Georgia Student Uses Gun to Save His Life, Others
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19365762/detail.html
A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.
Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.
“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.
Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.
“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.
Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.
That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.
The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.
“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.
A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.
“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.
The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.
Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.
“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.
Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.
Responses here from any of the people I always get into gun freedom vs. coercion debates with...?
Also, lotta love to save the day dude. Viva liberty, viva responsibility.
To students who are responsible: Carry illegally on campus if need be. Fuck tyrants, whether they be crazy illegal criminals with guns, or crazy legal criminals with guns (la policia). Your life and those around you are far more important than someone else's petty paranoia.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
For the record, i'm for gun rights and conceal carry and all that jazz. But isn't carrying a gun around because you think someone may jump out at you at any moment kinda the definition of petty paranoia? At least, the beginnings of it.
zactly.
Yes, it is certainly paranoia, if every time you carry you actually believe that someone will fo sho attack you.
I don't wear a seatbelt because I expect an accident.
Not carrying when one can is the faith that one is completely safe and nothing will happen. Expect the best, prepare for the worst (or semi worst. I don't prepare for nuclear war).
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
I started preparing for a SHTF scenario. Stocking up on canned foods, ammo (starting reloading my own brass), etc..
I did the math and I reload 9mm ammo for $3.00 per box of 50. Locally, a box of 50 rounds costs $13.00 here, plus all stores have a "one box per day" rule. Also, I can load 1000 rounds in an hour.
I did the math and I reload 9mm ammo for $3.00 per box of 50. Locally, a box of 50 rounds costs $13.00 here, plus all stores have a "one box per day" rule. Also, I can load 1000 rounds in an hour.
The Fug is that about? I havent checked ammo prices since last summer, but I used to get 100rnd boxes of 9mm for $12. Our Dear Leader had a major impact on the ammo/gun run. I may get into reloading, since I heard Comrade Obahm's trying to ban that as well. Civil Dis!
The sound of that 'one box' rule pisses me off exponentially. That is so blatantly aimed at pissing off gun owners, obviously a mass murderer can deal with waiting a day to stock up heavily. Is that some bullshit state law, or bullshit store policy?
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Store policy - it's been going on for about 3 months now.
For the record, every Marxist I know is a supporter of gun rights. Y'know, just saying.
Still not as cool as the dude college kid who killed the intruder with a samuari sword.
I heard a 911 call the other day on the radio, and it was a woman who's house was being broken into, and the dispatcher told her she had the right to defend herself, and the woman kept saying that she was gonna kill the dude, but she sounded like she didn't want to. She was giving a play by play to the dispatcher, and when the guy broke the window in to get into the house, she shot him, and he ended up dying. It was a strange, but very surreal call to hear, but she had proof that she had been given the go ahead to defend her home by the dispatcher, so she wouldn't be suspected of murder.
I heard that audio too and love that lady.
Child, please. You guys act like the burglars magically received these guns. There are far more victims of gun violence than there are those who are saved by gun violence. If it weren't for the "gun rights" nutbags these thugs wouldn't have had guns in the first place. The guy wasn't able to protect his friends because he owned a gun, he was able to do so because the burglars were stupid (twist tie their hands before you rape their girlfriends, easy solution).
In 2006 10,177 people were killed by guns. 194 were killed by guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what stories you cherry pick about guns saving lives, the numbers don't like. Countries which have lax rules on handguns have an absurdly high amount of gun violence. Remember, that's 10,177 people KILLED by guns, not injured. The argument you're making is that guns save more than they kill. Do you really believe that guns save more than 10k people a year or do you just know you're full of shit?
If everyone was armed then people would be more quick to pull the trigger and less likely to use a gun as a threat. Most armed burglars don't want to shoot anyone, they just want stuff. If they know those who they intend on robbing are armed, they'd kill them rather than threaten them. I understand, theoretically, where you get the "guns make us safer" argument. But reality just doesn't match up with the theoretical argument.
