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[QUOTE]The big lie about the harp seal hunt
A challenge to the leading activist's views on the hunt

KELLY TOUGHILL

Paul Watson is an idiot.

Need proof? The famous anti-sealing activist recently compared a hunt for 320,000 harp seals to the Holocaust that killed 6 million Jews.

"I would not have compromised with the Nazi over the fate of the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto and I do not believe in compromising with the thugs who kill these seals," Watson wrote a student at Newfoundland's Memorial University.

The analogy is more offensive to Jews than sealers, but either way it stinks. It also reveals a lot about Watson, a man who sheds the truth like an old pair of shoes when it no longer fits his needs.

Here are the lies at the root of Watson's anti-sealing campaign:

Sealers kill newborn seals. Watson has a picture of a "white coat" baby seal on his website, though he must know that the white coat hunt was banned decades ago.

Sealers kill young seals in front of their mothers. In fact, the mother seals are long gone from the whelping ice by the time the hunt begins.

Seals suffer horribly because they are killed in cruel ways. Not true. Most seals are shot through the head and die instantly. Many animals raised for meat suffer more. Think about crying calves kept perpetually tied up to make tender veal, geese force-fed to fatten their livers, cattle penned in horrid feedlots.

The seal hunt is the "largest slaughter of a mammalian species." Not even remotely close to true. In Canada alone, more than 3.2 million cows were slaughtered in the year 2000. That's just one country, one species, and a death toll 10 times greater than the seal hunt.

The hunt is subsidized by Canada. Not true. Sealers can't even use their time at sea to qualify for unemployment insurance. The Coast Guard does patrol the ice where the hunt takes place (partly to make sure kooks like Paul Watson behave), but if that patrol is a subsidy, then so are RCMP patrols on major highways. Unlike agriculture and other industries, sealers get no direct subsidies.

The hunt is a "threat to the survival of the species." The harp seal population has exploded in the last 20 years, even as the hunt has grown. For those who don't have a few months to independently evaluate the conflicting studies on this issue, consider this: It is the specific mandate of the World Wildlife Fund to protect endangered species, and it has endorsed the hunt.

The seal hunt is economically wasteful. This is the lie that hurts the most. The communities that depend on the seal hunt for survival are among the poorest in Canada, tiny outports devastated by the collapse of the cod fishery. In some areas, the money brought in by sealing literally keeps the town alive.

Watson recently published a memoir, Seal War! The title is wrong. The battle on the ice is not a seal war. It is a modern-day class war that pits city folk against country folk. Pampered urban warriors are attacking rural subsistence dwellers who have neither the political clout, money nor media savvy to fight back. The victims in this war are not just the seals, but Atlantic Canadians who face one stark option in life: abandon home or figure out a way to pull a livelihood from the sea.

The seal hunt is gory, brutal and dangerous. Humans mistreat seals — and almost every other creature on Earth. Campaigning against the seal hunt allows urbanites to feel the satisfying thrill of righteousness and moral outrage, while risking nothing of their own. Meanwhile, most of them ignore the fact that billions of cows, ducks, chickens, lambs and geese suffer and die each year for the pleasure of their friends and neighbours.

Idiocy.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. I hate activists like this, so its good to see them get thrashed.

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[URL=http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/faq_e.htm]Good Fucking Site[/URL]

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why must they do it with clubs? why must they do it at all?
i eat cows and think they are cute in the same day....i eat the cooked embryos of chickens for breakfast, then eat the chicken for dinner...bacon goes well with those eggs and pork in the following evening. I do not like pork grinds, though. There is a lot of meat I havent had yet, and some I will not ever.

Seals are not livestock, fucking period.

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[QUOTE=Minuet]why must they do it with clubs? why must they do it at all?
i eat cows and think they are cute in the same day....i eat the cooked embryos of chickens for breakfast, then eat the chicken for dinner...bacon goes well with those eggs and pork in the following evening. I do not like pork grinds, though. There is a lot of meat I havent had yet, and some I will not ever.

Seals are not livestock, fucking period.[/QUOTE]

Are pork grinds like pork rinds? I've never had either and don't really want to try them but, I do want to know.

