Islamic Fundamentalism

Remember that no documentaries are objective. They only show what supports the director or whoever pays views.
Just like anything Michael Moore does.

so what you are saying is that islamic fundamentalism isn't a problem because documentaries are biased, and if i feel a certain way after watching it, it is only because the director wanted me to?

the only reason christian fundementalists didnt make as much noise as todays fundamentalists muslim, is because they didnt have bombs 1500 years ago.All fundamentalists of any sort, are all bat-shit crazy.

The problem is not that these religions are bad. The problem relies on giving a certain authority the power to decide the fate of those who follow certain religions. That is why is better to concentrate on the fact of what they do to others instead of how fanatic they are within their religion.

I still think tolerance and freedom of religion shall still be in place, and whenever they brake other people's laws and kill others they shall be brought down,over and over again. Their religion should live, their murdering actions shall not.

If all of them shall die, let it be decided by their murdering actions and not by a authority who would use the same power to eradicate other religions at will.

but that's the whole point... i'm not talking about islam as a whole, i'm talking about the fundamentalists. i think what scared me the most about this was that previously, i had just kind of associated islamic fundamentalists with christian fundamentalists, at least in numbers. but islamic fundamentalists are a major percent of muslims. like, imagine baptists were crazy, violent religious people who felt that the way for them to get into heaven was by dying while fighting a holy war against people who didn't believe in god.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeilFarted [/i]
[B]but that's the whole point... i'm not talking about islam as a whole, i'm talking about the fundamentalists. i think what scared me the most about this was that previously, i had just kind of associated islamic fundamentalists with christian fundamentalists, at least in numbers. but islamic fundamentalists are a major percent of muslims. like, imagine baptists were crazy, violent religious people who felt that the way for them to get into heaven was by dying while fighting a holy war against people who didn't believe in god. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hear me out. These people are stuck in a past century. They are waiting for the right pressure to finally pop. Unless most of the non-fundamentalist countries back a form of action, there is a chance a conflict with all of them will take forever, fucking up all hopes of a better economy or peace. I really don't give a fuck about their fanatism as long as it is kept at bay. Unless there is no choice, is best is to keep them at bay until their ways are dead or more countries unite on this.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Squidboy [/i]
[B]I think Buddhists have the right idea. It's not so much a religion, but a philosophy, and a damn good one at that. A regime of world-wide Enforced Buddhism would sort out all this nasty Fundamentalism. The key part of that word is 'mental'... [/B][/QUOTE]

Good idea dude! That way if someone does something we don't agree with we can burn ourselves alive in protest.
A regime of world-wide enforced Buddhism? I wish you would. I've always wanted to be a freedom fighter. Killing a bunch of Buddhist oppressors would make my day.

And NEIL,
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" I mean, it really opened this whole other thought process that makes me think that freedom of religion is a bad idea."
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Are you a fundamentalist? I mean fundamentalists believe freedom of religion is BAD idea too. They think there should be one religion, their religion. So what the hell is that suppose to mean? Why should care if a bunch of crazy folks are running around killing themselves? You are worried about them trying to kill you, right? What are you going to do about it? Outlaw their religion? Yeah, good idea. That way you'll have the bloodiest fucking holy war ever. You can't destroy a religion. You can't assassinate their leaders. You can only make martyrs out of em. Religion is about control. Faith is the willingness to be controlled. You can kill as many Fundamentalists as you want. For everyone you kill five more will be made.

Have you ever met a true Christian fundamentalist, Neil? I don't think you have. If you had you'd know they aren't any different. Christian fundamentalists just don't have a fucking cause anymore. All they can do is handle snakes and drink cyanide Kool-aid. All they can do is dance around popping each other on the head with the palm of their hand. Destroy fundamentalists? I don't fucking think so. Make more? Sure.

The people who made that documentary wanted you to feel exactly the way you did. Any documentary that makes you feel that way should be labeled as propaganda.

