Obama Admin: Yes we can, kill you overseas

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This is f**king crazy! Where else in the world is extrajudicial killing openly discussed?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-us-can-lawfully-target-american-citizens/2012/03/05/gIQANknFtR_story.html

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hhmmmm

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Who cares.

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rick santorum is winning the republican polls right now.
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obama: the enemy of my enemy is my friend

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fsdghcamel wrote:
rick santorum is winning the republican polls right now.
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obama: the enemy of my enemy is my friend

Santorum's toast if he steps outside of the US. I wonder how long until the domestic drone killings are also okay.

The mask is coming off of statism hard. How could people actually vote for someone who openly advocates extrajudicial killing?

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The U.S. government has the right to order the killing of American citizens overseas if they are senior al-Qaeda leaders who pose an imminent terrorist threat and cannot reasonably be captured, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Monday.

Justified, legal, and moral. Get over it.

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Giggan wrote:
This is f**king crazy! Where else in the world is extrajudicial killing openly discussed?

I'm not a huge fan of Obama (or Santorum or Romney for that matter) but I applaud him for this.

"relevant window of opportunity to act, the possible harm that missing the window would cause to civilians and the likelihood of heading off future disastrous attacks against the United States.”

These guys are hanging around known terroists who want to kill civilian Americans. I'm glad the government is looking out for it's people.

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The only thing that concerns me about this is the possibility/idea that people may be executed for crimes they have not committed yet.

Similar to my thoughts on the death penalty in general. While I support the execution of guilty parties, I am very weary of killing innocents by accident.

Now while some crimes, like mass murder, we obviously do not want to wait around to see if the people who say they are going to do it actually do it, at the same time how can killing a person merely for saying they wish to do something be justified? Thought Crime carries the death penalty? Execution for one expressing their freedom of speech ? No matter how screwed that speech/ideology is, it should not carry death by the government as a consequence.

So I guess it is a question of how much one trusts their government to be truthful about imminent threats before carrying out these sorts of actions.

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pepper wrote:
The only thing that concerns me about this is the possibility/idea that people may be executed for crimes they have not committed yet.

Similar to my thoughts on the death penalty in general. While I support the execution of guilty parties, I am very weary of killing innocents by accident.

Now while some crimes, like mass murder, we obviously do not want to wait around to see if the people who say they are going to do it actually do it, at the same time how can killing a person merely for saying they wish to do something be justified? Thought Crime carries the death penalty? Execution for one expressing their freedom of speech ? No matter how screwed that speech/ideology is, it should not carry death by the government as a consequence.

So I guess it is a question of how much one trusts their government to be truthful about imminent threats before carrying out these sorts of actions.


I agree with what you're saying--but something has to be said for hanging around a terrorist organization that has made threats against the country and carried them out in the past. I think these people cease being civilians and become soldiers.
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I just hope these sorts of missions are in fact carried out for the reasons stated.

That there is in fact an imminent threat, and threat is to the public, not some rich guys wallet or other political or shady reasons.

I want to trust the government to have my and everyone else's best interests at heart. Sometimes that takes effort, however.

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Tuffy wrote:

The U.S. government has the right to order the killing of American citizens overseas if they are senior al-Qaeda leaders who pose an imminent terrorist threat and cannot reasonably be captured, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. said Monday.

Justified, legal, and moral. Get over it.

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I don't know why that little girl looks so sad, milk is good for you!

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I don't know why that little girl looks so sad, milk is good for you!

This is why I don't eat cereal--I find that the combination of warm milk and soggy flakes is disgusting. I totally get it.
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Lesser irrelevant guy: I think there is a huge difference between a proven senior operational leader of Al-qaeda and the average American citizen. Are you saying it is better for such a person to live and possibly kill thousands of people, than for that person to be taken out first? I am sure you would have a different view of one of your loved ones were a victim. Besides in a free world nobody needs permission to kill someone they just need to accept the consequences if they do. Also, just because the President can do such a thing doesn't mean he would.

Response: Proven Senior Operational Most High? No, not at all. This is the first comment on the killing of these three US citizens (not to discount non-US civilian casualties) and the general attorney couldn't even say the names of the people killed. Just that nobody's going to stop them. To date, no evidence of criminal activity by these three dead men has been presented by their executioner.There was no attempt to capture this guy, or his son. They didn't want him in prison. They wanted him dead, so they killed him. And they used machines similar to those imagined in the Terminator films to do it. This is a disgusting rejection of basic principles of civilized society, and I'm sorry that your allegiance to some man, or some office would prevent you from seeing that.

I feel sorry for all of you.

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