"[B]eing good is a fearful occupation; men strain at it and sometimes break in two." - Ray Bradbury
In 2006 10,177 people were killed by guns. 194 were killed by guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what stories you cherry pick about guns saving lives, the numbers don't like. Countries which have lax rules on handguns have an absurdly high amount of gun violence. Remember, that's 10,177 people KILLED by guns, not injured. The argument you're making is that guns save more than they kill. Do you really believe that guns save more than 10k people a year or do you just know you're full of shit?
If everyone was armed then people would be more quick to pull the trigger and less likely to use a gun as a threat. Most armed burglars don't want to shoot anyone, they just want stuff. If they know those who they intend on robbing are armed, they'd kill them rather than threaten them. I understand, theoretically, where you get the "guns make us safer" argument. But reality just doesn't match up with the theoretical argument.
So you don't like guns...
What do you propose doing about these guns that you don't like?
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
In 2006 10,177 people were killed by guns. 194 were killed by guns in Germany. It doesn't matter what stories you cherry pick about guns saving lives, the numbers don't like. Countries which have lax rules on handguns have an absurdly high amount of gun violence. Remember, that's 10,177 people KILLED by guns, not injured. The argument you're making is that guns save more than they kill. Do you really believe that guns save more than 10k people a year or do you just know you're full of shit?
If everyone was armed then people would be more quick to pull the trigger and less likely to use a gun as a threat. Most armed burglars don't want to shoot anyone, they just want stuff. If they know those who they intend on robbing are armed, they'd kill them rather than threaten them. I understand, theoretically, where you get the "guns make us safer" argument. But reality just doesn't match up with the theoretical argument.
But, but, if everyone was armed then we'd have a safer society. You know, just like the Old West.
LALALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
But, but, if everyone was armed then we'd have a safer society. You know, just like the Old West.
LALALALALA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
Mr. Mandias, I'm glad you brought that up! The Agorists at PorcFest turned me on to this essay about how the Wild West Wasn't Wild and actually worked well governmentlessly before the gang covers its protection territory. Here's the .pdf (It's not that long, its a journal article).
http://mises.org/journals/jls/3_1/3_1_2.pdf
Still on the table:
What do you propose doing about these guns that you don't like?
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
Yeah I'll get right on that.
He just slapped you in the face with his cock, you should really have something better to come back with other than asking him what he would do about it.
It's not easy having a good time.
Even smiling makes my face ache.
1. Ban handguns in urban areas
2. Implement a more strict penalties for possessing unregistered handguns
3. And a more strict method of accounting for every handgun which is manufactured
4. Ban all semi-automatic weapons, all assault rifles
5. Tax the shit out of handguns and handgun ammo
"[B]eing good is a fearful occupation; men strain at it and sometimes break in two." - Ray Bradbury
Whenever anyone advocates gun control I point them to this story here,
It starts off in a playground, there's kids swinging
laughing, dogs barking, butterflies just flapping there
little wings. Then you hear a rumbling..
and over the horizon comes a black cloud
it's made of cancer and puss, it starts sweeping
over the play ground and everyone starts screaming
and clawing their eyes and pulling at their hair
and saying, "Help what do we do?"
You know what happens next?
Out steps me wielding the biggest
fucking shotgun you've ever seen
in your life, and do you know
what I do?
I blow every fucking thing away, and I am getting God's work
done! When it's all over and the dust has settled the
Whole world gathers below me and they say, "Thank you Ronnie,
thank you for helping and being a great man. Doing this for us."
You know what I say, "No need to thank me I am just a guy with a gun!"
2. Implement a more strict penalties for possessing unregistered handguns
3. And a more strict method of accounting for every handgun which is manufactured
4. Ban all semi-automatic weapons, all assault rifles
5. Tax the shit out of handguns and handgun ammo
You could implement every single one of these things today and you'd see slightly more than zero reduction in gun crime. All of these things regulate/control law-abiding citizens.
I'm not a gun nut at all, but in these arguments, people seem to forget that crimes are committed by...well, criminals, who are not the most honest people in the world.
