London Explosions

I know there's another thread for this, but I hope the Brit members and their families are ok.

hope all our British friends here are safe as well as their families. i can't wait till we make the middle east a perking lot. fucking pathetic bastgards

This is very sad news, my thoughts are with the victims of this tragedy and their loved ones. I hope the best for our brit culties.

[QUOTE=marte]hope all our British friends here are safe as well as their families. i can't wait till we make the middle east a perking lot. fucking pathetic bastgards[/QUOTE]

I wholeheartedly agree with the level of shock, anger, and frustration demonstrated in the post above, but our goal is to fight terrorism, not destroy the Middle East. Even though I know you are venting anger, I want to just say that.

Aside from a few horrible exceptions, the vast amount of Muslims aren't out to kill all Westerners, nor would they advocate that. I'm not a big fan of organized religions in general, but most people aren't murdering subway commuters or throwing acid on women who wear lipstick, no matter how bizarre their religious beliefs are.

My thoughts go out to all our British friends here and the rest of the British people. Hope everything's alright.

When I started hearing this on the radio this morning I knew that Liverpool Street was going to be a target. It's pretty much the Grand Central Station of London. I can't believe these bastards. Thoughts and prayers with all of you.

[QUOTE=marte]hope all our British friends here are safe as well as their families. i can't wait till we make the middle east a perking lot. fucking pathetic bastgards[/QUOTE]

We dont even know who did this. The G8 summit is a huge target for anarchists, anti-globalizations and people who just like to cause trouble. Going off blaming thsi on the Middle East is a joke and makes you look pathetic, and its ignorant. Yes, it is terrible and disgusting that people use these low life tactics, killing innocent people and civilians for causes that they are not even involved with.Yes, it is disgusting that people like this exist. But jumping your guns and blaming people who may not even be involved doesnt make you much better.

[QUOTE=marte]hope all our British friends here are safe as well as their families. i can't wait till we make the middle east a perking lot. fucking pathetic bastgards[/QUOTE]
you're a fucking ignorant asshole and it's this kind of thinking that's going to keep this kind of action going for a long time.

Riddle Gimp if you see this please post. I forget where you live but I'm pretty sure it's not London, but since I know you're in the British group please pass along any info you guys might want to share.

Crap, maybe you do live in London, I know there is a Londoner here, just not sure who.
[QUOTE=marte]hope all our British friends here are safe as well as their families. i can't wait till we make the middle east a perking lot. fucking pathetic bastgards[/QUOTE]
this is shit thinking.
edit: it isn't thinking.

I for one am excited about the "perking lot". I always have trouble finding a place to "perk" my "cer". It's an "Ecura"!!

"git 'er done!"

edit: also, isn't oil enough of a perk? do we really need to make a whole perking lot?

[QUOTE=alex cassun]"git 'er done!"

edit: also, isn't oil enough of a perk? do we really need to make a whole perking lot?[/QUOTE]

You need oil to make tar to make parking lots.

[QUOTE=Undertow]You need oil to make tar to make parking lots.[/QUOTE]

No no no...."perking lots" are made with "ter"!

Okay...I'm done! I always gotta take it a step too fer.

[QUOTE=urmynme]No no no...."perking lots" are made with "ter"!

Okay...I'm done! I always gotta take it a step too fer.[/QUOTE]

But I'm not from Uteh.

[QUOTE=Undertow]I know there's another thread for this, but I hope the Brit members and their families are ok.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, post if you can folks.

[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]Riddle Gimp if you see this please post. I forget where you live but I'm pretty sure it's not London, but since I know you're in the British group please pass along any info you guys might want to share.

Crap, maybe you do live in London, I know there is a Londoner here, just not sure who.

this is shit thinking.
edit: it isn't thinking.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he lives in London.

No idea where the hell some people in this thread were running, but some very fine folks have friends and family in London. Doesn't seem like you understand the concept of friends or family. Thats horribly sad. This is a frightening experience, as we are all in the dark as to how our loved ones are doing over there. I don't have friends or family living in London but I have a loved one who does. Take a moment to think and feel before you commence with dribbling derogation. This whole situation is devastating.

edit: We're still waiting for word as to how things are going over there right now, I pray to the gods right now for my cherished one's family.

[QUOTE=snuffy]

I wholeheartedly agree with the level of shock, anger, and frustration demonstrated in the post above, but our goal is to fight terrorism, not destroy the Middle East. Even though I know you are venting anger, I want to just say that.[/QUOTE]
See, this is the problem, terrorists want to destroy the west. It seems to me that we ought to make a similar goal and destroy the middel east. They have all demonstrted they incompatibility with the rest of the species. Why not turn them into glass?

