Jon Stewart's plead for sanity on Crossfire...
Tucker and Paul look like they had been slapped in the face when Jon Stewart came on Crossfire and started to criticize them for being 'Partsian Hacks' and began to plead for some legitmate civil discourse. Then Tucker started to criticize him for throwing up softballs to John Kerry and then Jon commented that his show is a comedy show on a comedy network not a debate show on a News network.
Tucker and Paul obviously were not expecting Jon to come on their show and criticize them but it was the best moment on Crossfire, ever. For someone like Jon Stewart to go on the line and risk not ever getting on a talk show ever again and use his fame for trying to get these type of debate shows to be honest with the people and stop being so partisan. Then Tucker was smug like he always is and Stewart called him a DICK.
This was fucking great, these two douchebags getting there bullshit thrown in their faces like the clownshoes they are and they just have to take it because they planned on him being there for the full 30 minutes. I wish all guests on these shows were like Jon and I know he gets so much praise but this was great and I had a lot of respect before but the fact that he didn't deal with the bs on these shows and just plead for some sanity. He will no doubt never be coming back to Crossfire and hopefully more people will take notice.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
I just saw this on Drudge Report and even though I could probably just look it up, does CNN.com do replays of their shows? I would've loved to have seen this but all I can find is the transcript. Thank God for Jon Stewart. Although I will say that lately when he's been interviewing people on his show he's been asking them why the media isn't more like it should be. I really think this is a cause he's started to take up and I hope he continues to do this, if he's ever allowed on another show.
[QUOTE=dim71886]I just saw this on Drudge Report and even though I could probably just look it up, does CNN.com do replays of their shows?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=For Serious]Wish I could've seen it. I looked up the CNN schedule and there's no replay of Crossfire.[/QUOTE]
Hmm...
John Stewart is the man. Bravo I say! Bravo!
Whe I saw this topic I thought some bastard was bashing Jon Stewart. Glad to see this isn't the case. I bet those fags at CNN thought that they'd have him on and he'd make some jokes and act like Billy Crystal and shit. That must have totally blindsided them! Did he really call Tucker a Dick? To his face?
hahah god, i can't believe how awesome jon stewart has become in the last year, it's insane. he's REALLY profited from the mistakes of this administration, it's totally given him the time and opportunity to write incredible material, become a reliable and intelligent political pundit, and he has in turn become something of a media activist in his own right.
THATS SO +3 STILETTO DUDE
[QUOTE=Crossfire Transcripts]STEWART: You know, the interesting thing I have is, you have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.
CARLSON: You need to get a job at a journalism school, I think.
STEWART: You need to go to one.[/QUOTE]
Oh, snap! Haha.
Read the whole thing here:
[url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/15/cf.01.html[/url]
God. I respect you so much now, Jon.
This is the film of it.
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It's amazing that this has happened. Beautiful.
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fucking awesome.
I downloaded it and have been watching it constantly. I hope this is a sign of things to come.
good luck with that ever happening. i just finished watching it, and i'm still kind of shocked. i loved the audience reactions the most, i think.
I can completely imagine Jon at a bar with his friends, a TV in the corner playing Crossfire, and Jon joking that it's a bunch of bullshit partisan politics, and one of his friends calling him out, telling him that's if he's such a bigshot, why doesn't he quit talking shit and say it on the show.
It's a shame that only a couple of newspapers and emags have even picked it up. And when they do they don't even address the issues that he brings up. It's like they are trying to prove his point.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
I'd love to see him get invited onto something like Hannity & Colmes now, or even The Oh, Really? Factor.
[QUOTE=alex cassun]I'd love to see him get invited onto something like Hannity & Colmes now, or even The Oh, Really? Factor.[/QUOTE]
he did go on the Oh really factor, same thing happened, or that's what I read..Stewart invited O'Reily to appear on the Daily show
whoa, do we have a link for this?
[QUOTE=alex cassun]whoa, do we have a link for this?[/QUOTE]
[URL=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132946,00.html]here ya go[/URL]
then read this [URL=http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/28/tv.stewart.oreilly.ap/]article[/URL] afterwards.
dammit. im disappointed in the Oh Really? segment.
Goddamn, he really kicked the shit out of them. Thank Kurosawa someone finally did.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
He threw it down again tonight, after Carville called him a Pompous Ass, and Novak said something but he is no position to bad mouth anyone ever for what he did to Valerie Plaine.