2. Implement a more strict penalties for possessing unregistered handguns
3. And a more strict method of accounting for every handgun which is manufactured
4. Ban all semi-automatic weapons, all assault rifles
5. Tax the shit out of handguns and handgun ammo
You could implement every single one of these things today and you'd see slightly more than zero reduction in gun crime. All of these things regulate/control law-abiding citizens.
I'm not a gun nut at all, but in these arguments, people seem to forget that crimes are committed by...well, criminals, who are not the most honest people in the world.
You say there'd be a zero reduction in gun crime, and if you're talking short-term I agree. But there are no short term solutions to these things. Right now illegal (non-registered, stolen, or "hot" in any way) firearms are worth less than legal ones, which is one of the main reasons criminals have access to them. For a criminal a gun is an investment, an investment which their crimes must pay for. If my list of proposals were implemented I'm pretty sure black market arms would skyrocket in price, which would make them inaccessible to many would-be criminals. Of course that wouldn't eliminate gun violence, just as gun violence isn't eliminated in any country. But a reduction of gun violence is an attainable goal.
Btw, #1, 2, & 4 don't affect law abiding citizens (though they do change the definition of law-abiding citizen). #3 is no different than tight control of harmful chemicals (such as prescription pills) and #5 affects law abiding citizens, but we do the same thing to cigarettes and booze b/c their lobbyists aren't as powerful as the NRA. The power to tax is the power to destroy, so #5 is the most important.
"[B]eing good is a fearful occupation; men strain at it and sometimes break in two." - Ray Bradbury
cigarette lobbyists aren't as powerful as the NRA, although cigarettes kill, you can't shoot someone in the face with them! lol
You say there'd be a zero reduction in gun crime, and if you're talking short-term I agree. But there are no short term solutions to these things. Right now illegal (non-registered, stolen, or "hot" in any way) firearms are worth less than legal ones, which is one of the main reasons criminals have access to them. For a criminal a gun is an investment, an investment which their crimes must pay for. If my list of proposals were implemented I'm pretty sure black market arms would skyrocket in price, which would make them inaccessible to many would-be criminals. Of course that wouldn't eliminate gun violence, just as gun violence isn't eliminated in any country. But a reduction of gun violence is an attainable goal.
Btw, #1, 2, & 4 don't affect law abiding citizens (though they do change the definition of law-abiding citizen). #3 is no different than tight control of harmful chemicals (such as prescription pills) and #5 affects law abiding citizens, but we do the same thing to cigarettes and booze b/c their lobbyists aren't as powerful as the NRA. The power to tax is the power to destroy, so #5 is the most important.
Let me try it this way and see if it makes more sense to you, long term:
2. Implement a more strict penalties for possessing illegal drugs near schools
3. And a more strict method of accounting for all medicinal drugs in the country
4. Ban all hard narcotics
5. Tax the shit out of drugs
Woo! Since the early 80s (pretty long term at this point), this strategy has brought absoulte Victory in the war on drugs...oh shit, it hasn't worked at all, has it?
Not to sound Giggan-esque here, but how does taxing someone who buys a gun legally help anything but the government's coffers? And if you ban guns in urban areas, how do people defend themselves and their homes?
Do you know it's possible to MAKE your own guns? This happens in prison all the time, zip guns, antenna guns, etc.
Do you know it's possible to MAKE your own guns? This happens in prison all the time, zip guns, antenna guns, etc.
Teach me
My joy is that of James Brown's, smiling down upon funky president.
"They sold you hippies grunge, hip hop, now liberty activism."
More good gun rights news...
Texas is trying to pass legislation preventing Federal agencies from enforcing Obama's international gun laws.
The legislation asserts state rights in firearms, that any made in Texas and sold to Texans are not subject to Federal firearms laws. Would mean that as a Texan, if you buy firearms made in Texas the manufacturer doesn't have to register the gun with the fed, etc. You'd be able to buy a gun just like a free citizen without Federal approval and tracking.
I think Montana is doing something similar.
it is House Bill 1863 here in Texas, though.