men are doooooooomed!!!!!!

What is even the point of that? woman can produce sperm in the future. ok, so the world will be able to give lesbians childeren of their own. great. but, seriously, what other uses could it have? i mean, why would a man want woman sperm if he were infertile? i don't know, maybe i'm closeminded and it's a great thing. it just seems weird, and silly. what about the male egg?

sperm doners?

it could be helpfull for infertile men. could a woman get herself pregnant? that'd be weird.

[QUOTE=Westontinople]sperm doners?[/QUOTE]

oh, shut up. That's like saying "cobblers?".

Did anyone read the comments aftre the article? Who the fuck cares.

[QUOTE=Westontinople]enjoy sex while you can still get it

[url]http://www.irishhealth.com/?level=4&id=9863[/url][/QUOTE]
why?
i didn't see anything in there about me not being able to masturbate anymore

[QUOTE=mirka]oh, shut up. That's like saying "cobblers?".[/QUOTE]
you mean like the old timey shoe makers?

no, i thought a cobbler was someone who used a cobblestone, to make, like, spears and chissled pots and stuff.

i didnt really get the refference either.

[QUOTE=nathaniel parker]you mean like the old timey shoe makers?[/QUOTE]

Yeah.

I was just being random.

I just found it random and annoying that this thread was posted like women just want men for their [I]sperm[/I].

I'm pretty sure that cobblers are, in fact, old-timey shoe makers, and Mirka's suggesting that the old-timey sperm donors don't fulfill the same function as a new scientific breakthrough that would allow a formerly infertile man and his wife or indeed, a lesbian couple, to have a child that genetically belongs to both parents. Two people who want to have a child together are settling for something else when they adopt or when they use donated sperm.

Edit: Or maybe she meant something completely different. I was overlooking what the thread title insinuated. Everyone knows that a man is an erection AND a wallet. Vibrators don't come with their own bank accounts. Or even the ability to push lawnmowers. However, if you [i]find[/i] a vibrator that can push a lawnmower... okay, I'm stopping now.

[QUOTE=mirka]
I just found it random and annoying that this thread was posted like women just want men for their [I]sperm[/I].[/QUOTE]

true. my appologies

[QUOTE=vigorous puppy] Everyone knows that a man is an erection AND a wallet. .[/QUOTE]

I certainly did not mean or mean to imply that I think THAT.

I adore men. I have three younger brothers that I practically raised and I would hate them to ever feel diminished by that kind of attitude.

[QUOTE=Westontinople]true. my appologies[/QUOTE]

No worries. I'm just a spaz sometimes.

[QUOTE=LeHaHi]it could be helpfull for infertile men. could a woman get herself pregnant? that'd be weird.[/QUOTE]

Sperm has to be male "so to speak."

It has that X

[QUOTE=mirka]I certainly did not mean or mean to imply that I think THAT.
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And I didn't mean to imply that you meant to imply it. It was just a bit of off-color humour that I thought was obvious enough not to need smilies.

[QUOTE=vigorous puppy]And I didn't mean to imply that you meant to imply it. It was just a bit of off-color humour that I thought was obvious enough not to need smilies.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I thought you were being bitter. I didn't realize you were joking. Apologies.

[QUOTE=veryhungryhobo]Sperm has to be male "so to speak."

It has that X[/QUOTE]

Women are responsible for the X, men are responsible for the why's.

[QUOTE=mirka]Oh, I thought you were being bitter. I didn't realize you were joking. Apologies. :)[/QUOTE]
Well, I apologize to everybody if I inadvertantly reinforced the 'Married With Children' vision of male and female sex roles. You and I have talked before about these negative and inaccurate media stereotypes and how potentially destructive they are. That stuff is good only in very small doses and only when seen as a parody.

The truly sick thing is we have a national ego characterized by a limitless will to impose our image on the world, all aggressive and devoid of self-understanding, full of ignorance and righteous zeal, and just underneath that we have the Al Bundy version of the domestic American man, neutered, boyish and pathetic, infantile and driven by nothing more than a simple lust he usually can't fulfill, kept on a short leash by his woman, hamstrung by the minor indignities of earning just enough to support his family, no source of wisdom or advise for his children..

That shit makes me want to puke if I think about it much at all. And then I start sounding academic and unfunny like usual.

Good, I don't think my shit works anyway. You ever read the warnings on a pack of pellets? Heh...cause I didn't, until yesterday, which was far too fucking late.

[QUOTE=Nightrious]Good, I don't think my shit works anyway. You ever read the warnings on a pack of pellets? Heh...cause I didn't, until yesterday, which was far too fucking late.[/QUOTE]
Oh shit, what did you do?