You can learn from the Nazis, that it's the leaders who need to be killed. You can't do that though. Killing a religious\political leader isn't going break the spell. It's only going to make it stronger. That's my opinion on it. If fundamentalists stay the hell out of my way they can kill themselves all they want.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by syntax [/i]
[B]
And NEIL,
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" I mean, it really opened this whole other thought process that makes me think that freedom of religion is a bad idea."
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Are you a fundamentalist? I mean fundamentalists believe freedom of religion is BAD idea too. They think there should be one religion, their religion. So what the hell is that suppose to mean? Why should care if a bunch of crazy folks are running around killing themselves? You are worried about them trying to kill you, right? What are you going to do about it? Outlaw their religion? Yeah, good idea. That way you'll have the bloodiest fucking holy war ever. You can't destroy a religion. You can't assassinate their leaders. You can only make martyrs out of em. Religion is about control. Faith is the willingness to be controlled. You can kill as many Fundamentalists as you want. For everyone you kill five more will be made.

Have you ever met a true Christian fundamentalist, Neil? I don't think you have. If you had you'd know they aren't any different. Christian fundamentalists just don't have a fucking cause anymore. All they can do is handle snakes and drink cyanide Kool-aid. All they can do is dance around popping each other on the head with the palm of their hand. Destroy fundamentalists? I don't fucking think so. Make more? Sure.

The people who made that documentary wanted you to feel exactly the way you did. Any documentary that makes you feel that way should be labeled as propaganda.

You can learn from the Nazis, that it's the leaders who need to be killed. You can't do that though. Killing a religious\political leader isn't going break the spell. It's only going to make it stronger. That's my opinion on it. If fundamentalists stay the hell out of my way they can kill themselves all they want. [/B][/QUOTE] one: i should have made myself more clear. what i mean is that the idea of absolute freedom of religion is a bad idea. i mean, i don't even think we have that. what if someone wanted to practice human sacrifice under religious pretenses? would we allow that? and where the hell do you live where these fundamentalist whackos are not trying to kill you? Australia? Canada? These fundamentalists are not about killing themselves. they are about killing themselves after/while killing a lot of infidels. Oh, and unless you are a fundamentalist, that means you.
I have met christian fundamentalists. I KNOW people who are fundamentalists. I was raised in Kentucky, it's hard to avoid out there. And trust me, they aren't just snake handlers. The difference between christian fundamentalists and islamic fundamentalists is a very simple idea. they both think that they are the only true religion, but only the islamic crazies want to kill everyone who doesn't believe the same way.

You come across as someone who thinks a lot of yourself, and present your opinions in such a strong manner, it's a shame that your words are hollow and empty. EVERY DOCUMENTARY MAKES YOU FEEL SOMETHING. you thick twat. You have no idea what the makers of the documentary wanted to make me feel. To prance around like you know everything about anything makes me pity you just a little bit.
Fundamentalists aren't just going to go away. You can't stick your head in the sand and hope they go away. these people are intent on killing everyone who doesn't believe the way they do. plain and simple. They have cities upon cities where all the schools teach hate and murder and oppression of women. The children are being brought up to think this way. Killing a "leader" or outlawing the religion is probably not be the answer, i was never advocating that. you made plenty of rebuttals for arguments i never made, nor wanted to make.

If christian fundamentalists don't kill today, it's because they know their historic opportunity window is not open for now. But put them in crusade times, or inquisition, and they won't be hard to convince. The islamists sense that muslim countries have shaky regimes and they have a chance to seize power.
As for the self-inflicted tortures, I believe it's a phenomenon of trance you can find in India among the Hindu or in the Philippine Islands among catholics, and these 2 peoples don't spread violence everywhere in the world.

neil youre a fucking idiot.

its fine for western people to get worked up over 'Islamic Fundamentalism' -- where its really easy to forget that in the western world, we have 'Christian Fundamentalism' which is just as much of a negative thing.

so go and stick your head in the sand, like every other fucking stupid westerner.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by franc tireur [/i]
[B]If christian fundamentalists don't kill today, it's because they know their historic opportunity window is not open for now. But put them in crusade times, or inquisition, and they won't be hard to convince. The islamists sense that muslim countries have shaky regimes and they have a chance to seize power.
As for the self-inflicted tortures, I believe it's a phenomenon of trance you can find in India among the Hindu or in the Philippine Islands among catholics, and these 2 peoples don't spread violence everywhere in the world. [/B][/QUOTE]
1)yes, christian fundamentalists used to be war mongering, violent idiots. you didn't even mention the salem which hunts. the point is, christianity and western culture evolved/matured enough where it wasn't tolerated any more. not so in the arabic world. We, as a society do not tolerate religious fanaticism that leads to violence. Look at Waco. they were just gathering weapons. they didn't even give the threat of violence, and we still came crashing down on their heads.
2)christian puranicals as well used to beat and whip themselves as well. The huge difference here - and i'm not sure about the current catholics that you reference - is that this was not only self-inflicted. THEY WERE CUTTING THE HEADS OF BABIES. THIS IS BAT-SHIT INSANE. my point is not that self-mutilation leads to violence - my point is that these people are BAT-SHIT INSANE.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wesley Sonck [/i]
[B]neil youre a fucking idiot.

