New Orleans Evacuated Today
reading this thread makes me wish i had television or internet at my house.
they just showed on tv some dead guy in the middle of the road
apparently they just left him there...it's fucking horrible
definitely sounds more entertaining that 9-11. again, wish i had a television.
update: [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4199618.stm]also, it could be worse.[/url]
it's disturbing to see this [I]in america[/I]
sure, but don't forget, this is happening in louisiana so it's almost to be expected.
whaddya mean?
well, let's see--lousiana is dirty poor, it's in a place known for hurricanes and they built their most famous city 15 feet below sea level and right on the coast. don't tell me this came as a surprise to anyone.
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[QUOTE=Spike]Shit.
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Thanks, TV news, for sanitizing fucking everything. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Sanitation is used by doctors (rightfully so), politicians, hairdressers born in the twenties, presidents and american newscasters who tell you thirteen children drowned before cutting to a shampoo commercial.
On the news today. msnbc or one of them, they had viewer email. Three in a row were saying that the reason the rescue and relief effort was slow was that the people were poor and black.
That's a terrible way to think.
The gov't can't do anything in a day. Too many forms.
"well she's either a cruel horny bitch or she might actually like you." - audreythirteen
it might be terrible, but its the truth. if beverly hills went down in a hurricane, you'd better believe people would be hustling their ass to get the millionaire's food and water and safe shelter.
there are already reports of rape, beatings and murder.
Beverly Hills is a tiny area.
This is a way bigger. Or as I like to say, biggerer.
"well she's either a cruel horny bitch or she might actually like you." - audreythirteen
[QUOTE=ArcherDylan27]there are already reports of rape, beatings and murder.[/QUOTE]
Inside the "Shelters"
Jane's G-d forbid that you're female and caught on the street.
"well she's either a cruel horny bitch or she might actually like you." - audreythirteen
[QUOTE=ArcherDylan27]there are already reports of rape, beatings and murder.[/QUOTE]
Someone was raped in the Astrodome tonight too. So now they're calling more cops in to watch them.
how can you rape someone without privacy, i wonder?
[QUOTE=alex cassun]how can you rape someone without privacy, i wonder?[/QUOTE]
With a friend.
"well she's either a cruel horny bitch or she might actually like you." - audreythirteen
[QUOTE=rkdaley]Beverly Hills is a tiny area.
This is a way bigger. Or as I like to say, biggerer.[/QUOTE]
still, if it happened in New York there'd be a much bigger outcry and demand that things get done faster, and things definitely would get done faster, because they're more wealthy and they're more white.
[QUOTE=rkdaley]With a friend.[/QUOTE]
oh i know, it was rhetorical.
[QUOTE=rkdaley]On the news today. msnbc or one of them, they had viewer email. Three in a row were saying that the reason the rescue and relief effort was slow was that the people were poor and black.
That's a terrible way to think.
The gov't can't do anything in a day. Too many forms.[/QUOTE]
the government cant do anything. theyre too busy about money.
the place i work for sends us emails any time something tragic happens, and they always donate $1 Million. Same thing with Tsunami Relief, the London Bombing and with 9/11. They said they wil match employees up to an additonal $1 Million, for an estimate of $3 Million donation to Louisiana.....and some to the other coasts....
But get this, its because we had banking centers there.....as with London, NY, and 9/11...
thats kind of screwy.
how long do they think it will take to start cleaning up? If money is gifted to these places, are they taxed on it?
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Guess voting for Bush wasn't such a great idea after all, no? They had this coming.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
if that's true, look out man--ohio's going to get their faces raped in.
*fingers crossed*
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
[QUOTE=rkdaley]With a friend.[/QUOTE]
Why do I think of one of your workshop poems now....
[QUOTE=Maddetchke Malorkus]It doesn't matter. I'd be looting/finding/taking if I were there. I'd be trying to survive. If the law enforcers aren't there to protect and serve then I wouldn't respect the law's abstract ideals that have no relevence in a situation where I felt abandoned by them.[/QUOTE]
your absolutly right
when it comes down to it
you gotta lookout for yourself and your family
and if that means taking from a store thats in ruins already
who really should fucking stop you?
the asian shop owner with the gun in your face saying "no rooting arrowed."
[QUOTE=Maddetchke Malorkus]apparently, according to the AP, white people [URL=http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1]find things[/URL]. Black people [URL=http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530]loot[/URL].[/QUOTE]
Damage control:
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I would've simply released a statement pointing out that the lady in the first picture didn't really look white.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
if it wasn't for the religion, i'd respect this person's opinion:
Why is everyone so worried about it anyway? When the owners go back into the stores, they'll chalk all of it up to a loss and collect a big insurance check. It's not like they'll try to salvage and re-sell it.
