at the peak of bullfighting, and i would love to get the chance to watch one. i have a few rational qualms about the raising of bulls to be slaughtered for entertainment, but how bad is that compared to raising mice to be genetically modified, or used for animal testing, or raising chickens to be eaten. it could just be me romanticizing the spanish culture, and trying to rationalize it out though.
[QUOTE=trypdwyre]it really is. and it's the raeson why i'd want to see one. i've heard it described by those who've been around at the peak of bullfighting, and i would love to get the chance to watch one. i have a few rational qualms about the raising of bulls to be slaughtered for entertainment, but how bad is that compared to raising mice to be genetically modified, or used for animal testing, or raising chickens to be eaten. it could just be me romanticizing the spanish culture, and trying to rationalize it out though.[/QUOTE]
hemingway want all crazy about bullfighting.
yea, he did, and he wrote some fantastic stories and novels about it. he even wrote a book on the ettiquite and tradition of bullfighting. it was a really incredible book.
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[QUOTE=trypdwyre]yea, he did, and he wrote some fantastic stories and novels about it. he even wrote a book on the ettiquite and tradition of bullfighting. it was a really incredible book.[/QUOTE]
he never did the running of the bulls himself, but it wasn't because of humane treatment issues or whatever. i wonder why? i also just read that after his death, they found two tickets to an upcoming pampolona bullfight in his desk drawer.
i also heard a quote soemwhere, and please correct me on this, that he said his idea of paradise was a bullfight in pampolona and then having a private trout stream to fish in afterwards.
[QUOTE=snuffy]he never did the running of the bulls himself, but it wasn't because of humane treatment issues or whatever. i wonder why? i also just read that after his death, they found two tickets to an upcoming pampolona bullfight in his desk drawer.
i also heard a quote soemwhere, and please correct me on this, that he said his idea of paradise was a bullfight in pampolona and then having a private trout stream to fish in afterwards.[/QUOTE]
hmm, that's odd, but now that you mention it, i've never heard of him running with the bulls. i'll have to look into that.
but that quote, it definately sounds like what his ideal of heaven would be, if you threw in some alcohol and plenty of women...
[QUOTE=trypdwyre]hmm, that's odd, but now that you mention it, i've never heard of him running with the bulls. i'll have to look into that.
but that quote, it definately sounds like what his ideal of heaven would be, if you threw in some alcohol and plenty of women...[/QUOTE]
the quote is incomplete, out of context, and probably half wrong. i mean it could be a hemingway expert, or hemingway himself, i have no idea. if you are going to do any research on this, can you drop a line with the books you find useful?
reading a bit extra about hemingway and bullfighting, i've composed a theory. remind yourself it's a theory.
hemingway was infatuated with bullfighting, and the ettiquite and traditions behind it. he was infatuated with the courage it showed, or sometimes didn't show (those people always were ridiculed). he generally stayed in hotels with the bullfighters and made many friends with them. now i've also read that many of the bullfighters don't run with the bulls, that their real arena is head on combat with them (meaning they would never run from a bull). so it could be that hemingway (who also competed in a amateur bullfights himself) tried to identify himself with the bullfighters, and not the thrillseekers running in front of the bulls.
[QUOTE=trypdwyre]now i've also read that many of the bullfighters don't run with the bulls, that their real arena is head on combat with them (meaning they would never run from a bull). so it could be that hemingway (who also competed in a amateur bullfights himself) tried to identify himself with the bullfighters, and not the thrillseekers running in front of the bulls.[/QUOTE]
that sounds convincing. still, it's hard to picture him not identifying with the people running from the bulls. and not admiring that aspect of the culture.
i think the bull running is less worse than the bull fighting.. but if anyone gets killed or injured in these events, its their own stupid fault