its fine for western people to get worked up over 'Islamic Fundamentalism' -- where its really easy to forget that in the western world, we have 'Christian Fundamentalism' which is just as much of a negative thing.

so go and stick your head in the sand, like every other fucking stupid westerner. [/B][/QUOTE] you silly little twat.
take the time to pull your head out of that kangaroo's ass and READ my posts, instead of just the subject line. Yes, christian fundamentalism is bad and negative for society as a whole.
THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE ARE NOT ARMIES OF CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS SUICIDE BOMBING CAFES AND KILLING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN, YOU STUPID IGNORANT FUCKWAD.
now go make another pointless fucking thread about some imaginary club or post a nonsensical reply in one of cam's 30 threads.

no, there are instead armies of christian fundamentalists fucking over peoples lives in far less obvious ways.

STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE FUCKING SAND WHY DONT YOU.

im sure if you were Islamic, you could see how you might approve of their IF actions. i dont agree with it personally, but attempt to think outside that sun-stroked mongoloid brain of yours- and consider why these people might feel disenfranchised or feel anger towards the western world.

just try.
and maybe your growth wont be permanently stunted.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wesley Sonck [/i]
[B]no, there are instead armies of christian fundamentalists fucking over peoples lives in far less obvious ways.

STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE FUCKING SAND WHY DONT YOU.

im sure if you were Islamic, you could see how you might approve of their IF actions. i dont agree with it personally, but attempt to think outside that sun-stroked mongoloid brain of yours- and consider why these people might feel disenfranchised or feel anger towards the western world.

just try.
and maybe your growth wont be permanently stunted. [/B][/QUOTE] less obvious? maybe. are you talking about northern ireland? that has become less about religion and more about territorialism and tradition. is it right? of course not. they are just as bad. the difference is that the IRA is not bombing France. It's a territorial issue. Islamic fundamentalism is not a regional issue. and you stupid spotted dick, they don't JUST HAVE ANGER TOWARDS THE WESTERN WORLD. they have anger towards the entire non-islamic world. Right now, they are focusing their jihad towards jews and anyone who supports them. And don't give me this sympathetic crap about how bad the US is and how we deserve everything we get blah blah blah blah. that shit is tired. the fact of the matter is, THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE. RELIGION HAS MADE THEM INSANE.

oh sweet jesus. you ARE as dumb as you look.

id just like to let you know, that im putting you on my 'IGNORE POSTS' list
you making an ass of yourself isnt funny anymore

so if you need to test your masculinity and challenge me
youll need to do so in less public ways....

youve joined a very esteemed list now.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeilFarted [/i]
[B]less obvious? maybe. are you talking about northern ireland? [/B][/QUOTE]

and no, im talking about America as the great example here.

in N.Ireland its between is Catholics vs Protestants specifically.
im talking about a general abuse of Christianity.
not secterian violence.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Squidboy [/i]
[B]Ah, I see beating on the newbie is standard practice here. [/B][/QUOTE]

not true.
as long as you dont act like a total idiot, youre safe.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wesley Sonck [/i]
[B]oh sweet jesus. you ARE as dumb as you look.

id just like to let you know, that im putting you on my 'IGNORE POSTS' list
you making an ass of yourself isnt funny anymore

so if you need to test your masculinity and challenge me
youll need to do so in less public ways....

youve joined a very esteemed list now. [/B][/QUOTE] good job, you scrotal lump. the best way to avoid looking like an ignorant fuck is to try and save face and tell someone they're on your "ignore" list. way to contribute to discussion, you waste of semen.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Wesley Sonck [/i]
[B]and no, im talking about America as the great example here.