What do you think about hunting bear?

When the seal population gets too high and they start killing off valuable fishing sites, they must be killed- relocation wouldnt work- there are too fucking many. Is controlled breeding the only other solution? It's population control.

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]Are pork grinds like pork rinds? I've never had either and don't really want to try them but, I do want to know.

What do you think about hunting bear?

When the seal population gets too high and they start killing off valuable fishing sites, they must be killed- relocation wouldnt work- there are too fucking many. Is controlled breeding the only other solution? It's population control.[/QUOTE]

Then I suppose we should just kill a lot of humans as well, because we are too fucking overpopulated and killing our valuable planet.

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[QUOTE=Minuet]Then I suppose we should just kill a lot of humans as well, because we are too fucking overpopulated and killing our valuable planet.[/QUOTE]

Actually...
For the size of the planet, there are not to many people. In fact- Australia is giving, I believe, $22,000 to any family who has a third child.
In China, there are breeding laws.
How many women have abortions every day?
Our technoloy causes us to eat up natural resources- not our population.

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[QUOTE=Minuet]Then I suppose we should just kill a lot of humans as well, because we are too fucking overpopulated and killing our valuable planet.[/QUOTE]well minuet on this one i'm with you.

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]Actually...
For the size of the planet, there are not to many people. In fact- Australia is giving, I believe, $22,000 to any family who has a third child.
In China, there are breeding laws.
How many women have abortions every day?
Our technoloy causes us to eat up natural resources- not our population.[/QUOTE]
considering that the planet is 70% water. it IS overpopulated. so what australia gices families with 3 kids or more, 22 grand, that promotes more babies. Have a 3rd one, get some money. It costs waaaaay more than 22 grand to raise one kid, let alone 3. us census estimated 400 grand for a kid from 1 day to 22 years to be raised, not including college.
females who have abortions per day approx: 126,000 (from the cbr2003)

our population isnt supporting better technology.

the 22 grand australia gives to families for having more than 3 kids could go towards solar panels for houses/builidings to reduce electricity usage.

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if it werent for people stealing a lot of the fish for market, the seal wouldnt follow and `take over` humans selfish eating habits.

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I say we just let seals take over the fucking world. We wouldn't want to come off as selfish or anything right?

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they wont take over the world, silly. they live by water most of their lives. Plus, some seals have a mortaility rate of 20-30% in their first year. And they only live about 30 years. so we do not need to kill them. if people want a fucking fuir coat, they cant wait til the things die. if there is so many of them that people are freaking out, then they know, or should know that because so many are born, so many of them will die naturally,everyday, without having to be clubbed, and ONLY then can they have their fur fucking coat and seal skins.

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I know they won't take over the world. I was just being a putz. Seriously though, I don't see what the big deal is. If seals are annoying the piss out of all the northerners, why shouldn't they be able to kill them?

If your house were infested with roaches would you kill them minuet? Or would you make them your pets? It may seem silly to ask that questions but these seals are becoming like an infestation that is fucking with the fishing industry.

Animals die, its sad, we move on.

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then it should be legal to murder humans and use their skulls for bowls of cereal, and bra`s for the next victoria`s secret campaign.

fuck the fishing industry, fuck the government that has to kill seals to boost their economy. Its always about fucking money. THATS HOW MUCH FUCK FISH!

I am not saying I dont understand the reasons behind it, but I do not see why they have to CLUB them, skin them alive, drag them for yards to boats while still concious.

Why cant they just shoot them if its so neccesary? They say that only 1 in 10 seals are clubbed while the rest are shot, yet....`Canada began to require that hunters poke a seal in the eye to see if it blinks to ensure it's dead before skinning it.`

ok, quickly this turned into my wanting to help prevent close to one million seals from being clubbed, I think it is wrong how it is being done.. you have your opinions and I have mine.

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They would probably rather club them to save money as well. Bullets=cash. I don't think they should be clubbed either but something has to be done. You say fuck the fishing industry but some people depend on the fishing industry. Fuck them as well right? Bah.

