Obama's Accomplishments In 2009...

Is it a sexy theory?

Sorry. Try again. Please write me a short essay of why I should respect or support teenagers, usually from disadvantaged minority groups, who join up during an unjustifiable "police action". And please steer clear of the phrase "protecting my freedom."

Dude, you weren't drafted. You have only my deepest pity for you thinking that joining the military was a good life choice.

Don't start a fight, Jane. We know how this is going to carry on.

Oh, but I'm such a glutton for punishment.

go on. ...

Not tipping is low. Even if I get completely shitty service I still leave a tip, albeit no where near as good as if I received good service.
These people who work in the service industry dont make shit for money, fuckin leave a tip!
That and my old man told me from ayoung age "Tip well and they remember you"
I ll leave a five dollar tip on a seven dollar drink at a bar. The next time I walk up to a bar, I get served first. Im gettn drunk, bar tenders is gettn the monies. Win Win I say.

i used to be a heavy tipper no matter how the service was, because i waited tables for quite a while. now i'm more realistic. if it's good/great service i'll hook it up and if it's bad/inattentive service i'll leave them 15% as a minimum. it's rare for me to not tip, it has to be horrible service for that. like that time at ihop when the food was cold and there was hair in it and the waitress was stupid. or that horrible restaurant on the way to shiner, tx. it had the worst food i've ever eaten and i swear the waitress was half retarded.

anyway, i felt like sharing that. i couldn't give a shit about politics. presidents haven't had any real power since the kennedy/nixon days anyway and look what they did with it. it's all a big farce.

Okay, break over. Eddy, wasn't getting all "cryhurt". And direspecting someone because you think they're disrespecting people whose opinions differ from their own is contradictory. How is it not?

I started this thread for a reason and the last thing I wanted was it to turn into a giant shouting match. I tried several times to avoid it, but instead, you, six, jane...whomever else, cannot look at anything I say objectively simply because it's me saying it. So, instead of fighting, I just left for a bit and saved us all 200+ posts of petty bullshit.

I said I don't dislike waitresses. I also said I would never be one. I also said I don't tip people for doing their job. If someone goes above and beyond, they get a tip. End. If you disagree, start a thread about it. (wait for it, what a suprise...)

Jane, in the same way that not all nannies are chubby, ugly, unwanted spinsters with no other options, not all military folk are degenerate idiots who are avoiding jailtime, and apparently, Sizzler. Be objective. You care for children because you enjoy it, not because you're not smart enough to do anything else or because you belong to the stereotype I mentioned above.

Six, yes, I technically take orders from the president if you want to boil it down to barney-style simplicity, but to be honest, very little of what the military does is up to the president. Furthermore, if ever asked to do something I found to be morally repugnant, I would conscienciously object, which is an option open to all military personnel. You are considering a job answering phones for a pizza delivery service, if I'm not mistaken. Unless your company splits tips fairly amongst all employees, I'm sorry to say you will not be receiving any, as people tip the driver, not the answering service. Additionally, if you truly wanted to "serve" people, you would neither expect tips, nor a paycheck. You also mentioned that someday I might have children and the man might split, leaving me helpless. When I said this would never happen, I meant it. I have my own home, own car, own income. I would never rely on someone else to support me specifically for that reason. You can never trust anyone but yourself to take care of you. I have no family to move back in with or to catch me if for some reason I financially "nose-dive". So, until I have reached a level of financial stability I am comfortable with, and get over my dislike of children, I will not be having any, and therefore, will never need to be a waitress (as apparently this is the only job single mothers are allowed to occupy).

If any of the above folks have taken offense to anything I've said here, please PM me with your greivances instead of airing them here. Thank you.

I admire HardCandy, really. She just doesn't back down. I'm starting to think she should be considered a role model. I have no admiration for soldiers in general, though my French grandfather was quite a well known war hero and thoroughly decent man; but I have some respect for Ruth now, because she simply doesn't compromise!

And to be fair, people do give her shit around here even when it's not warranted. It often IS, but still, I'm impressed.

HardCandy, you're okay in my book.

Well, thank you. Also, your avatar should replace Mr. Yuck as the poison warning sticker.

How pretentious of me to assume that I know what everyone's opinion of everything is! I forgot that I was omniscient and therefore know that when I post my opinion, it will contradict everyone else's.

Please quote where I started an argument or posted anything inflamatory towards someone. I can certainly quote yours if you like, but there simply isn't enough space and people can look for themselves. And on this site of all places, god forbid that someone think "against the grain". And also, several people agreed with some or all of what I posted.

HardCandy wrote:

Obviously I didn't write this on my own. This is a compilation of news articles, blurbs, emails, polls, and a bunch of other shit I either found or was sent to me. But I took the time to research them, pick which things I took offense to and issue with as a taxpayer, as an American, as a person, really.

Ozymandias wrote:

Have you actually SEEN the mongoloids who make up most of our armed forces? If not, see the first post in this thread. I'm going to go on a limb and guess that their options are somewhat limited. It's either stay in the army or hope you have a connection at your local Sizzler.