in N.Ireland its between is Catholics vs Protestants specifically.
im talking about a general abuse of Christianity.
not secterian violence. [/B][/QUOTE] Wait, let me get this straight.... you're trying to say that America's army is a fundamentalist christian army who's main goal is to eliminate any opposing religious group in holy war, no matter what the cost? DO YOU READ YOUR POSTS BEFORE YOU HIT SUBMIT MESSAGE?
wow. i mean, how does one try to speak to someone like you? you might as well argue that the earth is hollow and there are subterranean creatures living beneath us. YOU ARE BAT-SHIT INSANE.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by NeilFarted [/i]
[B]you silly little twat.
take the time to pull your head out of that kangaroo's ass and READ my posts, instead of just the subject line. Yes, christian fundamentalism is bad and negative for society as a whole.
THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE IS THAT THERE ARE NOT ARMIES OF CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS SUICIDE BOMBING CAFES AND KILLING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN, YOU STUPID IGNORANT FUCKWAD.
now go make another pointless fucking thread about some imaginary club or post a nonsensical reply in one of cam's 30 threads. [/B][/QUOTE]

did you ride the short-bus?

see. if other people were as smart as me Neil, then you could have plenty of lonely threads

and for the record, i hope the next bomb that goes off, kills your family and destroys youre computer. hows that?

you're such a sweet talker.

Don't blame people who believe in their religions.

Blame people who use religion as a tool for their own agendas, like OBL or like the Talibans did a few years ago.

[QUOTE=NeilFarted][i]I don't know if this belongs in GD, or politics, or movies, or whatever, so if you want to move it, feel free.[/i] [/QUOTE]

Rightie-o. To Poli/CA we go.

My h.o.: Fundamentalists of all stripe are dangerous.

and iraq is...?

[QUOTE=NeilFarted][i]I don't know if this belongs in GD, or politics, or movies, or whatever, so if you want to move it, feel free.[/i]

If you have cinemax, you need to watch this documentary:
[b]In the Name of God: Scenes from the Extreme.[/b] [url]http://www.cinemax.com/reel/nameofgod/index.html[/url]
[code]2/23 2:35 AM THRILLER MAX - EAST IN THE NAME OF GOD: SCENES FROM THE EXTREME
2/29 5:20 AM THRILLER MAX - EAST IN THE NAME OF GOD: SCENES FROM THE EXTREME
3/3 5:30 AM MORE MAX - EAST IN THE NAME OF GOD: SCENES FROM THE EXTREME
[/code]
It really opened my eyes to how seriously crazy these people are. I mean, it really opened this whole other thought process that makes me think that freedom of religion is a bad idea. We all agree that Nazis are evil, and that they had to be destroyed, i think maybe the next step is these fundamentalists. i mean, even christian fundamentalists aren't this destructive... this scene where the hesballa or whatever the fuck they are called... they're having this celebration of whatever, of martyrdom or something, where they are going around, hitting each other on the top of their heads with razors and swords and shit, and they're going around, marching in the streets, dancing, all the while BLEEDING FROM THE FUCKING HEAD, while some collapse from blood loss and shit, and then there's the fucking children who have no fucking idea what is going on, only that people are CUTTING THEIR FUCKING HEADS OPEN, and little baby boys - no women are taking part - are fucking bawling with blood running down their faces... it was just sick. These people have a disease of the mind, man.[/QUOTE]
every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]Rightie-o. To Poli/CA we go.

My h.o.: Fundamentalists of all stripe are dangerous.[/QUOTE]

Thing is, I consider my beliefs to be fundamental, in the sense that they are conservative and somewhat rigid. However, I do not consider my actions to be fundamental, as that word these days has taken on the ugly connotation of shove it in your face activism and outright ignorance in the name of God. So I know that I, personally, am very sensitive to how people throw around the word "fundamentalist".

[QUOTE=insomnomaniac]and iraq is...?[/QUOTE]
...a country? what are you trying to say?

[QUOTE=disx]every action has an equal and opposite reaction.[/QUOTE]
so what is the action? and what is the re-action?

[QUOTE=jane s.]Thing is, I consider my beliefs to be fundamental, in the sense that they are conservative and somewhat rigid. However, I do not consider my actions to be fundamental, as that word these days has taken on the ugly connotation of shove it in your face activism and outright ignorance in the name of God. So I know that I, personally, am very sensitive to how people throw around the word "fundamentalist".[/QUOTE]
your actions won't be dangerous until you have children.