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[QUOTE=capitalistnihilist]They would probably rather club them to save money as well. Bullets=cash. I don't think they should be clubbed either but something has to be done. You say fuck the fishing industry but some people depend on the fishing industry. Fuck them as well right? Bah.[/QUOTE]
they fucked up and are now clubbing seals as an excuse because of their own mismanagements

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In Newfoundland, where the seal hunt is primarily taking place, the seal populationis HUGE. Seals here have no natural predators except for man or MAYBE a stray polar bear. They, themselves are predators and feasting on all types of fish. The seal population may well increase to such an extreme that seals will starve to death from lack of adequate food to sustain their enormous population... because they've eaten everything.

The killing of live seals by clubbing is now illegal, Minuet... and that picture you have of a baby seal? It's illegal to kill them too. Your whole point about seals dying when they're young? That's all well and good- quite possibly true... but doesn't really matter here cause they're not allowed to be killed anyway. Seal meat can be eaten, their fur and fat used, and they're population even sustained in the long run by the short term killing of a few thousand.

Or maybe we should just wait for them to die of starvation. Let's let them so deplete OUR food source that they eventually die off... become extinct.

We're at the top of the food chain for a reason.
I, for one, would kill and eat my fucking cat if it meant one more day for me to live. You know what? I migt not even kill it before I ate it. I'd rip it's fucking head off with my bare hands and eat its brain while it still squealed... one more day for me!

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Damn straight!

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thats fine judas, but you would live longer than one day after eating a fucking cat, and you could most certainly live about 2 weeks with aboslutely nothing, as terri shaivo (sp?) had done.

and by the way you.... if youre so pro on killing things, go have an abortion instead of giving your baby up for adoption. better yet, have an abortion and store it in the freezer so you have a cat [I]and [/I]a fetus

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Mmmmmmmmmmm, fetus.

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its raining amniotic fluid! Wink

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[QUOTE=Minuet]thats fine judas, but you would live longer than one day after eating a fucking cat, and you could most certainly live about 2 weeks with aboslutely nothing, as terri shaivo (sp?) had done.

and by the way you.... if youre so pro on killing things, go have an abortion instead of giving your baby up for adoption. better yet, have an abortion and store it in the freezer so you have a cat [I]and [/I]a fetus[/QUOTE]

Hey Minuet? Heres a pun and an opinion: that was below the belt and I expect an apology.

Here's something else:
It is also illegal to kill an unborn child after 15 weeks of pregnancy and I'm due in about 7 weeks. Do the math you fucking cunt.
Also- it is no longer a fetus, you bloody twat rag.

And to your first bit about liveing more tha a day? Fucking great for me- I'd live 2 weeks plus however long a big fat juicy cat would sustain me for. You horrendous excuse for a human.

Tell me to kill my child... what the fuck is wrong with you?

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apart from any of the rest of this... i eat meat, and do own a piece of vintage fur, although i don't support the fur industry or buying new fur and try as hard as i can to eat the diet that i do as socially consciously as possible in the current market... but no matter which way you look at it, seal clubbing is sad, and that picture, whether you think the deaths are justifiable or not, is still sad, and i can't imagine anyone but a psychopath would find something like that funny. i eat meat, but do i want to see a picture of a cow with a bolt through her forehead? absolutely not, and just because i enjoy a steak or burger from time to time doesn't mean i'd take any morbid humor out of seeing the process up close.

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]Hey Minuet? Heres a pun and an opinion: that was below the belt and I expect an apology.

Here's something else:
It is also illegal to kill an unborn child after 15 weeks of pregnancy and I'm due in about 7 weeks. Do the math you fucking cunt.
Also- it is no longer a fetus, you bloody twat rag.

And to your first bit about liveing more tha a day? Fucking great for me- I'd live 2 weeks plus however long a big fat juicy cat would sustain me for. You horrendous excuse for a human.

Tell me to kill my child... what the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]

you arent getting a fucking apology from me. I didnt tell you to kill the baby, i said, (if you fucking read, miss-selective-reading) that IF you were so pro on killing, why dont you?

it wasnt a fucking demand nor was it anymore inappropraite than your descriptive way of how you might kill your cat if you would die otherwise.