[QUOTE=vigorous puppy]Well, I apologize to everybody if I inadvertantly reinforced the 'Married With Children' vision of male and female sex roles. You and I have talked before about these negative and inaccurate media stereotypes and how potentially destructive they are. That stuff is good only in very small doses and only when seen as a parody.

The truly sick thing is we have a national ego characterized by a limitless will to impose our image on the world, all aggressive and devoid of self-understanding, full of ignorance and righteous zeal, and just underneath that we have the Al Bundy version of the domestic American man, neutered, boyish and pathetic, infantile and driven by nothing more than a simple lust he usually can't fulfill, kept on a short leash by his woman, hamstrung by the minor indignities of earning just enough to support his family, no source of wisdom or advise for his children..

That shit makes me want to puke if I think about it much at all. And then I start sounding academic and unfunny like usual.;)[/QUOTE]

Mark, we have talked about it before, so I guess I felt somewhat flustered and ambushed when you made those comments in regards to a post by me. WITHOUT s smilie.

I hate that shit so much. It's exactly what you say, men being portrayed as simple and "infantile". You see it on sitcoms and commercials. It's not just insulting to men, but to women, also. Women don't want to be portrayed as maternal or patronizing. Sex for us isn't like a chore or a prize.

I just got really annoyed by the idea that now men won't "get" sex because women can make sperm. It's the concept of "getting". Sex is not "getting", it's also not just giving. It's a whole range of things from romping to being as close as you humanely can be to another person. It always bugs me when it's diminished or caricatured as something men and women barter with.

[QUOTE=vigorous puppy]Oh shit, what did you do?[/QUOTE]

Whoa, I implied that I shot one of my fellas with a pellet gun, didn't I?

I was actually talking about lead poisoning. The warning states that you should wash hands carefully after handling, because if the lead can cause reproductive problems and birth defects. I've had these fucking things in my mouth when I was a kid.

[QUOTE=Nightrious]Whoa, I implied that I shot one of my fellas with a pellet gun, didn't I?

I was actually talking about lead poisoning. The warning states that you should wash hands carefully after handling, because if the lead can cause reproductive problems and birth defects. I've had these fucking things in my mouth when I was a kid.[/QUOTE]
I knew a guy who used to do that and turned out he was infertile. However, he lived a very unhealthy life which I think is what made him infertile.

[QUOTE=Prophetess]I knew a guy who used to do that and turned out he was infertile. However, he lived a very unhealthy life which I think is what made him infertile.[/QUOTE]

Well I'm glad we cleared that up. I feel much better now.

[QUOTE=Nightrious]Well I'm glad we cleared that up. I feel much better now.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure all the water you drink has flushed all that lead out. Go make smart, angry babies!

As long as you haven't had lead pellets in your mouth [i]since[/i] you were a child...

come on now Forrest, is it [i]when[/i] or is it [i]since[/i]?

[QUOTE=mirka]I'm sure all the water you drink has flushed all that lead out. Go make smart, angry babies![/QUOTE]
Excellent point.

Water > All Else

[QUOTE=vigorous puppy]As long as you haven't had lead pellets in your mouth [i]since[/i] you were a child...

come on now Forrest, is it [i]when[/i] or is it [i]since[/i]?[/QUOTE]

When?

I mean..

When.

[QUOTE=mirka]Mark, we have talked about it before, so I guess I felt somewhat flustered and ambushed when you made those comments in regards to a post by me. WITHOUT s smilie.

Well, I sure didn't mean to ambush. Sorry about that.

Yet, the proliferation of the Al Bundy type, and everything else that's consonant with it, still may contribute to the overall crisis in our national self-image and certainly does nothing to raise the level of public discourse. At its best, it's little more than a distraction, since it's no longer in fashion to find any moral component in art or popular entertainment. And what about the kids, the young men, who lap it all up unreflectively? The media image of a strong and confident man is usually also a man who specializes in violence. And that's truly unfortunate.

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I just got really annoyed by the idea that now men won't "get" sex because women can make sperm. It's the concept of "getting". Sex is not "getting", it's also not just giving. It's a whole range of things from romping to being as close as you humanely can be to another person. It always bugs me when it's diminished or caricatured as something men and women barter with.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Sex, at its best, is certainly better than the media knows how to portray it. The media version of good sex is anonymous or illicit, maybe adulterous, rapacious, stolen, pornographic. And the media version of commited sex is this diminished image of marriage as a hell of compromises and long-term prostitution. ridiculous extremes.

I don't think that power and politics are neatly separable from our sex lives, or that people often have a good basis in equality and genuine friendship with a sex partner, but I do think the more inequitable and abusive potential in that is exploited and taken to the extreme by Hollywood for the sake of cheap drama.

Can anybody think of a movie that does it really well? Shows sex like something that involves your whole being, and like something a sane person could want to experience?

"Don't Look Now" has a pretty realistic - some might say touching - sex scene between a couple that have been together for a long time.