I say we focus on the selfish business owners who won't just GIVE the victims the stuff. Isn't it hypocritical if Walmart donates $100K to the efforts, but getting mad because people "stole/looted" from them? It's like the Bible says, when a man is hungry, you feed him first, THEN you try to lecture/preach to them.
Besides, what are the authorities going to do? Lock them up? ...Oh, they can't...the jails are flooded...why don't they release some of the murderers and rapists to make room for these vicious criminals stealing for no reason.
Bottom line: I know one thing, if I see a pack of diapers and some PediaSure in a store, all I'm thinking about is my son, then I'll pray for forgiveness so I don't go to hell for theft...
here's one i like--because, of course bush was the cause of the hurricane LOL.
All these items will be replaced by insurance anyways, this is insane.
I'm glad I'm not american, I would be ashamed... Hell I think I am just from this very thing.
-Gag- You guys voted Bush back in, you deal with the misery we all knew he would cause.
You can be sure if their was a war, soldiers would be firing off bullets in 12 hours. -lol-
He definitely caused the flood by taking the money that was going to be used to fix the levees and spending it on the war.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
[QUOTE=alex cassun]if it wasn't for the religion, i'd respect this person's opinion:
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Don't you respect the opinioun regardless of religion?
If you’re hungry, wet, cold, desperate and suffering you'll do whatever you can to get out of it. That means breaking a shitload of federal laws. You can't hold these people to the same standard. Especially when you preach from comfort. That's sick insane.
The breaking of moral laws is another topic.
[QUOTE]here's one i like--because, of course bush was the cause of the hurricane LOL[/QUOTE]
He's not the cause, unless Katrina was pressured Air finally escaping his head.
[QUOTE=Minuet]the government cant do anything. theyre too busy about money.
the place i work for sends us emails any time something tragic happens, and they always donate $1 Million. Same thing with Tsunami Relief, the London Bombing and with 9/11. They said they wil match employees up to an additonal $1 Million, for an estimate of $3 Million donation to Louisiana.....and some to the other coasts....
But get this, its because we had banking centers there.....as with London, NY, and 9/11...
thats kind of screwy.
how long do they think it will take to start cleaning up? If money is gifted to these places, are they taxed on it?[/QUOTE]
The irony of benevolence and banks 
Money seems to only be good at dividing people.
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How is this looking to you guys in the US?
Because from over here (UK) the "rescue mission" is looking more and more like a total shambles. I saw more immediate aid for Tsunami-hit Indonesia than this major US city.
I'm listening to Jeffrey Sachs on the radio talking about the warped priorities of federal government in the US. It boggles the mind.
Your feeling pretty much sums up that of my own. There definitely is no 'plan' that the Gov't is going by, they just seem to be saying "Yeah, we'll help here" or "Nope, no fucking way we're staying in this place."
[CENTER]Simple Logic is Wasted on Simple Minds.[/CENTER]
I'm disgusted with the way it's being handled. There are people there that haven't had food or water in, well 4 days now. Because of a bunch of jerks running around with guns - don't tell me that the military and police that they have there can't take care of that. They're stopping people that are trying to get in to help those people from going in.
People are raising money all over the place here -- and there were some evacuated, but there's a very large group of people just sitting in downtown New Orleans with nothing.
And that's all they say, "Help is on the way." Help should have been on the way days ago. And the people that are sitting there, waiting for this 'help' don't even know it's on the way because ... they don't have television.
Morning rant time...
People on the news keep comparing this to 9/11. I don't see why. They're not even close. Apologies to those who lost loved ones in the WTC towers, but Katrina is much, much worse.
9/11 was inflicted upon us deliberately by an identifiable enemy. America took it personally, and bound together (briefly, but long enough) to show a lot of resolve in the face of adversity.
Katrina has no face. There is no focal point for all this rage, so it's diverting inwards. Anarchy ensues. There are no whiz-bang Jerry Bruckheimer explosions to draw people's attentions, just a slow drowning/starving of thousands of people who were mostly below the poverty line before this happened.
9/11 happened to a symbol of America. Everyone rallied behind its loss.
Katrina hit an area that many people feel deserved a good washout. The media keeps pointing out that all the pictures of chaos look like something out of Somalia. We're already mentally distancing ourselves from the event. It's a sickening form of denial.
9/11 affected thousands of people, but in a relatively contained space. Quick government action secured the areas hit and prevented chaos.
Katrina has affected tens of thousands of people spread over multiple states. No specific targets, just a blanket of flooding and destruction. Police are giving up. With all the resources we have over in Iraq now, we're incapable of quickly restoring order and rescuing our own people.
So, overall, 9/11 cost a lot of lives, but also showed the terrorists that we can take a punch without rolling over and dying.
Katrina hit us much harder, and we're not getting up. We're weakened. We LOOK weakened. If the terrorists were waiting for their next opportunity to strike, they just got it.