[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]I, for one, would kill and eat my fucking cat if it meant one more day for me to live. You know what? I migt not even kill it before I ate it. I'd rip it's fucking head off with my bare hands and eat its brain while it still squealed... one more day for me![/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Minuet]you arent getting a fucking apology from me. I didnt tell you to kill the baby, i said, (if you fucking read, miss-selective-reading) that IF you were so pro on killing, why dont you?

it wasnt a fucking demand nor was it anymore inappropraite than your descriptive way of how you might kill your cat if you would die otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Clarification is another form of apology, Rot Twat.
I'm through with you.

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going going going, gone

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]Are pork grinds like pork rinds? I've never had either and don't really want to try them but, I do want to know.

What do you think about hunting bear?

When the seal population gets too high and they start killing off valuable fishing sites, they must be killed- relocation wouldnt work- there are too fucking many. Is controlled breeding the only other solution? It's population control.[/QUOTE]
Then the same logic should be applied to humans.. The human race is the most detrimental creature on the planet. I don't think you can argue that. The majority takes and keeps taking. We’re the matrix of disease and pollution. We populate like maggots, sucking up all natural resources.

mm, hate activates ehh? I hate people that can't see the other side.

Clubbing seals is still brutality. I’ve never read anything by Paul Watson, but if has to use the holocaust metaphor to kick people out of a comma: fine.

. There have been countless studies that show, through years of observation, that mammals feel a verity of emotions. If you ever watch those documentaries where hunters are breaking skulls, you can hear the parents and pack wailing in grief.

No, don’t fucking agree for fuck all.

Mm, if you can take a club, bash a baby seal’s head in and feel nothing, then fine. Just give the opportunity to another species to devour and shit out your first-born. An eye for an eye.

I'll bring the utensils

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more stuff:

random internet news source wrote:
BOSTON (Reuters) - A Boston Globe freelance writer fabricated large chunks of a story published this week, the newspaper said on Friday in the latest incident to embarrass the U.S. media.

The Globe, which is owned by The New York Times Co., said it stopped using writer Barbara Stewart because of a story that ran on Wednesday about a seal hunt off Newfoundland -- a hunt, it turns out, that had not taken place.

The Halifax, Nova Scotia-datelined article described in graphic detail how the seal hunt began on Tuesday, with water turning red as hunters on some 300 boats shot harp seal cubs "by the hundreds."

The problem, however, was that the hunt did not begin on Tuesday; it was delayed by bad weather and was scheduled to start on Friday, weather permitting, the Globe said in an editor's note.

Stewart could not immediately be reached for comment.

The newspaper, which first learned of the problem when the Canadian government called to complain, said in an editor's note it should not have published the story and should have insisted on attribution for details because the writer was not reporting from the scene.

"Details included the number of hunters, a description of the scene, and the approximate age of the cubs. The author's failure to accurately report the status of the hunt and her fabrication of details at the scene are clear violations of the Globe's journalistic standards," the paper said.

'NEVER ASSUME'

Globe Foreign Editor James Smith said that the newspaper knew Stewart was not at the seal hunt and was doing her reporting from Halifax.

"What she told us -- and we did check during the day -- was that she had confirmed with one of the fishermen in the story that it was going ahead," Smith said, adding that in retrospect the paper should have worked harder to clarify this.

"The point is, never assume," he told Reuters.

He added that Globe staffers have since reviewed two other stories Stewart wrote for the paper, but found no inaccuracies or other problems with them.

Canada is extremely sensitive about the hunt, during which hundreds of thousands of seals are beaten to death or shot for their pelts every year. U.S. activists, who says the seals are killed inhumanely, are urging consumers to shun Canadian seafood until the hunt is stopped.

Canadian Fisheries Minister Geoff Regan said his officials had called the paper to point out the error.

"We've been trying to get the facts out about the seal harvest, the fact that the herd is very healthy ... that in 98 percent of cases it (the hunt) is done in a humane way," he told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Officials with the newspaper were not immediately available for further comment.

U.S. media organizations have been hit with a series of high-profile cases involving plagiarism or fabrication.

In 2003, The New York Times' top two editors, Howell Raines and Gerald Boyd, left the paper after it was disclosed that reporter Jayson Blair had fabricated and plagiarized material.

