Fear and Loathing......

no, genius, I said many of the "they" who voted for Bush did it for other reasons. that's all.

not every Bush supporters hate gays, it's just easier for you to paint them all with that brush. it takes much less thought than realizing many people just didn't want Kerry in office. jst like many voted for Kerry because they just didn't want Bush in office.

That's all I'm saying, so stop putting words in my mouth, good sir.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]no, genius, I said many of the "they" who voted for Bush did it for other reasons. that's all.

not every Bush supporters hate gays, it's just easier for you to paint them all with that brush. it takes much less thought than realizing many people just didn't want Kerry in office. jst like many voted for Kerry because they just didn't want Bush in office.

That's all I'm saying, so stop putting words in my mouth, good sir.[/QUOTE]
ok then "einstein"....

what i'm saying is (wait for it, wait for it...) [b]it is a big issue, and those who voted for bush should or did know that in voting for bush they were also giving a hefty sign of approval for the ban.[/b] i said nothing baout hating gays (mr don't-put-words-in-my-mouth), nor did i say they didn't have other reasons. i said, it's a key issue. it should have or was recognized on that point.

better now?

good.
Now then, I voted for Bush because I didn't want Kerry in office. I think gays should be allowed to have legal unions. I am a Christian. I am not unique, or even rare, in my stance. I know many others like me. ok?

[QUOTE=ireLocus]good.
Now then, I voted for Bush because I didn't want Kerry in office. I think gays should be allowed to have legal unions. I am a Christian. I am not unique, or even rare, in my stance. I know many others like me. ok?[/QUOTE]
good for you. that doesn't change what i've said, or the fact that in voting for bush you gave some approval to his crusade of creating a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

ok, I concede. I just hate to see those "they" generalizations used so readily. stereotypes are for the ignorant. it's the death of discourse.

indeterminate? note first i said "the voting majority". this would consititute "they". "they" are not indeterminate. "they" are the individuals who voted for bush. and the number one recorded issue for re-electing bush was the "morality" issue.

(as a side point ireLocus, i've read someof your stuff and its quite good)

good point.

oh, and thank you.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]ok, I concede. I just hate to see those "they" generalizations used so readily. stereotypes are for the ignorant. it's the death of discourse.[/QUOTE]

And so is arguing semantics instead of the issue.

It's not semantics. It is a stereotype. Just like when I say Canada sucks, except I'm kidding when I say that. If I really thought I could apply a broad statement to and entire group of people without being able to prove it, I'd be dumb.

"they" is a broadstroke term that allows many people to avoid tackling a real issue by just saying "well if [i]they[/i] hadn't..." or "[i]They're[/i] just doing that to..." and then just insert your bling generalization.

I could just as easily imply all kinds of things about you because you live in Canada. I could say you, like all other Canadians, eat doughnuts and drink beer and say "eh" all the time. Like so: "Canadians, man "they" just eat doughnuts and....." you get the idea. I;m trying to be real on this issue actually.

I supprt the idea of gays having a legal union. It would appear, however, since I compose a part of the "they" that voted for Bush, you can't accept that. Rest easy, though, thanks to the electoral college, my state went for Kerry anyways. Looks like I'm not the "they" after all.

Irelocus, Why did you vote for Bush?

I would like to know, I didn't want Bush in office but it didn't make me vote for Kerry, I voted for someone I believed in and also helped grow a thrid party. Did you actually vote for Bush because you hate Kerry?