Lies, propaganda and fear mongering effective: USA re-elects Big Brother.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]once again, ignorance is bliss isn't it folks.....
[/QUOTE]

51% of you're country agrees.

[QUOTE=karbunkle]i'm trying to decide which is worse
close minded fundamentalist religious zealots
or
close minded sore loserish liberal democrats

much like election night, too close to call
you're probably a non smoker too i'm guessing?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, bunkie, it's nothing personal but I'm sending mungkay your way with a nuke. You might want to take a vacation in, say, Canada for the next 10,000 years or so while the smoldering crater cools off

[QUOTE=karbunkle]from the research i've done it seems sydney is the only logical place to go , with everywhere else being a vast desert wasteland
but then again my research only entailed watching Mad Max and crocodile dundee
speaking of which, did you folks lynch that yahoo serious character ?[/QUOTE]

mmmm dont know what happened to him

in sydney, there are no crocodiles or a wasteland
unless of course west of Ryde counts.

Hey, I got an idea! Maybe we could get Canada to invade and take over the US!

[QUOTE=meatthinker]Sorry, bunkie, it's nothing personal but I'm sending mungkay your way with a nuke. You might want to take a vacation in, say, Canada for the next 10,000 years or so while the smoldering crater cools off :D[/QUOTE]
bring it on ! i got the cockroach gene that makes me impervious to nuclear weapons !

[QUOTE=karbunkle]bring it on ! i got the cockroach gene that makes me impervious to nuclear weapons ![/QUOTE]
That's "nucular" to you, Mr Bush Lover!

[QUOTE=mungkay]51% of you're country agrees.[/QUOTE]

51% of my are country agrees huh?

hey, at least the board is active today!1

[QUOTE=meatthinker]That's "nucular" to you, Mr Bush Lover![/QUOTE]
i love him just for having that name

num num num i love the bush !

I just loved it when Bush's guy came out and announced that "The [B]Electrical[/B] College" had elected Bush. That's par for the course.

I hope everybody put their so-called tax-rebate check in escrow, because you're going to need it, figure you will be paying it back double at some point.

[QUOTE=meatthinker]I just loved it when Bush's guy came out and announced that "The [B]Electrical[/B] College" had elected Bush. That's par for the course.[/QUOTE]
as much as i hate to admit this, i watched SNL presidential debates on monday and when they had will farrell as W sum up his campaign in one word he used the word "Strategery" i was damn near crying it was so funny
and i hate will farrell and SNL so much to, i'm ashamed of myself

no matter which way you chaps and ladies voted
i still love you all

[QUOTE=ireLocus]51% of my are country agrees huh?[/QUOTE]

What you don't like my Bush impression?

Nuclar.

Terr-r.

[QUOTE=meatthinker]I hope everybody put their so-called tax-rebate check in escrow, because you're going to need it, figure you will be paying it back double at some point.[/QUOTE]
that's where i first almost lost my job. now ohio has a republican majority as well in their congress. i figure they'll be moving all the funds from the public servants (police, fire, teacher, library) out of that fund in about a year, my job will go with that about 6 months later. better start my job search early!

[QUOTE=Wesley Sonck]no matter which way you chaps and ladies voted
i still love you all[/QUOTE]
your shit ever get this viscious up there in the down under?

[QUOTE=mungkay]What you don't like my Bush impression?

Nuclar.

Terr-r.[/QUOTE]

nice try, but I'd say you just can't spell.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/karbunkle/grammarnazi.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=ireLocus]nice try, but I'd say you just can't spell.[/QUOTE]
You didn't capitalize your "n" in "nice" at the beginning of your sentence. That's another no-no in grammar. I bring this up only because it's the new trend to resort to grammar/spelling mistakes.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]nice try, but I'd say you just can't spell.[/QUOTE]

Here's a tip: When attacking people's writing abilities, make sure YOUR posts are perfect.

I'll wait here while you capitalize the "n" in "nice"...