CBS News, The Washington Post, NBC News, CNN, the New Republic magazine and USA Today have also been caught up in celebrated flaps over inaccurate reporting.

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how do they prove the seal hunts did not actually take place on the day planned?

what day was this article published?

They only said `Tuesday`. Theres been 3 Tuesdays since the seal hunts began....

i think that it is possible that the above article could be a fabrication about a (supposed) fabrication.

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[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]Then the same logic should be applied to humans.. The human race is the most detrimental creature on the planet. I don't think you can argue that. The majority takes and keeps taking. We’re the matrix of disease and pollution. We populate like maggots, sucking up all natural resources.

mm, hate activates ehh? I hate people that can't see the other side.

Clubbing seals is still brutality. I’ve never read anything by Paul Watson, but if has to use the holocaust metaphor to kick people out of a comma: fine.

. There have been countless studies that show, through years of observation, that mammals feel a verity of emotions. If you ever watch those documentaries where hunters are breaking skulls, you can hear the parents and pack wailing in grief.

No, don’t fucking agree for fuck all.

Mm, if you can take a club, bash a baby seal’s head in and feel nothing, then fine. Just give the opportunity to another species to devour and shit out your first-born. An eye for an eye.

I'll bring the utensils[/QUOTE]

You dont get it man. Seal hunting is the one of the only ways some people in Newfoundland can make a living and survive. City people seem to feel above these people and push their beliefs on them. If you were a Newfoundlander, you would realize this is one way to survive. There are no more cod fisheries. There are no big plants or assembly lines or office buildings for these people.

I see the other side, sure. But I do hate activists. Comfortable in their own home, they feel its alright to say "O you shouldnt kill those animals they are cute". You should stay in your house . You shouldnt go try and get food for your family. You shouldnt try to eek ot wan existence in a place with so little oppurtunity. This is one way for these people to survive on the Coast that we thoughtlessly plundered. Seal hunts are controlled. They are a part of the lfie of these people and a way for survival.

We can sit here and say "O killing baby seals is sooo bad". They arent just killing baby seals. This isnt "O lets kill all baby seals". Its a seal hunt. Sometimes baby seals get killed. But that isnt the sole mission. THe seals shown on many websites arent even the ones that are killed, they just look the "cutest" and are used for that effect.

I hat activists because they dont give us any solutions. They dont fight for education or the idea of spreading jobs into Newfoundland, for givign these coast people other choices, other ways to make a living. They say "O stop hunting seals they are cute !!!". They dont give any solutions. So yes, I hate animal activists. I hate the idea they find themselves mor eethical than us, but only because its the "in thing" to care about rainfoprests and animals in society. We dont care about the poor, we dont care about the abandoned children or war torn nations. But we care about rainforests in other nations, where people are tryign to eek out an existence? We care about seals because they look cute?

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]In Newfoundland, where the seal hunt is primarily taking place, the seal populationis HUGE. Seals here have no natural predators except for man or MAYBE a stray polar bear. They, themselves are predators and feasting on all types of fish. The seal population may well increase to such an extreme that seals will starve to death from lack of adequate food to sustain their enormous population... because they've eaten everything.

The killing of live seals by clubbing is now illegal, Minuet... and that picture you have of a baby seal? It's illegal to kill them too. Your whole point about seals dying when they're young? That's all well and good- quite possibly true... but doesn't really matter here cause they're not allowed to be killed anyway. Seal meat can be eaten, their fur and fat used, and they're population even sustained in the long run by the short term killing of a few thousand.

Or maybe we should just wait for them to die of starvation. Let's let them so deplete OUR food source that they eventually die off... become extinct.

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Yes.

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I'm a big fan of activism, but animal activists are fucking nutbags. Fo shizzle.

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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]You dont get it man. Seal hunting is the one of the only ways some people in Newfoundland can make a living and survive. City people seem to feel above these people and push their beliefs on them. If you were a Newfoundlander, you would realize this is one way to survive. There are no more cod fisheries. There are no big plants or assembly lines or office buildings for these people.