If we really were the new Rome, we wouldn't even be having this debate.

Hell, if we were England in the 1800's we wouldn't be having this debate.

There are many other ways to eliminate this particular sort of devastation, sadly, none of the capable countries are initiating these methods, and they let it all happen, politics are crooked. Nukes are not the answer.

[QUOTE=Spike]Aside from a few horrible exceptions, the vast amount of Muslims aren't out to kill all Westerners, nor would they advocate that. I'm not a big fan of organized religions in general, but most people aren't murdering subway commuters or throwing acid on women who wear lipstick, no matter how bizarre their religious beliefs are.[/QUOTE]
This is true. Buta majority of the residents of Dresden weren't out to massacre Jews either. I think its time to start treating this like a war rather than a media realtions event. You know what? In a war a lot of innocent civilians die. The trick is to make sure they aren't [I]your[/I] innocent civilians. I say kill them all.

[QUOTE=Parkaboy]See, this is the problem, terrorists want to destroy the west. It seems to me that we ought to make a similar goal and destroy the middel east. They have all demonstrted they incompatibility with the rest of the species. Why not turn them into glass?[/QUOTE]

Here's a simplified answer, so I don't put you to sleep droning on and on:

As a civilization with enormous wealth and prosperity, our goal is security. Security enhances stability, which enables continued economic prosperity.

Economic prosperity has more than it's share of social problems, but it helps curb the hunger, illness, and poverty that plague civilization. A society that is less hungry, sick, and poor is more happy, productive, and socially enriched. After all, it's rather difficult to write the Great American Novel when you are too busy having constant, excruciatingly painful diarrhea.

So, back to security and stability. Will the murder of every single human being in the Middle East make America safer? I don't think so. I think it will mobilize the world against us like never before. In other words, we will have 6.1 billion or so terrorists to deal with.

The greatest way to deal with the Middle East is to encourage economic prosperity in that region.

[QUOTE=Eq]There are many other ways to eliminate this particular sort of devastation, sadly, none of the capable countries are initiating these methods, and they let it all happen, politics are crooked. Nukes are not the answer.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you see the big picture.

Why don't you go on posturing about our insensitivites you fucking n00b. You don't even know any of these people, so fuck off.

[QUOTE=MockyMockins]We dont even know who did this. The G8 summit is a huge target for anarchists, anti-globalizations and people who just like to cause trouble. Going off blaming thsi on the Middle East is a joke and makes you look pathetic, and its ignorant. Yes, it is terrible and disgusting that people use these low life tactics, killing innocent people and civilians for causes that they are not even involved with.Yes, it is disgusting that people like this exist. But jumping your guns and blaming people who may not even be involved doesnt make you much better.[/QUOTE]
what part of "islamic extremist group claims responsibility" does your tiny canadian brain not understand

[QUOTE=snuffy]Here's a simplified answer, so I don't put you to sleep droning on and on:

As a civilization with enormous wealth and prosperity, our goal is security. Security enhances stability, which enables continued economic prosperity.

Economic prosperity has more than it's share of social problems, but it helps curb the hunger, illness, and poverty that plague civilization. A society that is less hungry, sick, and poor is more happy, productive, and socially enriched. After all, it's rather difficult to write the Great American Novel when you are too busy having constant, excruciatingly painful diarrhea.

So, back to security and stability. Will the murder of every single human being in the Middle East make America safer? I don't think so. I think it will mobilize the world against us like never before. In other words, we will have 6.1 billion or so terrorists to deal with.

The greatest way to deal with the Middle East is to encourage economic prosperity in that region.[/QUOTE]The thing is, killing everyone in the middle east would make America safe from the middle east. And as for the world mobilizing against the US (and Britain I think would be on the side of America too) well, they really couldn't do much about it. And I think, honestly, after people got over the shopck of this totally hypothetical and unlikely scenario, really, the world generally wouldn't miss anything in the mid east except the oil. We'd all just ignore it like we do the atrocities in Africa. The "world" such as it is, has a tremendous propensity for ignoring really horribl;e things if there isn't mony involved in said things. We're a rather pathetic species most of the time. You know what shocked me most about 9/11? That people actually helped each other out of those buidlings, I really didn't think we had it in us anymore. Most of the time, I'm ashamed opf our race. After seeing War of the Worlds, besides it sucking and all, I felt we basically deserved it.