Six On The Dot wrote:

I'll actually be serving people, instead of just following orders from a man I hate and blowing shit up for reasons I can't grasp.

jane s. wrote:

You have only my deepest pity for you thinking that joining the military was a good life choice.

You implied even through your own posts that tips were the only way waitresses can support their "starving children". Also, I never said it was beneath me. YOU PUT THOSE WORDS IN MY MOUTH. And I explained that not having a fixed income scares me which is the reason why I choose not to be a waitress.

Please do not act like you don't attack my opinions with incredulity and scorn far more than you do anyone else. That, is beneath you. Or are you that self-absorbed?

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So I didn't research them, but yet I provided several links to back up said statements. Plus, pasting a list of things I have issues with is far easier than typing everything out. I even said the one I didn't agree with.

God, this is stupid.

Firstly, I didn't say anything disrespectful until you called a statement that was simply true oxymoronic. All i said was that i was disappointed in you.

Secondly, i didn't say you were cryhurt. I said when people get cryhurt, it's annoying. Mostly referring to ireLocus' extreme blow up the day before.

Thirdly, i don't see why i'm being grouped in with Jane and Six here. You act like i've always been on the attack with you or that i've always been in on these fights.

I actually kind of liked you. You're a bit pigheaded and super stubborn, but you're also usually on about something that i don't care about, so it doesn't bother me. But, i mean, i show a few disagreeances with you and now all of a sudden i'm your enemy, too? It's silly and childish.

Anyway, to close: You don't have to tip a waitress, but just know you're willfully being a cunt.

You make a ton of distant connections...then use that to say you can't compare things that are barely two years apart (Bush and Obomba).

But really people, explain the difference.

While I personally don't harbor this resentment, do you understand the reasons that millions of people around the world will think these things of you solely because you joined this organization?

I'm not afraid to say the military is nothing I'd ever consider, so I understand how this comment could come across as you looking down your nose at Sizzler people. I suppose if my comment isn't intended as snobbish against you personally, that your Sizzler comment may have been taken the wrong way.

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Alexa, are you okay? Someone's been lying to you! We need to discuss some econ, evoke the spirit of the Rothbard for a Keynesian exorcism.

Don't be fooled by their tricks!

The Keynesians are the modern mystics. People no longer believe water into wine unless its wine circa new testament. But they will believe dollars into more dollars magically makes money, and that's false prophetish. Smash superstition, smash the state! (Not really smashing, but ignoring will proverbially smash it).

I wasn't offended by the food industry thing. I don't really care about that. I just think it's a real shit thing to not tip someone. I understand your reason, it's the most common reason why people don't tip, but it all amounts to the same thing: you're being an asshole.

I saw some Bloomberg numbers about the economy, but could not find them. But really, I just wanted to say you have to spend your way out of a recession to avoid a depression. Now though, he's doing this spending freeze in 2011 the liberals are bashing him on it. And oh also, I don't know much about economics :-/

Another note. Hardcandy/bsaofr don't say you researched something and then when you get called out on it, say okay i didn't research. makes you look like a liar.

So I didn't research them, but yet I provided several links to back up said statements.

It's called Sarcasm, Luv.

Since you clearly have no clue as to how anything works, I'll fill you in.

The person who answers the phone is paid hourly and they typically have other duties on top of answering the phone. That is why you don't tip them.

You tip the driver because he is not typically paid an hourly wage. He does the job for the tips. If the phone doesn't ring that night, he doesn't make money.

Jobs that are supported by tips are typically jobs that are for your convenience, they also don't typically make an hourly wage on top of your tips. This is why you don't typically tip the kid at McDonalds. If you don't want to tip a waitress, get your food to go or make it at home. If you don't want to tip the valet you park your own car and walk a few blocks. If you don't want to tip the luggage guy, you carry your own.

If you choose to not tip those people who earn their living off tips, that is fine. But you're an asshole and that is what every single one of them thinks when they have the pleasure of meeting you.

Whether you agree with tipping or not, it's a shit thing to do to walk into an establishment and be served by someone who is only there under the previously agreed upon arrangement that their job is a service that requires a tip--you're taking up their table, their time, and they're reliant on an arrangement that you shouldn't have walked into the place if you had a grievance with. In this economy, the person could be relying on that money and with no other option of attaining money.

And some other of you are dicks, too. How can you think someone's a mongoloid if they're in the army, or more likely to be? It shows dedication, discipline, and a willingness to sacrifice a lot of your life for -at least what you believe- the greater good of mankind. If being wrong made someone a mongoloid we'd all be mongoloids. The army doesn't just kill people, and for 2000 years it's been considered necessary to protect a nation, and those without armies were quite often raped and pillaged.

You can think somebody is wrong without being a dick about it, or taking food from their tables.

It took me ages just to work out how to quote ONE other post. You guys are all very good at it.

Having just now I can see everyone has reached a unanimous and harmonious decision. Yay!