I see the other side, sure. But I do hate activists. Comfortable in their own home, they feel its alright to say "O you shouldnt kill those animals they are cute". You should stay in your house . You shouldnt go try and get food for your family. You shouldnt try to eek ot wan existence in a place with so little oppurtunity. This is one way for these people to survive on the Coast that we thoughtlessly plundered. Seal hunts are controlled. They are a part of the lfie of these people and a way for survival.

We can sit here and say "O killing baby seals is sooo bad". They arent just killing baby seals. This isnt "O lets kill all baby seals". Its a seal hunt. Sometimes baby seals get killed. But that isnt the sole mission. THe seals shown on many websites arent even the ones that are killed, they just look the "cutest" and are used for that effect.

I hat activists because they dont give us any solutions. They dont fight for education or the idea of spreading jobs into Newfoundland, for givign these coast people other choices, other ways to make a living. They say "O stop hunting seals they are cute !!!". They dont give any solutions. So yes, I hate animal activists. I hate the idea they find themselves mor eethical than us, but only because its the "in thing" to care about rainfoprests and animals in society. We dont care about the poor, we dont care about the abandoned children or war torn nations. But we care about rainforests in other nations, where people are tryign to eek out an existence? We care about seals because they look cute?[/QUOTE]
Mm I agree if your talking about indigenous people's way of life. When seal hunting is a genuine part of traditional values and a means for survival (food, clothing, income) then fine (that’s like saying native Americans were cruel to hunt buffalo). But i don't believe that's the case here. Big business fuels these hunts. They are mostly conducted merely for profit, and the seal hunts account for insignificant percentages regarding individual income. These hunts do not constitute or support a way of life.
[QUOTE][B][I]Who Kills Seals and Why?[/B][/I]
Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, a small fraction of their annual incomes from sealing—and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90% of sealers live, there are only 4,000 fishermen who actively participate in the seal hunt each year.

[I][B]How Are the Seals Killed?[/B][/I]
The Canadian Marine Mammal Regulations, which govern the hunt, stipulate sealers may kill seals with wooden clubs, hakapiks (large ice-pick-like clubs) and guns. In the Gulf of St. Lawrence, clubs and hakapiks are the killing implement of choice, and in the Front, guns are more widely used.
It is important to note that each killing method is demonstrably cruel. Because sealers shoot at seals from moving boats, the pups are often only wounded. The main sealskin processing plant in Canada deducts $2 from the price they pay for the skins for each bullet hole they find—therefore sealers are loath to shoot seals more than once. As a result, wounded seals are left to suffer in agony—many slip beneath the surface of the water where they die slowly and are never recovered.
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[B]Is the Seal Hunt Cruel?[/B][/I]
Yes. In 2001, a report by an independent team of veterinarians who studied the hunt concluded that governmental regulations regarding humane killing were neither being respected nor enforced, and that the seal hunt failed to comply with Canada's basic animal welfare regulations. Shockingly, the veterinarians found that in 42% of the cases they studied, the seals had likely been skinned alive while conscious.
Parliamentarians, journalists, and scientists who observe Canada's commercial seal hunt each year continue to report unacceptable levels of cruelty, including sealers dragging conscious seals across the ice floes with boat hooks, shooting seals and leaving them to suffer in agony, stockpiling dead and dying animals, and even skinning seals alive. Click here to see recent video footage of Canada's commercial seal hunt.
[I][B]
How Many Seals Are Killed Each Year?[/B][/I]
Hundreds of thousands. Over the past three years, more than a million seals have been killed. In 2004, 365,971 seals were killed—the largest number of seals killed in Canada in more than half a century. The last time this many seals were killed—in the 1950s and 1960s—close to two thirds of the harp seal population was wiped out.
And the actual number of seals killed is probably far higher than the number reported. Many seals are shot at and injured in the course of the hunt, and studies suggest that a significant number of these animals slip beneath the surface of the water, where they die slowly and are never recovered.

[I][B]Are There Any Penalties When Hunters Exceed the Government's Quota?[/B][/I]
No. In 2002, the Canadian government knowingly allowed sealers to exceed the quota by more than 37,000 animals. Sealers had already killed substantially more than the quota allowed by May 15 (the regulated closing date of the seal hunt) and yet the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans chose to extend the sealing season until June. In 2004, sealers killed close to 16,000 seals more than the permitted quota. Again, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans extended the sealing season until well into June.

