Birth Control pill = abortion? If you say so, Bush!

yeah, I agree, this is a bunch of crap. just remember not all Christians feel this way. I'm not sure what the catholic church believes, but most Christians I know have no problem at all with birth control pills. You better believe my wife'll be using it.

This is one of the reasons I contemplated not voting for Bush.

yeah, me too. This is pretty ridiculous.

I didn't know BFE was in Texas. sweet.

are we surprised? nah. we're one step closer to getting rid of the freedom of religion provision...

heil bush?

on the plus side, soon the Bush administration will decide that every sperm and egg is a potential human life, and it is basically murder if you don't try to fertilize every single egg. So in the near future, it will be the law that every man HAS to have sex with every ovulating woman. If a man and a woman fail, they will both be executed (since Bush loves the death penalty so much) for murder.

on the bright side, at least there's some sex in the deal. That'll definitely help out some people I know.

NO NOT ME!!! I SAID PEOPLE I KNOW!!!

jeeze....

[QUOTE=Trail Fodder]on the plus side, soon the Bush administration will decide that every sperm and egg is a potential human life, and it is basically murder if you don't try to fertilize every single egg. So in the near future, it will be the law that every man HAS to have sex with every ovulating woman. If a man and a woman fail, they will both be executed (since Bush loves the death penalty so much) for murder.[/QUOTE]
those "QuiverFull" people freak the shit out of me.

Is it just me or is America all of a sudden turned conservative?

The day after the election, I watched NBC and CNN's coverage of the election and one political analysis said that yes it does seem like America is more conservative. Because the day before, when a large number of media outlets (led by blogs) reported that Kerry was doing better based on exit polls, that they expected a democratic win because there is an increase in voter turnout. Meaning if people want to see change, they will vote. So what exactly happened? (My apologies to tryp if this is getting slightly off topic).

Is America getting more conservative? Esp with this ridiculous move? Keep in mind that the number one thing Bush did when he got elected to office was to remove funding from family planning...even though it was on the anniversary of Roe vs Wade.

Tsk tsk...

No, American isn't getting more conservative. Republicans just do a better job at brainwashing naive voters based on moronic social issues. Over 55 million people voted against Bush and nearly 45% of people eligible to vote didn't. The dems have to do a better job at getting people out and actually stand for something.

It is worth pointing out, however, that, contrary to what the title of this thread suggests, no legislature has actually been presented as far as I know making birth control a form of abortion. This thread does make some assumptions. Yes the stance taken by Dr. Hager is extreme, but I really doubt Bush will attempt to outlaw birth control or somehting that ridiculous.

I do disagree with Dr Hager's ideas, but we are jumping to conclusions just a bit. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's pretty unlikely.

^America is conservative becuase its being brainwashed by the powers to be through religous propaganda so the public will focus less on real issues. And if Bush and his new quack doctor think birth control pills or any kind of birth control method is a form of abortion in accordence with the beliefs of the almighty creator then America is reaching a super version of conservativism, so conservative that its actually regressive. Quite a few third world countries have such high populations as a direct result of religous beliefs that any form of birth control is preventing life and therefore is as bad as abortion -> hence the regressive aspect of this whole concept presented by Bush.

[QUOTE=ireLocus]It is worth pointing out, however, that, contrary to what the title of this thread suggests, no legislature has actually been presented as far as I know making birth control a form of abortion. This thread does make some assumptions. Yes the stance taken by Dr. Hager is extreme, but I really doubt Bush will attempt to outlaw birth control or somehting that ridiculous.

I do disagree with Dr Hager's ideas, but we are jumping to conclusions just a bit. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's pretty unlikely.[/QUOTE]

It would be a bad political move by Bush if such extremes measures are taken, most people wanna fuck without gettin pregnant let alone an STD

no worries rita...