[QUOTE=NeilFarted]...a country? what are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

The post I quoted was saying that THERE ARE NOT ARMIES OF CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS SUICIDE BOMBING CAFES AND KILLING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN and I was saying--with a rhetorical question that obviously didn't get my point across--that the current American campaign in Iraq is precisely that.

[QUOTE=jane s.]Thing is, I consider my beliefs to be fundamental, in the sense that they are conservative and somewhat rigid. However, I do not consider my actions to be fundamental, as that word these days has taken on the ugly connotation of shove it in your face activism and outright ignorance in the name of God. So I know that I, personally, am very sensitive to how people throw around the word "fundamentalist".[/QUOTE]

If you don't find yourself stonning someone you are not that fundamental yet.

[QUOTE=insomnomaniac]The post I quoted was saying that THERE ARE NOT ARMIES OF CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS SUICIDE BOMBING CAFES AND KILLING INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN and I was saying--with a rhetorical question that obviously didn't get my point across--that the current American campaign in Iraq is precisely that.[/QUOTE]
oh, come on... i mean, i don't agree with our actions in iraq, but there is no way you can seriously compare our actions in iraq with islamic suicide bombers.

well, it was more the armies of christian fundamentalists (or at least run by a christian fundamentalist--the born-again GWB) killing innocent women and children part.

and you're right. i can't compare our actions in iraq to those of suicide bombers...we've killed a lot more people.

ok, but the big difference? we can get rid of the baby killer with an election. can you say the same about the suicide bombers?

[QUOTE=NeilFarted]ok, but the big difference? we can get rid of the baby killer with an election. can you say the same about the suicide bombers?[/QUOTE]
yea, they get rid of themselves. *stating the obvious*
we can easily compare our actions with those of the suicide bombers. only we feel more righteous about our cause, because it's ours, so it's right. america can be just as extreme as the bombers, and has proven that on many occasions. history IS written by the winners, and is inherently biased, so far america has been winning a lot, and that is the only justification for any of the actions america has taken. there is no "right" or "wrong" in this, there are, however, major biases being purported as being "right" and "wrong".
america is the best example of the backwards thinking that "might makes right". think about it, america is one of the youngest nations, yet america throws it's weight around the world like the british did in india. how can we really claim to tell other countries that come from civilizations tens of thousands of years older than our own, that what they're doing is "wrong". we if stopped fucking around in other people's countries all of our terrorism problems would be solved. they're not attacting us because we're evil, they're attacking us because we push our ideals on them, and try to force them to conform to our relatively inexperianced culture. i like america, i like living here. i'd be pissed as hell, and try some pretty extreme things myself, if some country came in and told us that we're heathens, that we're substandard, that we need to forget our own culture and adopt theirs, or pay the penalty of war. those suicide bombers are only our concern now that we've focoused their attention onto us because of our own actions against them.

jesus christ... the people on the far left are just as bat-shit insane as teh people on the right.

yes, you're right.... the individual suicide bombers gets rid of themselves. jesus christ, i feel like i'm in kindergarden. do you not understand the difference between a religion who raises generation after generation of soldiers for a "holy war" and a government which changes, from republican to democrat, from conservative to liberal, from idiotic to less idiotic? yes, by our actions, we may create casualties of war, collateral damage. but suicide bombers ONLY create collateral damage. Do you not see the difference between TARGETING innocents and killing innocents? or is it so black and white to you that if anyone kills an innocent, they are lumped into the same category?

[QUOTE=NeilFarted]jesus christ... the people on the far left are just as bat-shit insane as teh people on the right.

yes, you're right.... the individual suicide bombers gets rid of themselves. jesus christ, i feel like i'm in kindergarden. do you not understand the difference between a religion who raises generation after generation of soldiers for a "holy war" and a government which changes, from republican to democrat, from conservative to liberal, from idiotic to less idiotic? yes, by our actions, we may create casualties of war, collateral damage. but suicide bombers ONLY create collateral damage. Do you not see the difference between TARGETING innocents and killing innocents? or is it so black and white to you that if anyone kills an innocent, they are lumped into the same category?[/QUOTE]
you're proving my point. it's not just religion that raises their young to take on wars. governments do it too, why do you think we have a draft? at least they do it out of choice, america forces people into the draft in times of war.
we ONLY create collateral? the whole war in iraq is a war against innocents. we didn't need to be there there were no WMDs, and there was no necessity of "freeing" the iraqi peoples. we forced them to defend their country, so we can hardly blame them for fighting. true, suicide bombers target public places, but hey, it's not like we've ever dropped an atomic bomb on a city, wiping out masses of innocent civilians. or is that just colleteral damage to you as well? hundreds of thousands of innocents for what? so we can prove that we're the big shits in this world? america targets the innocents as well, america is just the authors of the modern history of the world so far, america is warping history to fit it's agenda, and so far, you're a sucker to that propaganda.