I don't live anywhere near New Orleans, but I'm actually more scared for myself and the country now than I was in the days after 9/11.
That's what I thought.
I think there's a bit of incredulity over here at what's going on. Obviously all reports have to be taken with a pinch of salt, but from what I've seen helicopters have just been dropping packets of food and then flying off.
This is sub-third world treatment! I'd be outraged if I was an an American citizen witnessing this - but what must those people feel like? Abandoned and totally fucked over? Bush dips his wings over the area what - a day ago - and now he's just heading down there?
How much of this statement is true:
The Government is reacting a lot slower to this than they would if it was thousands of affluent white people huddled in a sports stadium.
[QUOTE=Riddlegimp]That's what I thought.
I think there's a bit of incredulity over here at what's going on. Obviously all reports have to be taken with a pinch of salt, but from what I've seen helicopters have just been dropping packets of food and then flying off.
This is sub-third world treatment! I'd be outraged if I was an an American citizen witnessing this - but what must those people feel like? Abandoned and totally fucked over? Bush dips his wings over the area what - a day ago - and now he's just heading down there?
[B]How much of this statement is true:
The Government is reacting a lot slower to this than they would if it was thousands of affluent white people huddled in a sports stadium.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I think - and I've heard some people questioning why they didn't evacuate in the first place - most of them had no way to get out and no money and they went to the designated shelters and now they're stuck there.
I lived there for 12 years, so I'm a little biased about this in a way, but they've had no food, no water, and no medicine for days. They wouldn't even let neonates out on a helicopter yesterday - people who were stuck in ICU before the hurricane are still there - if they're still alive because the hospitals have no electricity.
There was apparently a report last night, showing a cop that was there to prevent looting. The cameraman filmed some people leaving a store with food and diapers and asked the cop if he was just going to let them do that. He said that he was - the people need to take care of their families - and the food was going to go bad eventually anyway. He'd let them do that, but he wasn't going to let anyone break into the electronics store across the street. I was glad to hear that at least.
I haven't even heard about the food packets being dropped in, but I haven't read anything about it today.
[QUOTE=Riddlegimp]How much of this statement is true:
The Government is reacting a lot slower to this than they would if it was thousands of affluent white people huddled in a sports stadium.[/QUOTE]
That's a trick question. It's got nothing to do with being white. It's got to do with being affluent. Otherwise they wouldn't devote so many news articles to finding Fats Domino. If you've got money, you'll get found faster, or buy your way out. No big conspiracy.
[QUOTE=jase]That's a trick question. It's got nothing to do with being white. It's got to do with being affluent. Otherwise they wouldn't devote so many news articles to finding Fats Domino. If you've got money, you'll get found faster, or buy your way out. No big conspiracy.[/QUOTE]
OK, so it's a loaded question, but it still seems that this is taking way longer than it should to mount a serious rescue bid. And if people with money hadn't got out faster, would they be out by now?
[QUOTE=Riddlegimp]OK, so it's a loaded question, but it still seems that this is taking way longer than it should to mount a serious rescue bid. And if people with money hadn't got out faster, would they be out by now?[/QUOTE]
Probably. People with money have more means of escape than people who are below the poverty line. Either way, the situation does make us look pretty pathetic.
I mean, we've devoted something like 400 billion dollars towards a democracy in Iraq and our government ponies up a paltry 10.5 billion dollar relief fund for its own people living in anarchy. Where are the priorities?
I wonder how much of that 10.5 will be spent saving the oil down there instead of the people?
I just don't know what the major holdup is. This is a failure on a lot of levels. The Army Corps of Engineers has been asking for funds for decades to secure the levees that are now broken, but it has been cut time and time again. Just a year ago, they simulated this very scenario in a computer simulation and confirmed that this weakness was there.
It's like Bill Maher said: "When did we become the stupid country???"
[QUOTE=Riddlegimp]How is this looking to you guys in the US?
Because from over here (UK) the "rescue mission" is looking more and more like a total shambles. I saw more immediate aid for Tsunami-hit Indonesia than this major US city.
I'm listening to Jeffrey Sachs on the radio talking about the warped priorities of federal government in the US. It boggles the mind.[/QUOTE]
The priorities and logic behind or government has always been an enigma. What your seeing and hearing sums up how we handle tragedy and chaos, like chimps with backdoor trots hurling liquid shit.
And yeah, what Jase says is the simple truth. If you have the piles of green you'll be found faster. I'll hold off on my extreme pessimism regarding government priorities.
