A War on Dogs?

they kill little kids and elderly people.

please note, the Liberal Right Wing government we have now
has majority in the senate. they will ban all kinds of dogs soon.

Yeah, but is there an epidemic of people training attack dogs and letting them roam the streets at will?

yes.

Wouldn't the dogs just eat the poisonous cane toads that are allegedly swarming the land, solving two problems at once?

yeah, while they wear their kick ass dog googles [sic]

while we're at it. lets and siamese fighting fish, parona, and cats with claws.

bottom line is you dont fuck with dogs who dont know you, and if you have a pitbull you should know how to take care of/train one, or have it taken away and replaced with a goldfish

Pretty much.

Owners need to be held responsible.

[QUOTE=Spike][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200505/s1359021.htm[/url]

Kay, now Pit Bulls and a few other breeds are being treated like weapons in New South Wales.

In America, there are already laws in place if your dog attacks someone. The owner is usually held responsible. And we don't have millions of dog maulings.

But hey, maybe that doesn't go far enough. To keep citizens from getting hurt they should all be fitted with special helmets and googles and made to wear padded hockey gloves. Also, they need babysitters.[/QUOTE]

What the fuck? Do you think pit bulls are natural? We bred them to be good killers, what's wrong with ending the procreation of the fucking things?

Most dogs may try to attack people but since we are taller than them they see us as bigger, so it's in their genes to run away if we run at them and start chasing them. I've done it plenty of times when I've been out walking with all sorts of dogs, even dobermans and alsations. I'm lucky that I've never come across anything like a pitbull because apparently they have been so extensively inbred that they don't have much of a brain left.

Fuck that, my dog was a pitbull and he was the nicest dog you'd ever meet, unless you're an asshole dog running through my yard. so just because they were once bred for a specific purpose doesn't mean they should cease to exist. dalmations are the #1 dog that turns on it's owners--should we get rid of them for their violent streak?

[QUOTE=alex cassun]Fuck that, my dog was a pitbull and he was the nicest dog you'd ever meet, unless you're an asshole dog running through my yard. so just because they were once bred for a specific purpose doesn't mean they should cease to exist. dalmations are the #1 dog that turns on it's owners--should we get rid of them for their violent streak?[/QUOTE]

There's been quite a few cases in this country about pitbulls and the like mauling people and the courts ordering people to put them down. You always get soundbites of them protesting, saying things like "he was the nicest dog you'd ever meet".

I was bit by a golden retriever and they're like the nicest dogs ever so it doesn't really matter what breed, its about personality and training.

pitbulls, boxers, dalmations, rotweilers, and several other types of dogs are considered violent. but again, it has everything in the world to the way the dog is trained and raised. my dog was never trained to fight, but the first time i ever saw it happen i was impressed. i was wandering the woods with a bunch of friends. there were five dogs total, and four were pittbulls (mine was half pit, half boxer), and all the dogs knew each other except for mine. so kaiser (my dog) started flirting with the only bitch there, and the others took notice and they got into a bit bruhaha over it and attacked him. he easily fought off three of these guys, but the fourth was this gigantic motherfucker, probably 150 pounds that just bowled him over and clamped down on his neck. the owner had to bash him over the head with a fucking log to wake his ass us.

i moved back down to california, and i left him run off his leash day and night for three years--never once hurt a person or anyone's pet. all the kids in the neighborhood loved him. my 6 month old niece loved him and we never once felt apprehensive about their mingling. but he was still a fighter. when i'd moved to my house, there were stray dogs and coyotes everywhere, tons and tons of them. within six months of letting kaiser roam, there were no more coyotes (which are much more dangerous to people than dogs are) and there was the occasional "i'm just passing through" stray dog.

but then the neighbors decided they were going to let their dog, who was also half pit, roam the streets also, and every fucking time they let him loose, he'd run straight into my yard and pick a fight with kaiser, without fail. and kaiser would fight back and he'd win, unless i stepped in (which i did, when i was around), because that'd give their dog an advantage.

i felt more at danger by my (other) neighbor's shit little purse puppy than i did with my 80 lb. pitbull. it'd bite ankles, it'd sneak up on you, the little fucker snapped at my finger onces and shred it to shit.

so my point is yeah, dogs--all dogs--can be violent. the owners need to take responsibility for their pets. if the animal control people ever put some weight on me for letting my dog run loose, you'd better believe i'd've chained him up (which i began to do, reluctantly [he was so happy running free, and miserable being locked up] after the asshole neighbors didn't lock up their asshole dog). the owners are 100% liable for what a dog does. all animals are killers, otherwise they wouldn't've survived for so long. it's a matter of training and breeding that keeps those killer instincts at bay. sure, pitbulls were bred for a specific purpose, but not everyone breeds their dog for this reason. if i'm ever going to get another dog some day, i'm getting a pitbull (ideally another pitbull/boxer mix)--they're smart, they're friendly, they're loyal, and they can sense when someone/something doesn't have good intentions when they're walking up to your house. i'd never condone animal fights--i've got the scars to prove it--and i would like to see everyone who takes pleasure in that sort of thing have their tits and testicles removed.