America hasn't had a draft since I was a small child.

[QUOTE=Tuffy the Dump Truck]America hasn't had a draft since I was a small child.[/QUOTE]
sorry "selective service". every male, 18-25 year old.

i was wondering what "doors" the SSS was talking about, and here's what i found:

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]sorry "selective service". every male, 18-25 year old. [/QUOTE]Right. That's registration for the draft [i]should there ever again be one[/i]. Which, with our poverty levels continually on the rise, is unlikely to ever happen.

'Sides, no one's forcing you to sign that card and mail it in. I never did. Several nations have a draft, while many more have mandatory military service for all. Our own little Lupus did her stint in the Greek Army...

But this is all really besides the point; I was just making a semantic correction.

Carry on with the...

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]you're proving my point. it's not just religion that raises their young to take on wars. governments do it too, why do you think we have a draft? at least they do it out of choice, america forces people into the draft in times of war.
we ONLY create collateral? the whole war in iraq is a war against innocents. we didn't need to be there there were no WMDs, and there was no necessity of "freeing" the iraqi peoples. we forced them to defend their country, so we can hardly blame them for fighting. true, suicide bombers target public places, but hey, it's not like we've ever dropped an atomic bomb on a city, wiping out masses of innocent civilians. or is that just colleteral damage to you as well? hundreds of thousands of innocents for what? so we can prove that we're the big shits in this world? america targets the innocents as well, america is just the authors of the modern history of the world so far, america is warping history to fit it's agenda, and so far, you're a sucker to that propaganda.[/QUOTE]
so you are saying that sadaam and his baathist party soldiers are innocent civilians? man, you are seriously BAT SHIT INSANE.

thanks tuffy, correction acknowledged.
the point of what i was saying is whereas america doesn't use religion as it's method of propaganda as many groups might, that is not to say that this propaganda doesn't exist. it does exist and so far it has only put off our enemies. just as they are blind to the fact that what they're doing might be "wrong", america is blind to the fact that what we might be doing is "wrong". you're view on "wrong" just depends on which side of this sphere you live.

[QUOTE=NeilFarted]so you are saying that sadaam and his baathist party soldiers are innocent civilians? man, you are seriously BAT SHIT INSANE.[/QUOTE]
i'm saying they're not the only ones we killed.
and i'm saying they were just defending their country. would you expect less out of any other country? should we waltz guns blazing into canada under the false premise that they have WMDs, and then expect them not to fight back? would they be considered to be the "bad people" then?

ok, yes, war is bad, we kill people for wrong reasons, i get all that, and i agree with it mostly. but the difference is, SOLDIERS, who sign up to fight/protect their country, are different from CIVILIANS. Suicide bombers attack CIVILIANS. NOT SOLDIERS. do you not see the inherent problem with this?

Right, like Celine Dion is *not* a WMD???

[QUOTE=NeilFarted]ok, yes, war is bad, we kill people for wrong reasons, i get all that, and i agree with it mostly. but the difference is, SOLDIERS, who sign up to fight/protect their country, are different from CIVILIANS. Suicide bombers attack CIVILIANS. NOT SOLDIERS. do you not see the inherent problem with this?[/QUOTE]
yes, i can tell the difference there. at the same time, that does not make them any worse than your average civilian killing civilian, like we have here in the states. we choose to use guns and knives to commit murder, they choose small explosives. we choose love, drugs and money as reasons, they choose "god, allah, buddah" as reasons.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]yes, i can tell the difference there. at the same time, that does not make them any worse than your average civilian killing civilian, like we have here in the states. we choose to use guns and knives to commit murder, they choose small explosives. we choose love, drugs and money as reasons, they choose "god, allah, buddah" as reasons.[/QUOTE]
ah, but love, guns, and money are real.