Julian Assange Arrested

We were talking about it in the "Purple Prose Stylings of Julian Assange" thread.

I'll say it: I hope they try him for espionage.

Ah just saw it. The whole politics/general discussion gap.

Is everyone aware of the implications of this? Assange may be out of the picture now. Wikileaks and the activists behind it aren't going anywhere, tho. The information war that is being waged is an important step in the human evolution beyond coercive monopolies/governments.

And then shoot him.

Oh, shoot him, too.

That just won't be as satisfyingly entertaining.

Can you imagine if we had the Rosenbergs nowadays? They'd probably have their own Bravo reality show up to the point of being executed!

That dude is never going to be heard from again.

Julian Assange! Coming soon to Dancin' With the Stars!

'That dude' is Bradley Manning.

Do any of you care that he now sits in a cage for exposing war crimes?

not particularly.

its about damn time, if you ask me. the united states government should not have to apologize for the actions of this ass hat, and i cant believe they have done so. in history, people have been assassinated for much less.

degeneracy

It's not surprising he's sitting in a cage, he's a member of the military and I'm sure he violated all kinds of directives and codes. What did he expect was going to happen?

is he gay too? I'd imagine they'd love it if he was. then they could go whole hog on that don't ask don't tell thing.

Down with America! Long live China!

Atomos, I don't know what it is you're talking about of referring to.

Bradley Manning leaked military correspondences documenting war crimes including but not limited cover-ups of civilian murders. Wikileaks published his releases, Julian Assange is the public face of Wikileaks, which is a network, not a one man operation.

Its not surprising that violent people acted violently when their legitimacy was threatened, but that sits well with you? Do you call that justice? Are you comfortable paying taxes that fund men to keep him in a cage at gunpoint?

He was ratted out as well, of course he didn't tell the bureaucrats what he did.

Down with China! Long live Kenya!

Down with Kenya! Long live Trinidad and Tobago!

giggan: we (being the government) have, or were planning to run damage control and apologize for the things which might have damaged our relations with other countries. like i said, its pathetic, and im pretty sure people have been (quietly) killed for a lot less.

hahahaha and he's a pedorast?? could it get any better??

I never said it sits well with me. I think he rightfully exposed some pretty horrendous shit that was going on, but I think it was incredibly naive of him to not expect to get caught and subsequently punished for it. The kind of acts the American military and government have been perpetrating on their overseas campaigns have certainly not been a secret for many years. If you don't like it, don't sign up for it. When you sign up to be in the military, you're agreeing to live and work by certain codes and he should have understood that. Perhaps he did, and he's happy to be a martyr for the cause, I don't know. But to decry what is happening to him while acting like he's an innocent victim is bending the truth.

I love how you see all these stories about how Sweden and finland and whatnot, how they are so much freer than America. Yet this guy is going to jail for not wearing a condom. LOL

YEAH I BROUGHT IN HITLER NOW THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS!

INTERNETS!

I care.

I'm glad.

As a spy and a traitor to his country, I'd pull the trigger myself, given the opportunity.

Burn in hell, scumbag.

Hold on — let's think about this. Let's think about this very very hard for a minute.

A precedent is set — the unnoticed killing of a traitor — and by virtue of this precedent alone it's no longer ethically problematic to dispose of someone quietly for reasons of governmental convenience?

Wait, really? Are we saying that the precedent sets the ethical norm?

I have no objections to the ethical content of your claim; or rather, I don't particularly care one way or the other — but it's a teeny weeny bit baffling to trace the development of your argument.

I've already punched my wife — why shouldn't I do it again?

I've already left my semen-encrusted sock in your soup — why shouldn't I do it again, only think time with the added present of a floating turd?

I'm stressing this, too: I really have no opinion to share on whether Julian Assange should be shot in the head or heralded as a prophet of freedom. I do, however, feel an instant suspicion toward an apparent breakdown in ethical reasoning. At least when it's this rushed.

This when collectivism totally changes the meaning of a communication. We are literally speaking a different language here.

You will never here me refer to a violent mob as 'we' or 'us', because I refuse to participate in any violent mobs. Government is by definition a monopoly on violence. I am no part of that organization.

I was born within the arbitrary lines on the map now designated the 'united states of america'. In the sense that I am 'american' I am from the hemisphere of the americas. That I am of american heritage (of recent anyways) does not make my identity the definitive 'american'. I consider such nationalistic labeling to differentiate people as dangerous as racism.

Broken down:

1. Disclude me from your we. I am a human before I am an 'american'. When one human kills another, I don't ask what country they are from and consider whether I'll be embarassed by the nationality of the perpetrator.

I have absolutely no understanding of how it can make sense in one's mind that some one can be guilty of 'embarrassing the collective'. A man hands in evidence of murder, and you say he's embarrassing you as a teammate of the murderer? Seriously, consider what you are comfortable saying. It lacks compassion for anyone not on your american team.

How does that at all justify the current injustice?

All I'm hearing is don't rock the boat, we're afraid of the truth and afraid of change.

The allegation is continuing sex with a broken condom. Misinformation is not worth my time please stop spreading it.

they ought to throw you in with Julian.

you bastard.

but seriously, I'm all for transparency, but only if it's for a positive purpose. When whistle-blowing compromises security or is malicious without a point....meh.

