Abortion Good or Bad

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

Nice Bale out.

That's right, I went there.

Hot damn! Did i second post this thread into something worthwhile or what?

POIDH!

Okay, I was only going to pop in with some snarky comment or other, such as, did this thread really just happen?

But then, I saw this post. And I think this is important:

INTENTS AND PURPOSES.

Thank you.

I came in here to say this very thing!

You could of said I couldn't care less, but you'd be wrong.

So if you were arguing for the existence of a hollow earth, you'd be using a theory no matter how old, too, and in good conscience at that?

Also, he didn't namedrop any philosophers. He DID mention Piaget, who was an expert on childhood development.

My intensive purpose here is to say the following:

No laws are just. However, somethings are just Rong. Murder, Theft, etc. Bans are for commis and totalitarians, and they don't "work". Thus the moral decision remains with the person.

Late term abortions/partial birth is super duper Rong. Partial birth basically means the kid's delivered, but not allowed to breathe before the scissors crack open the base of the skull.

For seriose: Abortions are one of those things that is super not cool, but super unenforceable. Thus, ditch the rhetoric and tell people not to get them, don't attempt to use coercion.

That would be rhetoric.

A Modest Proposal: For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland from Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public

By Johnathan Swift

A great piece of satire and a quick read! Eating children.

Personally, i think that if you make a mistake then you should suffer that mistake... so i think that the people should just keep the kids.

Should and must, not equal here.

Tuffy, how is that rhetoric?

oops, you shouldna got raped....

abortion isn’t good or bad. Nobody takes that decision lightly...
If the right wing idiots that want it banned got there wish, then there would be a lot more backstreet abortions with no questions asked or help provided.

Bad if you are in a loving relationship.

Good if you get a frantic call at 3AM from a Las Vegas Stripper

It's not "Left" versus "Right", it's the State versus You.

That is the definition of hyperbole, not rhetoric.

Rhetoric is the art of using language as a means to persuade. Along with grammar and logic or dialectic, rhetoric is one of the three ancient arts of discourse. From ancient Greece to the late 19th Century, it was a central part of Western education, filling the need to train public speakers and writers to move audiences to action with arguments. The very act of defining has itself been a central part of rhetoric, appearing among Aristotle's Topics. The word is derived from the Greek ῥητορικός (rhētorikós), "oratorical", from ῥήτωρ (rhḗtōr), "public speaker", related to ῥημα (rhêma), "that which is said or spoken, word, saying", and ultimately derived from the verb ἐρῶ (erô), "to speak, say". In its broadest sense, rhetoric concerns human discourse.

I'm not sure what dictionary you are using.

Main Entry: rhet·o·ric \ˈre-tə-rik\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English rethorik, from Anglo-French rethorique, from Latin rhetorica, from Greek rhētorikē, literally, art of oratory, from feminine of rhētorikos of an orator, from rhētōr orator, rhetorician, from eirein to say, speak

Date: 14th century

1: the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a: the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2 a: skill in the effective use of speech b: a type or mode of language or speech ; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
3: verbal communication : discourse

Rhetoric is were you ask a question were the answer is already understood. Duhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Thanks to great leaders, such as Genghis Khan, Joan of Arc, and Socratic Method, the world is full of history!

I find that abortion is a difficult issue.

I've been waiting for that.

It would be amazing if Giggan had to change his entire worldview because he'd confused the definitions of rhetoric and hyperbole...what if he comes back as a hannity-republican?

The one I posted is the first definition listed on dictionary dot commercial. Though I'd likely be more specific. I see rhetoric as using bullshit and my favorite, thought-terminating clichés, to make a point. Exaggeration is a major part of this.

I think it's oversimplifying and inaccurate to define it as an attempt to persuade, because persuasion does not need to imply overstatement, clichés, etc. It's rhetoric to be 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice', it's persuasion to say, 'this is how I feel and why, minus bullshiite'.

That said, I now worship at the feet of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbahh. Jay Kay.

Also, did you guys hear Hannity wants to be water boarded in order to prove that its not torture? I don't think it'll ever happen, but for saying he was willing he should be forced to admit that it is torture.

Merriam-Webster disagrees. As does Wikipedia (WWikipedia = Cite Fail, I know, but still). Using "rhetoric" as a synonym for "hyperbole" is a recent wing-nut appropriation. You are smarter than that.

hyperbole
Main Entry: hy·per·bo·le
Pronunciation: \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek hyperbolē excess, hyperbole, hyperbola, from hyperballein to exceed, from hyper- + ballein to throw
Date: 15th century

: extravagant exaggeration (as “mile-high ice-cream cones”)

Hyperbole is a good word; one that isn't used enough these days especially, since the advent of the internet, literally tens of billions online are prone to hyperbolic statements every day.

So is it sufficient to define rhetoric as the persuasion? Art of persuasion, I can maybe agree with, but its ignoring the ethics of persuasion.

Also there is a diff in the defs I used. The dic.com one says 'undue use of overstatement', where hyperbole is overstatement for effect. Undue use could be for effect, but hyperbole has a 'that was obviously an overstatement' connotation. I don't envision rhetoric as being something that is effective after it's been spotted.

This all reminds me of that one guy that wanted to argue and argue how Waking Life was actually a documentary.

I hope im not the only one that sees the irony in this
http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/92648?fp=1

is it because it talks about a powerball winner right after the one guy being shot?

nathaniel parker wrote:

Now who could say now to something that cute sucking an unborn fetus out of you?

HOW DOES MAKING YOUR POST IN ALL CAPS MAKE YOU RIGHT?

All flaming aside, I'd like to say that abortion SHOULD be a choice. Would you really put a baby in the hands of an irresponsible teenager? (Don't compare this to a babysitter, because baby sitters are usually responsible.) You wouldn't give that baby to the teenager and tell them to care for it until it's 18, to pay for it's diapers, food, drinks, crib, clothes, house, and someday, bed.

It's just not the logical thing to do.

Hmm. I gotta think about this one. Not now though, I'm busy.

I think abortion should absolutely be legal. History has shown that a majority of would-be parents, if given the choice, will make the choice they believe is best for their children. Even if it means killing them. It's rather easy: One generation after the famous Roe vs Wade case crime dropped like a rock all over America because a large amount of criminals were simply never born. It's a sad fact of our society that there are people who have no ability or money or will to care properly for a child, and I would argue that it's a good thing if they're not forced to try.

However, it's vital that said would-be parents are given full knowledge of all of their choices before they make it. I hear horror stories of doctors being paid handsomely by the producers of anti-depressant medicine to pressure young girls into having abortions, where they should offer comfort and calmly inform of educational programs, adoption, alternate lifestyles independent of the nuclear family ideal and what have you. There are some few people capable of dealing with having an abortion, and in a perfect world they are the only ones who should have to have one.

having slutty unprotected sex in the first place isn't the logical thing to do. people need to take responsibility for their own actions.

i still don't like this thread.

Why throw judgmental words like that around?

And also, abortion is taking responsibility for your actions.

No more abortions!
There.
It's settled.
Now on to the next issue!

Many more abortions!

>=O

post-partum abortions!
...oh, I think someone mentioned that in this thread already.

Guise! I already settled this. Let's move on! Stop living in the past, man!

No shit, teenagers are stupid fucks.

If you still think that it's okay to leave a defensless baby in the hands of someone irresponsible, it makes you just as irresponsible.

No, you stop living in the past! Oh wait, you can't.
I think we discussed that already.