[QUOTE=Parkaboy]The thing is, killing everyone in the middle east would make America safe from the middle east. And as for the world mobilizing against the US (and Britain I think would be on the side of America too) well, they really couldn't do much about it. And I think, honestly, after people got over the shopck of this totally hypothetical and unlikely scenario, really, the world generally wouldn't miss anything in the mid east except the oil. We'd all just ignore it like we do the atrocities in Africa. The "world" such as it is, has a tremendous propensity for ignoring really horribl;e things if there isn't mony involved in said things. We're a rather pathetic species most of the time. You know what shocked me most about 9/11? That people actually helped each other out of those buidlings, I really didn't think we had it in us anymore. Most of the time, I'm ashamed opf our race. After seeing War of the Worlds, besides it sucking and all, I felt we basically deserved it.[/QUOTE]
i completely agree. i mean i have seen some goodness in humanity. but not on that scale. i was sitting in my living room stunned that it happened. but more stunned that even for a short time, america didnt seem self absirbed and hard. that we acted like a group of people who actually gave a fuck for each other

[QUOTE=Atomos]i completely agree. i mean i have seen some goodness in humanity. but not on that scale. i was sitting in my living room stunned that it happened. but more stunned that even for a short time, america didnt seem self absirbed and hard. that we acted like a group of people who actually gave a fuck for each other[/QUOTE]
I know, then we went right back into self absortion. Too bad.

how does one find out who was injured or killed? i NEED to know this, been lookin all day

[QUOTE=Minuet]how does one find out who was injured or killed? i NEED to know this, been lookin all day[/QUOTE]
I don't know. I have CNN on and the fatality list seems in flux. I would assume they won't publicly list anything until the families have been notified. Also, and this is grim, they are leaving the bodies where they are for crime scene investigation purposes.

[QUOTE=Parkaboy]The thing is, killing everyone in the middle east would make America safe from the middle east. And as for the world mobilizing against the US (and Britain I think would be on the side of America too) well, they really couldn't do much about it. And I think, honestly, after people got over the shopck of this totally hypothetical and unlikely scenario, really, the world generally wouldn't miss anything in the mid east except the oil. We'd all just ignore it like we do the atrocities in Africa. The "world" such as it is, has a tremendous propensity for ignoring really horribl;e things if there isn't mony involved in said things. We're a rather pathetic species most of the time. You know what shocked me most about 9/11? That people actually helped each other out of those buidlings, I really didn't think we had it in us anymore. Most of the time, I'm ashamed opf our race. After seeing War of the Worlds, besides it sucking and all, I felt we basically deserved it.[/QUOTE]

I'm a fan of the human race, but how we go about achieving our priorities needs an update. The political definition of "stability" has changed, and we need to alter the way we go about gaining it.

[QUOTE=Minuet]how does one find out who was injured or killed? i NEED to know this, been lookin all day[/QUOTE]
i would assume you need to know this because of a friend or family over there. im not sure how easy it would be to do, but you could probably find their phone number faster than CNN will tell you who died. and they might not list them on CNN at all

been talking to family i havent talked to in years, and no one knows. we're all on the edge of our fucking seats. but i imagine theyre ok, theyre supposed to be on holiday.

huh, for some unexplainable reason, i care less about the london explosions than i do about all the dead civilians in iraq and afghanistan, and much less than i cared about the civilians that were killed in new york, pennsylvania and wershington dc. go figure...

[QUOTE=alex cassun]huh, for some unexplainable reason, i care less about the london explosions than i do about all the dead civilians in iraq and afghanistan, and much less than i cared about the civilians that were killed in new york, pennsylvania and wershington dc. go figure...[/QUOTE]
Welcome to modernity. You want an iPod with your apathy? I killed a kid for it.

You know what's strange, I rewrote this story of mine a few days ago and I had it in the London Underground and there was a guy who blew up one of the tunnels with a bomb. He wasn't Islamic, he was crazy homeless guy. But he did do it over God.

God is very problematic.

[QUOTE=alex cassun]huh, for some unexplainable reason, i care less about the london explosions than i do about all the dead civilians in iraq and afghanistan, and much less than i cared about the civilians that were killed in new york, pennsylvania and wershington dc. go figure...[/QUOTE]

this morning i saw both reactions. people absorbed by it and people acting like nothing happened. i have poor views on both groups.

the people absorbed by it are the same ones who couldn't give a shit when every other day we hear about a bus blowing up in the middle east, once they hear its not america, they're like, "oh ,ok" and stop paying attention. but england, i guess, hits home a little more. (i fall in this group)

the people letting it roll off are the same ones who if this happened in ny or ca or anywhere in the US would be all gung ho and teary eyed

[QUOTE=Parkaboy]Welcome to modernity. You want an iPod with your apathy? I killed a kid for it.[/QUOTE]
Nah, I already killed for mine. I could use a P2P...