Remember when Barry Manilow was a scoundrel and a bounder?

Remember when life was fresh and new?

Remember when it didn't matter who you loved...

... as long as Barry loved you?

"Molest" is just a nicer way of saying "rape."

ok, so hes an asshole and a rapist. since, you know that sounds a lot better.

http://jezebel.com/5708456/some-thoughts-on-sex-by-surprise

This article actually discusses some pretty good points re: the allegations against Assange and what exactly we're supposed to make of them.

If you haven't been following this for as long as its been around, you'd realize the 'sex by surprise' charge he's facing in Sweden is classified in the same legal chapter/whatever as 'sexual assault' thus the media has free reign to throw around the headline, 'Rape Charge' because 'sex by surprise takes to long to explain in a thirty second nightly news piece or soundbyte.

When you look beyond the headlines of this story...and actually read the articles...you see what's going on.

There are real videos of real war crimes and cover ups in Iraq. This is very serious criminal evidence that was released by someone on the inside with a conscience. It absolutely belongs in the court of public opinion, not to be the thrown away truth deemed unfit for serf eyes by the monopolistic elites of the courts.

Information is going to become free whether government people want it to or not. This is not a bad thing, it means free education cirriculums with the latest knowledge from the field. In the information age marketplace, government is losing ground to independent media resources, and they're fighting back. If you identify with the state, join the police and just start shooting your neighbors. Otherwise, tap into what's really going on, people freeing themselves from the lies that kept the powers that be in charge.

This is also a small bit of information that makes quite a difference in light of things:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

I linked this one in the forum we don't speak of.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/hackers-website-bank-froze-wikileaks-...

Hackers retaliated against a bank in Switzerland that froze Julian's legal defense funds by shutting down their website. The 'group' known as anonymous has been operating since Octobutter. The vid in the link above is pretty adventurous.

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And since when is it appropriate to condemn someone as guilty of crimes only because they are charged with the crime? This person has not been found guilty, and its assholically and historically backwards to assume guilt without caring enough to study the case.

Raspberry truffle sauce.

I have another seriose question for this comment.

So of course 'disclosing classified documents' or whatever is going to be illegal...don't you take issue with the fact that someone is breaking the law by classifying information they just want to cover up with the 'classified' label and throw it out?

How outrageously bureaucratically dangerous do you want the society that you live in to be? You don't want to see an intervention by whoever can to save this person from execution by those he exposed?

The government people and their corporate buddies and major media are on one side of this, people who care more for the truth than licking the boots on the other. If you expose widescale organized criminal activity, it should not be expected that you'll be hurt unless our conditions are that of slavery. Slaves cannot change their status, slaves are ruled over by a hierarchy.

This isn't supposed supposed to be a hierarchy, this is supposed to be a society where those who fuck up and kill people have to face up.

One of the slaves exposed it, and now that master is lining him up on the whipping post, a bunch of jackasses in the back of the farm laugh to themselves about how stupid it is to defy master. Those are the personalities who resist positive change, content to be a slave.

I wouldn't deny we're a slave to governments, but we don't have to be the moment enough people realize this fact and just break alliances with the state.

So in conclusion, fuck tolerance of the military truth killing machine.

among his 'serious' leaks: that america lobbied, and succeeded in getting the spanish military to buy GE manufactured helicopters instead of royce ones. you're totally right, i mean thats worth committing espionage over.

You're gonna look really silly when you see how this develops, just saying. You obviously haven't read the analyses of the contents yet.

I think that soldier's an idiot for doing that right in the middle of the war he was exposing. Otherwise i'm behind this Assange guy. It's such a crazy story and Giggan's right, this whole thing will have far-reaching effects; it really is history in the making.

all i wanna know is, is this gonna fuck up me being able to steal shit from pirate bay?

If a free P2P style internet became widespread (and it so easily could) then copyrights would become almost obsolete. Information sharing would be totally anonymous.

Pirate Bay type things would only get better.

Breaking news: Anonymous shuts down Master Card's site:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40559236/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/?G...

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The allegation is continuing sex with a broken condom. [/quote]

What exactly is being alleged here? He wore out a condom on not one, but two, Swedish chicks in the same month.
Let me be the first to say it:
Julian Assange, my hero.

Since no one laughed the first time.

Wait...so you're arguing that this war will actually end?

What evidence do you have that such a thing will ever take place? My money says that this war, or some extension of it, will continue at least as long as all of us are alive...unless immortality is developed...

Roman soldiers after the fall of Rome?

Was that so seriose? No, but this is.

Taxpayer Funded Child Sex Slave Parties.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

DynCorp, one of the most corrupt corporations in the world funded child sex slave parties called "Bacha Bazi", which were apparently not all that uncommon back in the day, and were one of the things that the Taliban put a decisive stop to.

How was this funded? A major corporation that works solely off of 'consulting' (ie getting any way they can) contracts in foreign countries for US businesses. It's how governments economically rape the world's economy (plus money printing). DynCorp gets 95% of its $2 billion revenue from taxpayer-funded contracts.

The businesses behind the war are being exposed by wikileaks, yet there are still resisters of the information age marketplace cleansing.