[URL=http://www.axis-of-aevil.org/misc/2002_11/John-switch.mov.gz]If you don't like it, leave.[/URL]

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]You didn't capitalize your "n" in "nice" at the beginning of your sentence. That's another no-no in grammar. I bring this up only because it's the new trend to resort to grammar/spelling mistakes.[/QUOTE]

It comes and goes in cycles.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]your shit ever get this viscious up there in the down under?[/QUOTE]

well, its a two-party sham here too.

it sux, cos heaps of people voted the Greens right
which is good. because theyre not insane on war/power.
but what happened, all of these votes went there
and Labor lost them, so that old goat Howard went back in.

double-edged sword dudes.

anyway, check desperation to get here
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/11/03/naked.traveller.reut/index.html[/url]

i posted this in one of the 17 other 'Hate Bush and the election' threads and thought it was cool and interesting enough to be posted here as well

[url=http://www.knauer.org/mike/discordia/norton.php]Take Charge![/url]

[I]oh, I'm so sad. this forum defines my self image....[/I] wait, oh yeah... that was sarcasm.

I guess I should just let you all rant. you'll soon get over it and realize Bush isn't all that bad. I mean, in all honesty, most modern presidential candidates are so moderate on their respective stances, it's kinda stupid to get all worked up about it. oh, wait... I didn't. I was actually trying to point out that this countries freedoms allows you to bash the incumbent and his policy all you want.

...but just for the record, I voted for the guy that won. go ahead and mock that all you want, I'm sure you will.

I still win.

[QUOTE=ireLocus][I]oh, I'm so sad. this forum defines my self image....[/I] wait, oh yeah... that was sarcasm.

I guess I should just let you all rant. you'll soon get over it and realize Bush isn't all that bad. I mean, in all honesty, most modern presidential candidates are so moderate on their respective stances, it's kinda stupid to get all worked up about it. oh, wait... I didn't. I was actually trying to point out that this countries freedoms allows you to bash the incumbent and his policy all you want.

...but just for the record, I voted for the guy that won. go ahead and mock that all you want, I'm sure you will.

I still win.[/QUOTE]
2 words - Patriot act

he is that bad.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]2 words - Patriot act

he is that bad.[/QUOTE]

Careful now, you're actually on your way to having a conversation instead of just bitching about stuff. I'm just not sure if this thread is ready for that.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]I guess I should just let you all rant. you'll soon get over it and realize Bush isn't all that bad. I mean, in all honesty, most modern presidential candidates are so moderate on their respective stances, it's kinda stupid to get all worked up about it. oh, wait... I didn't. I was actually trying to point out that this countries freedoms allows you to bash the incumbent and his policy all you want.

...but just for the record, I voted for the guy that won. go ahead and mock that all you want, I'm sure you will.

I still win.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Everyone can bitch about how the simpletons screwed the U.S. all they like, but the sad truth is that they have no choice but to accept the idiots and the moron they elected.

America belongs to them now.

Well, there goes that notion. We've regressed to stereotypes once again. This is better than TV, seriously.

[QUOTE=mungkay]I agree. Everyone can bitch about how the simpletons screwed the U.S. all they like, but the sad truth is that they have no choice but to accept the idiots and the moron they elected.

America belongs to them now.[/QUOTE]
actually there is another choice, but everybody in America is either too scared to try it or too addicted to convenience to risk losing it.

oh yeah...

Canada sucks.

[QUOTE=izen]actually there is another choice, but everybody in America is either too scared to try it or too addicted to convenience to risk losing it.[/QUOTE]
i'll try anything once, what is it ?

[QUOTE=izen]actually there is another choice, but everybody in America is either too scared to try it or too addiction to convenience to risk losing it.[/QUOTE]

Very true.

i won't lie, i'll take your shit, just like i've taken shit for the past couple years, i supported bush. technically no one can bitch at me because i didnt vote, but only because i can't. but we (americans) must realize that this is the president of our country, we have to respect our president, and try, TRY to unify as one. this is what its all about. If Kerry one, yes i'd be upset, for a moment, and then realize what i just said, this is my president, and he deserves my respect, and i will, regaurless of my opinon of him, try and unify with the rest of everybody else and do my american duty blah blah blah. I'm sick of people bitching. shut the fuck up already. You had your 2 years to bitch, while they were running, to bitch. its over now. I mean just because i suport bush doesnt mean i support all of his policies and all he does. which alot of people DO NOT understand. I'm conservative when it comes to forign affairs and economy, but i'm moderate when it comes to social issues. yeah i'm just a stupid girl, shut upwhat do i know, right? but i wanted to put MY two cents in.