[QUOTE=Ozymandias]He definitely caused the flood by taking the money that was going to be used to fix the levees and spending it on the war.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and all of a sudden officials seem so surprised those levees actually broke, not to mention the fact our homeland securities yahoo seems shocked that a hurricane of epic proportions would even cause massive flooding in the first place. And yet in 2001 the doomsday disaster a hurricane would cause if it hit New Orleans was predicted and FEMA itself ranked that as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country: [url]http://www.hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/houston.htm[/url] And it happened. And our government was caught with its pants down. And Bush calls it an "unfortunate setback."
Our government and the way it's handling this, or not handling it as it were, is a fucking disgrace.
Your "morning rant" was nicely said, Jase, and I agree. I'm also scared for what's to come. If this still-developing news story is true, there's going to be a lot of blood spilling: [url]http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Governor_gives_authorization_to_shoot_kill_hurricane_survivor_ho_0901.html[/url].
This whole thing makes me sick beyond belief.
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i wish they would stop calling them refugees. the astrodome is now known as 'refugee city'. also, why is it only black people? maybe it's just the media, but that's all i see piling off of busses. there are other races in new orleans right?
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Your "morning rant" was nicely said, Jase, and I agree. I'm also scared for what's to come. If this still-developing news story is true, there's going to be a lot of blood spilling: [url]http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Governor_gives_authorization_to_shoot_kill_hurricane_survivor_ho_0901.html[/url]. [/QUOTE]
I read about this earlier and it's definitely not pretty. I can understand the intentions in terms of making sure any rescue workers can do their job and not get shot, but still, "shoot to kill" never goes over well, regardless of the circumstances.
[QUOTE=big S]i wish they would stop calling them refugees. the astrodome is now known as 'refugee city'. also, why is it only black people? maybe it's just the media, but that's all i see piling off of busses. there are other races in new orleans right?[/QUOTE]
Sure there are other races, but there's other factors too, such as whether the people still there are at or below the poverty level, meaning having a ride to get out of town, or even know people to bum a ride. Some are probably just stubborn and decided to sit it out, but others probably didn't have much choice, and had to stay.
Some probably aren't poor but still don't have a ride to get out.
Those are just some guesses.
so they were interviewing people getting off of the busses right? and there was this dude, alvin was his name, and he was homeless like everyone else and the newsguy got his story and a viewer felt bad so he went down to the astrodome and told alvin he can stay with him and his wife. then the newsguy talks to alvin again and alvin says 'i was homeless before the hurricane so you understand where i am'. yeah, exactly where you were before the hurricane. what, did your box float away? you didn't lose SHIT, asshole.
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[QUOTE=alex cassun]reading this thread makes me wish i had television or internet at my house.[/QUOTE]
You have the radio, don't you?
I was listening to the doctors talking about it, how they heard gunshots, had no medication, no clean water, no electricity, had to manually pump a kid's heart for 20 minutes while the chopper took them away because the heart pumper machine was 300 pounds and they couldn't get it up the stairs to the helipad.
And the worst was when he said that every night when the sun goes down it gets worse. It's like a bad horror movie of the apocalypse, it must feel like dawn of the dead. And I feel like an asshole for musing about how bad it must be for them while I'm comfy and clean and full and safe up here in my office clicking away on the computer, not helping at all.
Bush said he didnt' expect other countries to help, because he hadn't asked for help. The second in command of the German whatever who is sending support sort of seemed bemused when he said we are a country with infinite resources but we still may need assistance.
I don't know why they don't just open those stores up to people to let them take whatever they want. It hurts me deeply to see armed policemen pointing guns at people and forcing them to their knees after they drop an armful of clothes. Or when this one guy is stealing something from a convenience store and a reporter corners him and pressures him to admit that what he did was wrong because it's stealing. WTF.
I heard GW say something like, "There will be zero tolerance of crimes committed" and it was reported in the context of the looting that's happening.
That's a shame.
I remember when GW gave a speech in the days following 9/11 and he was trying to sound very casual and in-control when he said something like, "Go out and resume your lives. Shop. Resume your lives." There was something in his voice when he said that--maybe fear and a little desperation. I heard it. I understand that he has to be concerned about the economy, but I often get the sense from him that that's mostly all that matters to him and that the rest is a facade. Like he's going through the motions of sounding concerned.
[QUOTE=Maddetchke Malorkus]You may be joking. But when I showed the pictures to my coworker she said the same thing and she wasn't joking. Anyway if you want to get specific the white guy has a backpack and you don't know how many people the black guy is sharing with. Maybe the white guy is a rapist, maybe the black guy is a Christian, maybe he's a liar, maybe the white guy is a really generous tipper at restaurants. It doesn't matter. I'd be looting/finding/taking if I were there. I'd be trying to survive. If the law enforcers aren't there to protect and serve then I wouldn't respect the law's abstract ideals that have no relevence in a situation where I felt abandoned by them.[/QUOTE]
Apparently others have noticed: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/page/photostatement[/url]
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