[I][B]What Products Are Made from Seals?[/B][/I]
Seals are killed primarily for their fur, which is used to produce fashion garments and other items. There is a small market for seal oil (both for industrial purposes and for human consumption), and seal penises have been sold in Asian markets as an aphrodisiac. There is almost no market for the meat, so seal carcasses are normally left to rot on the ice.

[I][B]Is the Seal Hunt Economically Important?[/B][/I]
No. Sealing is an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from Canada's East Coast. They make, on average, one twentieth of their incomes from seal hunting and the rest from commercial fisheries. Even in Newfoundland, where 90% of sealers live, revenues from the hunt account for less than 1% of the province's economy and only 2% of the landed value of the fishery. According to the Newfoundland government, out of a population of half a million people, only 4,000 fishermen participate in the seal hunt each year.
The commercial seal hunt is an activity that Canada's federal government could easily replace with economic alternatives should it choose to do so.
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[B]Does the Government Subsidize the Hunt?[/B][/I]
Yes. According to reports from the Canadian Institute for Business and the Environment, more than $20 million in subsidies were provided to the sealing industry between 1995 and 2001. Those subsidies came from entities such as the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, Human Resources Development Council, and Canada Economic Development–Quebec. These subsidies take a variety of forms, including funding the salaries for seal processing plant workers, market research and development trips, and capital acquisitions for processing plants.
Moreover, Canada's commercial seal hunt is also indirectly subsidized by the Norwegian government. A Norwegian company purchases close to 80% of the sealskins produced in Canada in any given year through its Canadian subsidiary. These skins are shipped in an unprocessed state directly to Norway, where they are tanned and re-exported. The Norwegian government provides significant financial assistance to this company each year.
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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]But I do hate activists.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, [b]THOSE PARTICULAR ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS[/b] are full of shit, but that doesn't go for [b]ALL[/b] activists. You're generalizing. The activity of activism itself isn't the problem, and I think the vast majority of activists believe in what they're doing for reasons beyond the superficial ones that you seem to assume they do.

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[QUOTE=TheJudasCow]We're at the top of the food chain for a reason.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, but does that justify taking and destroying anything and everything we see fit? I think having the intellect to comprehend suffering and to comprehend morality brings a certain responsibility with it. Just because you can take something, doesn't mean you should. Just because you have the capacity to destroy, doesn't mean you should.

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[QUOTE]Originally Posted by TheJudasCow
We're at the top of the food chain for a reason.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don't subscribe to the great chain of being bullshit. if I were to draw a diagram we'd be on the bottom. Smile Big

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[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]Sorry, I don't subscribe to the great chain of being bullshit. if I were to draw a diagram we'd be on the bottom. :D[/QUOTE]
haha!
[SIZE=1]hmyum, id love to work on that with you.[/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=Chris Fabulous]Yeah, [b]THOSE PARTICULAR ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS[/b] are full of shit, but that doesn't go for [b]ALL[/b] activists. You're generalizing. The activity of activism itself isn't the problem, and I think the vast majority of activists believe in what they're doing for reasons beyond the superficial ones that you seem to assume they do.

CF[/QUOTE]

I know I know... there are both types and I have met both.

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both!? there are so many more than just any one or of another.

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[QUOTE=Minuet]both!? there are so many more than just any one or of another.[/QUOTE]

For chissakes, I know!

Both as in the two we were talking about!

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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]For chissakes, I know!

Both as in the two we were talking about![/QUOTE]
oohhhhkaaay! jeez. nominate me instead of best thread ruiner for miss obvious then, if it makes you feel better.

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[QUOTE=Minuet]oohhhhkaaay! jeez. nominate me instead of best thread ruiner for miss obvious then, if it makes you feel better.[/QUOTE]

You can have a cape and a shield and a sword and an invisible car, and a wand and a batarang and martial arts skills and karate chop action and super glowing wings and a phaser and an X-Wing fighter and a lightsaber and a pirate sword...