[QUOTE=alex cassun]Nah, I already killed for mine. I could use a P2P...[/QUOTE]
You mean a PSP, right?

OK, I'll see who's an easy target at the grade school.

[QUOTE=Eq]There are many other ways to eliminate this particular sort of devastation, sadly, none of the capable countries are initiating these methods, and they let it all happen, politics are crooked. Nukes are not the answer.[/QUOTE]
you can't fight anger with anger, it perpetuates and feeds on itself. I openly protest this war and every lie it stands for (which doesn't mean I don't support the troops). a friend died in this fake circus, and when I talk to the dead friend's wife I can't tell her what he died for.

I pray to whatever gods there are that Bush wont use London as a method to fuel his bullshit argument of "WAr on TErrOR." you want a war on terror bushy, why don't you look closer to home?

[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]you can't fight anger with anger, it perpetuates and feeds on itself. I openly protest this war and every lie it stands for (which doesn't mean I don't support the troops). a friend died in this fake circus, and when I talk to the dead friend's wife I can't tell her what he died for.

I pray to whatever gods there are that Bush wont use London as a method to fuel his bullshit argument of "WAr on TErrOR." you want a war on terror bushy, why don't you look closer to home?[/QUOTE]
It's a franchise operation.

Riddlegimp posted in our Britboard this morning, so i'm assuming he's ok.

I just felt the whole thing was so inevitble that it is hard to be shocked. Disgusting as it may sound, I feel a certain relief that if this is the British 9/11, then thank fuck it wasn't a lot worse.

The fact that a death toll clocks up like this every week somewhere in Israel or Palestine puts things into perspective. Or the fact that every hour the same number of children die of hunger in the Third World as people died in 9/11. Imagine the twin towers being struck full of starving children every single hour.. for the last 2 years.

I find these things give me a sense of scale.

[QUOTE=Corbain]Riddlegimp posted in our Britboard this morning, so i'm assuming he's ok.

I just felt the whole thing was so inevitble that it is hard to be shocked. Disgusting as it may sound, I feel a certain relief that if this is the British 9/11, then thank fuck it wasn't a lot worse.

The fact that a death toll clocks up like this every week somewhere in Israel or Palestine puts things into perspective. Or the fact that every hour the same number of children die of hunger in the Third World as people died in 9/11. Imagine the twin towers being struck full of starving children every single hour.. for the last 2 years.

I find these things give me a sense of scale.[/QUOTE]
Israel could stop its terrorism problems if it wanted to.

Actually, moving Israel to Canada would stop most terrorist problems.

so they raise the threat level to orange with Polka Dots.
And Papa Rummy and Bushy blame the three headed demon dog with sixteen circumcised pricks called "WOT"

Thanks for the post [COLOR=Lime]Corbain[/COLOR]

i am shocked and appalled

not quite shocked and awed like we...um, i mean, They...wanted?

They deserve it for enabling our fucking insanity.
What the fuck, England, you're supposed to TELL US when we're being psychotic assholes, not join us.

Well, I should say [i]particularly[/i] being psychotic assholes, since that's basically a consant state we're in.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias]They deserve it for enabling our fucking insanity.
What the fuck, England, you're supposed to TELL US when we're being psychotic assholes, not join us.

Well, I should say [i]particularly[/i] being psychotic assholes, since that's basically a consant state we're in.[/QUOTE]hey now, if you're not with us, you're against us...

We saved their monkey asses in WWII, they owe us honesty. Even if we don't listen.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias]We saved their monkey asses in WWII, they owe us honesty. Even if we don't listen.[/QUOTE]we didn't save anyone so they'll be honest to us, we kicked ass to prove that we were the kickassest country on the planet and so that no one would ever fuck with us again. so far, it's worked out just fine and i personally don't think we should change a thing.

Well sure, we were just defending ourselves [Phun Phact :Germany declared war on America, not the other way around as is commonly assumed. Use that the next time some red-faced yahoo tries to excuse our serial-killer foreign policy by saying "Well then why did we invade Germany?"]. But, nevertheless, we saved their asses in the process, like how the French helped us win our independence even though they only did it to get revenge on the British.
Bitches should've told us how ridiculous we were being like a real friend would do.

I feel outraged by both the bombings in London and by those of you who assume that terrorists that did this come from the middle east. Do none of you remember the Oaklahoma City Bombing? That was no Middle eastern terrorist. That was an American! An American was able to devastate our country as bad as any middle eastern.
Right now our energies need to go to the familes in London, not to blaming unknown people.