The guantlet has been throw down, I wonder how Tucker/Novak/Carville/Begalia will respond? Maybe this could be the next Hip Hop feud we've all been waiting for?
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." Albert Einstein
Lnx Plz?
Stewart was funny on Crossfire, but I was sadden that his point was getting across.
Or not. Maybe. I'm not sure anymore, since none of the major news sources mentioned this, I'm kind of lost.
yeah I meant to say wasn't getting across
[QUOTE=Popcultjunkie]he did go on the Oh really factor, same thing happened, or that's what I read..Stewart invited O'Reily to appear on the Daily show[/QUOTE]
nice going, Oh Really?.
That's the verdict issued by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey, conducted by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, which singled out "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" as demonstrating the most substantial margin in election knowledge.* The survey polled 19,013 adults between July 15 and Sept.*19, finding that on a six-item political knowledge test, late-night comedy viewers consistently scored higher than respondents who claimed they didn't watch any of the talk shows during the week prior to the survey.
Those survey subjects averaged 2.62 correct answers, while Letterman viewers answered 2.91 items correctly, Leno viewers answered 2.95 items correctly, and viewers of "The Daily Show" answered 3.59 items correctly.
The results translated to a 16 percent gap between "Daily Show" viewers and people who avoided late-night comedy shows.
The campaign knowledge test covered such topics as which candidate favors allowing workers to invest some of their Social Security contributions in the stock market, the income range at which John Kerry would eliminate the Bush Administration's tax cut, and which candidate is a former prosecutor.
For Stewart, who snared two Emmy Awards on Sept. 19, the Annenberg survey's Sept. 21 summary marked special vindication. "People who watch 'The Daily Show' are more interested in the presidential campaign, more educated, younger, and more liberal than the average American or than Leno or Letterman viewers," said Dannagal Goldthwaite Young, a senior analyst at the Annenberg Public Policy Center who conducted the research.* "However, these factors do not explain the difference in levels of campaign knowledge between people who watch 'The Daily Show' and people who do not.*In fact, 'Daily Show' viewers have higher campaign knowledge than national news viewers and newspaper readers -- even when education, party identification, following politics, watching cable news, receiving campaign information online, age, and gender are taken into consideration."
While noting that the survey doesn't find Stewart's topical show is itself responsible for the higher knowledge of its viewers, Young acknowledges that the show assumes its audience is well informed.* "Because 'The Daily Show' does deal with campaign events and issues, viewers might certainly pick up information while watching. It is probably a bit of both."
Young also asserted that the survey's findings challenge media concerns about late-night comedy's role in shaping political views. "In recent years," he noted, "traditional journalists have been voicing increasing concern that if young people are receiving political information from late-night comedy shows like 'The Daily Show,' they may not be adequately informed on the issues of the day. This data suggests that these fears may be unsubstantiated."
The study's content analysis reflects the stronger political emphasis of Stewart's show, noting that during the survey period, 33 percent of the jokes made during his show's "Headlines" segment mentioned at least one policy issue, compared to 24 percent of Leno's monologue jokes and 21 percent of Letterman's.*Yet Stewart was also cited as targeting fewer of his jokes directly at the candidates.*Of 83 political jokes made, only 9 specifically targeted Bush, the same number of Stewart punch-lines aimed at rival Kerry.
That’s ace!
Damn strange how it’s only the occasional comedian (i.e. someone not really taken seriously) that has the ball-bag to go out and say this kind of stuff.
Lenny Bruce and Bill Hicks would be proud.
And whatever happened to Dennis Miller? I could picture him (a few years ago) doing something like this, but last I heard he was giving Bush a bunch of reach arounds and then headed off to…broadcast (american) football (!?), which is a pretty Cosby move if there ever was one…
“I’m not going to be your monkey”…nice!
j(ay)
[QUOTE=jay]And whatever happened to Dennis Miller? I could picture him (a few years ago) doing something like this, but last I heard he was giving Bush a bunch of reach arounds and then headed off to…broadcast (american) football (!?), which is a pretty Cosby move if there ever was one…[/QUOTE]
He's back doing the reach arounds on CNN or MSNBC or something like that.