Good fucking christ. I don't tip. Get the fuck over it. If you are mad about people not paying you extra money simply because society decided at one point it was a good idea, than FIND ANOTHER JOB. If my common sense approach to this makes me an asshole, so be it.

I carry my own luggage, I park my own car. I like the exercise. And to be honest, this is a really moot point anyway because when I go out, the person I'm out with usually pays the tip.

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Finding another job is never hard. The key is working in professions that the economy doesn't effect.

Waitressing, Car salesmen, Salesmen in general, Real Estate, Beauty...etc. These things are not necessities and are therefore subject to tough job market status.

Law enforcement, paralegal, mortician, nurse, military, emt, paramedic, waste disposal, clothing...these are all jobs that will never have enough people to fill them.

I haven't been without a job since I was fifteen. And I haven't been without two jobs for almost as long.

Good for you.

Im not bragging, I just don't understand why it's hard, and that was the question. I don't have any special qualifications. I haven't earned my BA yet...I'm not special, so I'm not sure what the trouble is.

Requires school

Requires a FUCKTON of school

Ruth, you seem to hold a lot of spite for people with hard lives.

What's wrong with school? Work in retail to pay for it. Move on to better job.

A friend of mine with no degree is an Xray tech. She went to school for 6 mos. Makes 80k a year. Starting.

All of those schools are wicked short and not difficult. Work in a shit job to pay for it, move up in the world. End of story.

This is kinda funny because you don't know me at all. PM'd.

That's why i said seem.

Ruth, no one knows you, yeah. But you are telling people it's easy to find a job. As if you know every one's personal situation.

Also, i assumed PM'd meant you PM'd me, but you didn't.
And don't bother. I've no interest in any of this anymore.

ruth, i have a question. What do you do at locally run or owned places that say they factor in a tip already? Do you just say, "hey bub, I ain't paying for the tip." ?

Don't really have a choice in those. It's not like I'd snatch it back or if someone didn't return my change, I wouldn't make a fuss about it. I just don't purposely tip. I usually only tip bartenders. You know, the sort that give you free house shots and whatnot? They don't have to do that. They DID something extra so they GET something extra.

i don't know. seems rude. Always help out the people dealing with your food. Ever see Waiting? That shit probably happens. The things you've eaten, and didn't even know..... !

My best friend's brother has a degree in mechanical engineering from Madison and can't get a job. It's a pretty sad state of affairs.

Six, you are right in all your assumptions. I have no idea about the economy because I am sheltered from it, and don't pay for anything. I admit, I am a spoiled little rich girl, I watch fox news with my family every night, go home to the apartment that my daddy pays for in the car he bought me, and go to school on his dime, too.

The reason I've always had jobs is cause if I don't, I can't access my trust fund. SUCH a drag.

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Okay, so REALLY. Let's break your shit down, shall we? You live at home. NO RENT. NO UTILITIES. NO GROCERY BILL. You don't drive. NO CAR PAYMENT. NO INSURANCE.

So I'm wondering, what if, hypothetically, your family kicked you to the curb. What if you had no one. Would you have taken a year to find a job? Seriously?

I have a lot of friends in the same boat. They keep getting told they are OVERQUALIFIED. It's crazy.

Change this to working in retail for all 5 1/2 years of undergrad (started at 4.25/hr and worked my way up to a whopping $7, thanks a lot WalMart) and factor in a student loan debt that usually comes with medical degrees but instead is for a Fine Arts degree, and you have my life. And had I NOT gone into debt, I never would have made it through college.

Laramie Wyoming had 2 major employers: Wal-Mart, and to a lesser extent, K.Mart. That was it. They knew they had you by the balls, because you couldn't just quit and find another job.

Anyway, the thing most people haven't brought up re:tipping is that the agreement in taking a job waiting tables is that you will accept LESS than minimum wage in exchange for the chance to earn tips from customers. The incentive is there for you to bust your ass to increase your hourly wages. It's like working a comission-based job with a slightly higher level of security (which ain't saying much).

Be kind to the people who make your food. It's the least you can do if you've had a pleasant experience in a restaurant, because THEY are the reason you got your food hot, your order correct, etc etc etc. There's no good reason not to tip.

I wish I could afford the boots that go with these straps...

A lot of waiters take the job because it allows them to go to school. Flexible hours, better pay then retail, usually a free meal per shift.It's a great job as long as people don't treat you like shit or stiff you for no good reason.

Why is working for commission in retail considered more respectful than working as a server for tips?

Please tell me that you don't post from work, Ruth. Because I'm paying your salary. Indirectly, but still. Kinda funny when you think about it, most of the people in the thread are working their asses off and getting taxed to death so you don't have to work as a waitress.

How have I been rude? Seriously? All I have done is state my opinion, and people have taken offense to it. You have been the ones reduced to name-calling, insulting, etc etc etc.

Who is being rude, here?

Oh, and I know that Walmart doesn't pay commission, Mike. I quoted you because of the working while in school part. I meant clothing retail.