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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]You can have a cape and a shield and a sword and an invisible car, and a wand and a batarang and martial arts skills and karate chop action and super glowing wings and a phaser and an X-Wing fighter and a lightsaber and a pirate sword...[/QUOTE]
so i guess this leaves the carrot skin for you then?

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[QUOTE=Minuet]so i guess this leaves the carrot skin for you then?[/QUOTE]

No... I get the batmobile.

And DarkWing Duck's amazing plane.

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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]No... I get the batmobile.

And DarkWing Duck's amazing plane.[/QUOTE]
yeah, but i still get the super glowing wings and martial arts skills, and the army of armour plated seals with retractable jaws, and with balls bigger than yours and your army, if you have one, which you dont. and the seals will also have a scream that could shatter the atmosphere and suck you out and into a planet-lacuna.

so ha! `blame canada!` with their flappy little heads!

(and if you try to kill the seals, they will turn into zombie seals who will be called `Zeals`. And the Zeals will fuck all day and all night and when gestation is complete (lets say, 12 hours - both males and females can have bebbes) they will have supercreature offspring, and if / when they are hit or shot and killed, (of their own speacies, or the species they spawn from) they will bubble into a thick goop (which is unmovable by anything) that spawns Galactic Critters and Hellsavories that will feast on the goop they spawn from and they will grow almighty and your Batmobile and DarkWingDuckMobile will be chew toys for them and they will [I]all[/I] be at my command)

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[QUOTE=Minuet]haha!
[SIZE=1]hmyum, id love to work on that with you.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
of course, i wouldn't have it any other way Wink
[QUOTE=Minuet]yeah, but i still get the super glowing wings and martial arts skills, and the army of armour plated seals with retractable jaws, and with balls bigger than yours and your army, if you have one, which you dont. and the seals will also have a scream that could shatter the atmosphere and suck you out and into a planet-lacuna.

so ha! `blame canada!` with their flappy little heads!

(and if you try to kill the seals, they will turn into zombie seals who will be called `Zeals`. And the Zeals will fuck all day and all night and when gestation is complete (lets say, 12 hours - both males and females can have bebbes) they will have supercreature offspring, and if / when they are hit or shot and killed, (of their own speacies, or the species they spawn from) they will bubble into a thick goop (which is unmovable by anything) that spawns Galactic Critters and Hellsavories that will feast on the goop they spawn from and they will grow almighty and your Batmobile and DarkWingDuckMobile will be chew toys for them and they will [I]all[/I] be at my command)[/QUOTE]
that's just too adorable for words Smile I want one!

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[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]of course, i wouldn't have it any other way Wink

that's just too adorable for words Smile I want one![/QUOTE]
Smile
We could be Partners in Time!

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[QUOTE=random internet news source]Center Party wants wolves out
Norway's agrarian Center Party (Sp) wants a ban on reproducing wolves and an end to the animal within the country's borders.

The suggestion to forbid reproducing wolves in order to secure local businesses and communities is a suggestion for part of the Center Party's new party program.

"We want to keep Norway wolf-free. The wolf is vermin and should be taken out," said the leader of the Center Party program committee, Lars Peder Brekk.

The Socialist Left (SV) Party said the viewpoint will make it very difficult to find a compromise stance with the Sp. The possibility of a new 'red-green' alliance of the Labor Party, SV and Sp has been widely discussed as a new election approaches.

Labor in particular has modified its stance on several issues in order to court a potential new coalition government.

SV politician Hallgeir Langeland said the Sp proposal is also in violation of international agreements and responsible environmental policy.
[/QUOTE]where are the activists here? don't all animals deserve to live freely in their natural habitat?

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Alex, everyone knows wolves arent cute and cuddly...

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[QUOTE=MockyMockins]Alex, everyone knows wolves arent cute and cuddly...[/QUOTE]
yes they are

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until they're biting off your face.

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awww, theyre just playin`

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My dog would bite me when he was tired. It was he way of politely saying, “It’s time to go to bed asshole.”

You know the Simpson’s episode where the deer turn into ravenous carnivores and eat the hunters? How can we go about starting that evolution?