I've repeated these enough times today that it's either the abundant amounts of sugar I've been gorging myself on while dealing with my disappointment of the American public, or I'm really beginning to believe them. Republicans control the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. No divided government's going to save us now. I'm anticipating America screwed itself over with a machete yesterday, but if that's the case, I can't see a chance in hell of the Democrats not claiming the presidency in 2008. And at least then we might have a shot at a two-term president, which I couldn't see in Kerry. Premature, but it's what I'm holding onto.

But, if we all go to hell in a handbasket, at least it wasn't my state's fault.

I'm just worried this term'll open the flood gates. The man has nothing to lose; he's in there for four more years, four more to leave whatever mark he wants. He's not campaigning for reelection. I'm just praying it goes well.

[QUOTE=walkingcontradiction]but we (americans) must realize that this is the president of our country, we have to respect our president, and try, TRY to unify as one. this is what its all about. If Kerry one, yes i'd be upset, for a moment, and then realize what i just said, this is my president, and he deserves my respect, and i will, regaurless of my opinon of him, try and unify with the rest of everybody else and do my american duty blah blah blah.[/QUOTE]

Can someone please explain this concept of blind patriotism to me? Seriously, it's a foreign concept outside of the USA, and I can't understand this line of thinking.

Just for shits and giggles, I Googled "how nazi germany influenced it's people".

[URL=http://www.schoolshistory.org.uk/nazidictatorship.htm]Here's the first page that popped up.[/URL]

And here's the text, except with a few "modern" changes, written in bold:

Was [b]Bush's America[/b] a Totalitarian State?

A Totalitarian state is one in which the leader, in this case [b]George W. Bush[/b], has total control of the Government and the people. In practice the term is often is used to describe a political situation where a small group of people, or one organisation, has total authority over a nation.

In [b]Bush's America[/b]there were many characteristics of a Totalitarian state. The Government ran and censored the media. All forms of communication were liable to interference from above and could, and were, heavily censored. This removes freedom of speech, therefore enabling the government to influence popular opinion via propaganda and false news messages. [b]*see Fox News, ban on photos of dead soldiers returning home[/b]

Propaganda within [b]Bush's America[/b] was highly effective. The [b]Republican's[/b] realised the importance of the Radio, [b]tv[/b] and newspapers as a means to communicate with the masses. they were also highly aware of the force that these media's had and the level of influence that they had over the population. carefully planned broadcasts, rallies and films were used to convince the public that [b]Bush[/b] and the party had the overwhelming support of the masses.[b]**see: mission accomplished speech[/b] the news was engineered to show successes brought about by the parties policies and techniques such as subliminal messaging were used to 'brainwash' the masses into a state of belief and hysteria. In effect all news, rumour and opinion within the state was produced or influenced by the Government, a classic sign of a totalitarian leader exerting his control.

Clearly not everyone is susceptible to propaganda. You cannot force somebody to listen to the radio, read newspapers or watch film shows. To combat the potential threat to the utopia that was created by [b]Bush[/b] by these people alternative methods of ensuring control were necessary. The secret police was publicised, it's role was to find enemies of the state.[b]***see: Patriot Act[/b] These people would quite often be publicly humiliated or even tortured. Such actions making people think twice before questioning the state. Likewise the police and Gestapo had the authority to remove people from their homes and send them, often without trial, to [b]Camp X-Ray[/b]. Once again this acted as a deterrent but it also ensured that the more determined opponent of the state was removed from the public domain.

In essence [b]America[/b] under Hitler [b](I think I'll leave this one)[/b] was a very good example of what a totalitarian state is/ was. People did not question decisions, no matter how absurd they appeared to be. It was evident that working against the party, or even being perceived as a potential threat would lead to prison or worse (the Night of the Long Knives for example). Through careful coercion, manipulation and misleading information the authorities could, and did, do as they pleased as the people either knew nothing about actions being taken or were too afraid to speak out about them.

Not exact, but we'll see what the next 4 years bring...

im probably being dumb here but if money=election win cant they make a way so that like only 13 or so ppl can run, and any money anyone puts in to get exposure gets divided by 13 so they all have equal pools... to be one of the 13 you must get one of the 13 highest marks in a series of tests made by previous presidents. yay? nay? bush sucks and so do you?