I'm not exactly sure what's happened either. everyone's talking about the incredible amount of liberalism in america, yet it's not reflected by the government, nor by how people vote. the more i think on this, the more it bothers me, from a personal point of view, and a logical point of view. it seems bush is holding his head in the clouds, and not understanding the consequences of his actions. by removing birth-control as a viable option, he's not affecting teen pregnancy at all (as conservatives would have you believe) but he is affecting the quality of life for the children that will be born to parents (even teen parents) who probably don't want them. christ, i'm almost too put-off by this to organize my thoughts on it right now.

this is just a severe violation of intelligence on bush's part. he's trying to legislate (his) religious preferences on the american public. dumbass is too nice of a word for him.

well, the pill doesn't protect against STD's, but point taken nonetheless. I think Bush just wants to ensure he has a hand picked comittee that will be predictable, and in that light, this was a good move for him.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]

this is just a severe violation of intelligence on bush's part. he's trying to legislate (his) religious preferences on the american public. dumbass is too nice of a word for him.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but Bush now has "political capital" thanks to his "widespread victory" to do whatever he wants. His win is a "mandate" for his agenda. If you would just let him be a "uniter and not a divider", things will be just fine.

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]this is just a severe violation of intelligence on bush's part. he's trying to legislate (his) religious preferences on the american public. dumbass is too nice of a word for him.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid it's only going to get worse.

[QUOTE=Trail Fodder]Yes, but Bush now has "political capital" thanks to his "widespread victory" to do whatever he wants. His win is a "mandate" for his agenda. If you would just let him be a "uniter and not a divider", things will be just fine.[/QUOTE]
the only things he's trying to unite is his religious sect with the american government.

I'm glad he's such a good christian. Otherwise we might be killing a bunch of foreign civilians.......

Hey this story is a fake [url]http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hager.htm[/url].

I was pissed off after reading it and then I searched for the source and it's not real.

[QUOTE=bassplr19]Hey this story is a fake [url]http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/h/hager.htm[/url].

I was pissed off after reading it and then I searched for the source and it's not real.[/QUOTE]
hager is still on the 11 member panel, which is bad enough as it is. the story is partially true, and the part that's true is scary enough...

[QUOTE=trypdwyre]hager is still on the 11 member panel, which is bad enough as it is. the story is partially true, and the part that's true is scary enough...[/QUOTE]

In that case, you are right. Jesus freaks should not be allowed to practice science. Of course, did you know that the Big Bang Theory came from a monk?

I wouldn't be surprised seeing as how this is the same administration that removed a fact sheet on how condoms cut down on pregnancy and STDs from the Department of Health's website becuase it didn't back up their claims that abstinence is the only things that cut down on them. All that repressed sexual freedom has to be affecting their minds.

[QUOTE=dim71886]I wouldn't be surprised seeing as how this is the same administration that removed a fact sheet on how condoms cut down on pregnancy and STDs from the Department of Health's website becuase it didn't back up their claims that abstinence is the only things that cut down on them. All that repressed sexual freedom has to be affecting their minds.[/QUOTE]

This is all truly sad, because it all relates back to sex.

The biggest sexual pervs in the world reside and work in Washington D.C. They are politicians. They hide behind a wall of hypocrisy.

If they would all just quit hiding...

this just goes to show that liberal and conservative alike are susceptible to believing rumor and falsehood.

So many blame the Bush administration for lying, mainly because they swallowed the lies themselves, but when a story comes up against Bush, who cares if it's a lie?

Truth be told, both sides lie. We just choose which lies we want to believe, which half truths make us feel better about what we've already decided is right. Any story making Bush look worse seems to be wholeheartedly accepted a fact at the drop of a hat around here. Problem is, most people on this site aren't politicians and aren't operating under a full understanding of all the facts from both points of view in order to make an informed decision. Nope, most just want to trash the incumbent. Just blame him for everything bad in the last four years, and anything good is chocked up as a fluke or as latent effects of the last administration.

birth control is not about to be equated with abortion and illegalized.

Bush may be a Christian, but he's not Catholic.

snopes.com backs up this story

Who else saw it coming?

[QUOTE=vandamage]The biggest sexual pervs in the world reside and work in Washington D.C. They are politicians. They hide behind a wall of hypocrisy. [/QUOTE]

Lol....this reminds me of someone I know. He's in his 20's. Very rich, VERY conservative - he thinks all Democrats should be shot, only votes straight Rep. ticket. Left a movie once because they used a bad word.