[QUOTE=alex cassun]I can completely imagine Jon at a bar with his friends, a TV in the corner playing Crossfire, and Jon joking that it's a bunch of bullshit partisan politics, and one of his friends calling him out, telling him that's if he's such a bigshot, why doesn't he quit talking shit and say it on the show.[/QUOTE]
Sounds potentially close, Alex:
"Let's face it, I was dehydrated," he said on Monday's Daily Show, "I had always in the past mentioned to friends and people I meet on the street that I think the show blows. I thought it was only the right thing to do to go say it to them personally on their program.
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Jesus Christ, he really fucked this guy up...
[url]http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050105/ap_en_tv/tv_carlson_crossfire[/url]
[QUOTE][SIZE=5]CNN Lets 'Crossfire' Host Carlson Go[/SIZE]
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
NEW YORK - CNN said goodbye to pundit Tucker Carlson on Wednesday, and with him likely the "Crossfire" program that has been the granddaddy of high-volume political debate shows on cable television.
CNN will probably fold "Crossfire" into its other programming, perhaps as an occasional segment on the daytime show "Inside Politics," said Jonathan Klein, who was appointed in late November as chief executive of CNN's U.S. network.
Klein on Wednesday told Carlson, one of the four "Crossfire" hosts, that CNN would not be offering him a new contract. Carlson has been talking with MSNBC about a prime-time opening replacing Deborah Norville.
"I would host any kind of show for (MSNBC chief executive) Rick Kaplan," said Carlson, whose Friday night PBS show "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered" resumes this week.
He said he enjoyed every minute working for CNN, but that he had told executives last April that he wanted to do something different from "Crossfire."
The bow-tied wearing conservative pundit got into a public tussle last fall with comic Jon Stewart, who has been critical of cable political programs that devolve into shoutfests.
[U][B]"I guess I come down more firmly in the Jon Stewart camp,"[/B][/U] Klein told The Associated Press.
He said all of the cable networks, including CNN, have overdosed on programming devoted to arguing over issues. Klein said he wants more substantive programming that is still compelling.
"I doubt that when the president sits down with his advisers they scream at him to bring him up to date on all of the issues," he said. "I don't know why we don't treat the audience with the same respect."
"Crossfire" began in 1982 and was once a mainstay of CNN's prime time. Pat Buchanan (news - web sites) from the right and Michael Kinsley from the left were two of its most prominent hosts.
But as Fox News Channel perfected the format with popular hosts Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, "Crossfire" lost favor among CNN executives and was moved to the afternoons in 2002. It averages 447,000 viewers each weekday, down 21 percent from the previous season, according to Nielsen Media Research. Carlson rotates as host with conservative columnist Bob Novak. Paul Begala and James Carville are the left-leaning ringleaders.
Klein said he hoped Novak, Begala and Carville would continue with meaningful commentator roles at CNN.
Carlson had one failed bid at prime time on CNN with "The Spin Room," which was canceled after less than six months in 2001.
He subbed last week for newscaster Aaron Brown as Klein wanted to see him in a different role before making a decision about his future. Klein said his views on wanting to change the tone of political coverage were separate from the decision to keep Carlson.
"His career aspirations and our programming needs just don't synch up," Klein said. "He wants to host his own nighttime show and we don't see that in the cards here. Out of respect for him and his talent, we thought it would be best to let him explore opportunities elsewhere."
An MSNBC spokesman had no comment on CNN's decision.
"We think Tucker is a great journalist and we're exploring our options for a new 9 p.m. show," said MSNBC's Jeremy Gaines.[/QUOTE]
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
[QUOTE=DrGonzoHST] It was the best moment on Crossfire, ever.[/QUOTE]
I suppose one would have to watch Crossfire to know this 
And Tucker is a Dick. I bet everyone else was like, "Thank God for Jon Stewart! I've wanted to tell him that for years!!"
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No, second best. Frank Zappa's appearance dominates Jon's.
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(it's about the 21st selection listed...)
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I just watched the whole crossfire with Zappa. That was certainly a worthwhile program.
and RIP Will Eisner as well.
the crossfire ep. is also on BitTorrent.
Wish I could've seen it. I looked up the CNN schedule and there's no replay of Crossfire.
I stopped watching that show for the same reason Jon criticized them. I'm sure he said everything we've all been shouting at the TV screen for so long.