I move that the next election be decided by a hand-cuffed knife fight in an alley. Any takers?

wow talk about blatantly twisting the facts to support your own point of view

hey how about for shits an giggles we substitute "Walt Disney and disneyland" and see if it doesnt sound just as menacing ?
heck, anyone can play this game
just take the place you work and substitute your bosses names and whatnot, leave a copy laying around in the bathroom and see how big a hit it is with the co workers !

bush does not have total control of the government
any news agency censoring themselves by not showing the dead bodies coming home from iraq is just as wrong as censoring themselves by not showing any footage of 9/11 bodies jumping out of those buildings
and as you said under a totalitarian government people are afraid to question the decisions of the leader,
we have almost 100 posts here doing just that, seriously are you that worried that your door is going to be kicked down tonight because of this ?

[QUOTE=mungkay]I move that the next election be decided by a hand-cuffed knife fight in an alley. Any takers?[/QUOTE]
my friend, you and i have finally come to an agreement on something !

[QUOTE=karbunkle]wow talk about blatantly twisting the facts to support your own point of view

hey how about for shits an giggles we substitute "Walt Disney and disneyland" and see if it doesnt sound just as menacing ?
heck, anyone can play this game
just take the place you work and substitute your bosses names and whatnot, leave a copy laying around in the bathroom and see how big a hit it is with the co workers !

Actually, for a true comparison for accuracy, I'd use other country's governments. Canada, for example, would not fit so well. China on the other hand, would fit even better.

True. However, which party holds the most power in the House, Senate and the Governing States?

The order came from the Prez disallowing news agencies to show dead soldiers coming home. 9/11 however is done by their own choice, and is considered good ethics.

[QUOTE=karbunkle]really when i first clicked into this thread at a quick glance i thought it was one started by Brother Supremo
imagine my surprise ![/QUOTE]

Dude, my name is like RIGHT UNDER the thread's title. Glance slower!

[QUOTE=mungkay]Actually, for a true comparison for accuracy, I'd use other country's governments. Canada, for example, would not fit so well. China on the other hand, would fit even better.

[b]my point was more aimed at that you could use any government/corporation that you may be at odds with and with the mad lib style of adding in the names it can be twisted to be seen how you want for good or bad[/b]

True. However, which party holds the most power in the House, Senate and the Governing States?

[b]the republican party, which was elected by the majority of the people, a far cry from totalitarianism[/b]

The order came from the Prez disallowing news agencies to show dead soldiers coming home. 9/11 however is done by their own choice, and is considered good ethics.

[b]both are in the wrong[/b]

Also true, but already one person has said that everyone should shut up and give the President their unwavering support. I doubt they're alone.

[b]this is why the majority rules, the one person is allowed to state whatever whacked out ideas they might have, but that voice isnt going to carry a lot of weight if no one else is going along with it[/b]
[/QUOTE]
im too damn tired to go cuting and pasting anymore tonight
anyway, my whole point from the beginning was basically that proclaiming anyone that voted contrary to yourself as moronic and stupid is tantamount to a religious whacko that pickets a marilyn manson concert because they don't like what he says either

arguing these things back and forth is great, i think it keeps both sides in check so they don't get to far out of whack
it's the acidic and mean spirited nature they've seemed to turn to lately is what i am against and if you don't like that then fuck you !

[QUOTE=mungkay]Dude, my name is like RIGHT UNDER the thread's title. Glance slower![/QUOTE]
it was the long thread title with "Brother" in it that threw me

anyways, i'm a lazy american so someone else look this up and report back to me the findings
just out of curiousity what was hitlers stance on gun control and the population being armed ?

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/karbunkle/strangeperson1.jpg[/img] this sig doesn't scream out "i voted for bush" too loudly does it ?

[QUOTE=karbunkle]The order came from the Prez disallowing news agencies to show dead soldiers coming home. 9/11 however is done by their own choice, and is considered good ethics.

both are in the wrong
[/QUOTE]

A quick google seach says I'm right on the first count. On the second, I was taught in college to show the bodies falling/hitting is bad form. I've yet to see a news program show the footage, but I'm sure some tastless network has.

I'm not going for Hitler=Bush as I am that the US is becoming part of the downward spiral.

[QUOTE=mungkay]A quick google seach says I'm right on the first count. On the second, I was taught in college to show the bodies falling/hitting is bad form. I've yet to see a news program show the footage, but I'm sure some tastless network has.[/QUOTE]
i meant both are wrong in not showing the footage, my bad