Recently found twenty porn tapes in his trash can (nearly brand new) he was throwing away. Watches them and then gets rid of them so nobody will know. Sad.

[QUOTE=PsychoKeety]Lol....this reminds me of someone I know. He's in his 20's. Very rich, VERY conservative - he thinks all Democrats should be shot, only votes straight Rep. ticket. Left a movie once because they used a bad word.

Recently found twenty porn tapes in his trash can (nearly brand new) he was throwing away. Watches them and then gets rid of them so nobody will know. Sad.[/QUOTE]

sounds like the perfect victim of some psychological harrassment. Tell him "jesus knows what you are doing." Find some passage that can relate to pornography and leave the passage numbers (13:11, whatever) in his mailbox.

[QUOTE=Trail Fodder]sounds like the perfect victim of some psychological harrassment. Tell him "jesus knows what you are doing." Find some passage that can relate to pornography and leave the passage numbers (13:11, whatever) in his mailbox.[/QUOTE]

Great idea.

[QUOTE=PsychoKeety]Lol....this reminds me of someone I know. He's in his 20's. Very rich, VERY conservative - he thinks all Democrats should be shot, only votes straight Rep. ticket. Left a movie once because they used a bad word.

Recently found twenty porn tapes in his trash can (nearly brand new) he was throwing away. Watches them and then gets rid of them so nobody will know. Sad.[/QUOTE]

It's the guilt that makes his personality so in need of an adjustment. The man needs to embrace his perceived devianace, realize he is in that long long line of sinners, and become more comfortable with his sexuality.

Smooth sailing from that point.

It's just so sad, he puts everything like that down like you would go to hell if you were in the same room with it. It's so sad that he thinks he has to keep up this front for people.

Holy Crap! A wealthy christian that loves naked people having sex but would never admit it?! Now I've heard everything. The next thing you know there'll be gay Christians who go to Church and expound their beliefs against homosexuality, and then go home and have gay sex with their gay partners.

I'll never understand why people are part of a religion that directly conflicts with their personal beliefs. Why don't you just pick a religion that fits instead of trying to fit into a religion (or political party) and then wrap it's dogmas around you like warm coat you wear infront of your friends, and then burn in the privacy of your home.

I can honestly say that I am afraid of what Bush will do. He is so backwards that I can't even keep up. For every step we take he is taking two in the other direction.

Who wants to invest in abortion clinics in Tijuana ?

I'm in. We'll be rich!!!!

Hey franc, how is the weather where you are? We are coming to France for a few months and trying to decide where to stay.

[QUOTE=franc tireur]Who wants to invest in abortion clinics in Tijuana ?[/QUOTE]
Good call Franc, I'm always up for new and controversial business endeavours. Don't forget that after you an abortion clinic it's always important to let everyone know how morally superior you are to everyone else. Pro Choice doesn't mean Anti-Profit. I'm sure we could pay Mexican Abortion doctors next to nothing and charge American women out the ass. Let's exploit everything we can, that'll show everyone how morally upright we are.

[QUOTE=Trail Fodder]snopes.com backs up this story[/QUOTE]

Him being appointed is true but what he said in the email was not exactly true.

this thread is based on a rumor already proven false.

we should really just let this thread die.

this is NOT a false story.

here's an old CNN link (my internet access at work is severely limited)

[url]http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/10/timep.fda.tm/index.html[/url]

blah blah blah..... Bush did appoint this guy, but Bush is not Catholic and birth control is not being turned into another form of abortion.

blah blah blah blah blah.....

my view is that it depends on how the pill works. all pills work differently. Some pills allow the egg and sperm to unite (conception) and then doesn't allow the egg to implant into the uterus wall. For those of us who belive life begins at conception then it is killing the baby by not letting it grow (lke if you starved your child cause you didn't want it). My solution is to find a pill that would sterilize the egg not the walls. Because sterilizing the walls could be a problem later when the woman does want to get pregnant.

^good point.^