I've never met a Pitbull that was agressive. I've met a few, and they're always extremely nice. One, whose name was Tyson, was about half wild and half trained, a farmer owned him, and the dog ran around the open country all the time. It would come back now and then with blood all over itself, and I checked it for wounds a few times, and it wasn't his blood. The thing would kill anything that provoked it, and it sometimes would kill and eat pigs or deer, but it never hurt people. It was nice, and got along well with my cousin's Labrador. The other one was just a big suck that looked incapable of hurting anything.

It depends on their owners.

Generally, stupid people buy Pitbulls. It's a favourite, like Dobermans and Rotweilers. You get some dumbass biker, and what kind of dog do you think he's going to do for? There aren't many Labrador attacks because people that buy Labradors generally have families, and people with families are generally capable of training a dog. You don't get many Shit Zu attacks because people who own Shit Zus are generally old ladies who give the dog a lot of attention. If somebody buys a Doberman or a Pitbull, it's because they want a tough dog, and people who want tough dogs are usually stupid and incapable of training it.

I doubt the probably has anything to do with genetics.

good point.

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]What the fuck? Do you think pit bulls are natural? We bred them to be good killers, what's wrong with ending the procreation of the fucking things?[/QUOTE]

We didn't breed them to be killers, we bred them to be hunters. Those two things are similar, but different. A hunter, in the times when hunting was essential and the dogs were bred, were after the trust of hunting moreso than the ability to kill something. And they aren't bred from a million different things, just terriers and bulldogs. They wanted the lock-jaw and the loyalty of a bulldog, and the agressiveness and speed of the terrier.

The fact that it can fight doesn't mean it will fight. Pitbulls are actually one of the least likely to bite people, because as a hunter it has the ability to interpret a threat. If you try to playfight with it, it'll play fight back. Try that with a Doberman and it will be more likely to bite you. However, your thing about chasing dogs is countered with the Pitbull, because it isn't afraid of anything. That's the biggest problem hunters had with them, they would lock their jaws onto a wildcat or a bear and keep them locked until the bear killed it.

There are simple rules for dealing with a Pitbull:

Act like an enemy, it will treat you like an enemy.
Act like a friend, it will treat you like a friend.

Unless it has been horribly trained(which is the case with any dog) a Pitbull will not bite someone unless the person is either breaking into the home when the dog is alone, hurting one of its loved ones, or hurting it. There are very little exceptions to this. And it isn't a Frankenstein either, it's just two breeds in one, and both of the dogs its been bred with have be known to be great, harmless dogs. The Pitbull's bad reputation is 100% due to the fact that the dog appeals to lowlives and dumbasses.

note that neither bulldogs nor terriors are naturally created creatures, either. they were bred from other dogs, and so on and so on.

[QUOTE=alex cassun]note that neither bulldogs nor terriors are naturally created creatures, either. they were bred from other dogs, and so on and so on.[/QUOTE]
There aren't many dogs that are 100% natural. There aren't many people that are 100% natural, either.

i was trained as a killer, not a hunter, and i'm really good with babies, until they start thinking their smarter than me, then i take offense--but it's not my fault, it's just the way i was raised.

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If we didn't have dog breeds we'd all be keeping domesticated wolves (or whatever wild dog is native to your location... coyotes... etc,) and in most states that's very illegal.

Now, I've been bitten by a friend's pit bull. She tore through the sleeve of my leather jacket and I'm not sure if she was playing or what, but it didn't break my skin and she's never done it again. She does have good owners who let her sleep inside and don't starve her or whack her with a stick for the hell of it, so I just think this was being hyper.

Girl I knew grew up in Tonopah and had an American Pit/Chow, which was a really sweet dog... because she took care of him. The rest of the litter was chained up in front of various trailers and they're all vicious as hell.

They're both very good car dogs. Even with me and my deer tail (I don't hunt, but I know people) hanging from my rear view mirror that looks so, so much like a chew toy to every dog I've had in there.

Any [i]dog[/i], if you neglect it or beat it or whatever, can be vicious. And there are some dog maulings where a kid's been poking the thing with a stick or otherwise taunting it, and while I don't think these kids necessarily deserve to get mauled, slightly less blame should be placed on the dog.

Teenagers and adults who go around taunting and harrassing large dogs I have much less sympathy for.

we had to get rid of our dog when i was a kid because that asshole michael edgeman was in our yard taunting him and the little fucker mooned him while standing just inside max's chained area. so yeah, the dob ran up--on his chain--and bit the kid in the ass. he had to get stitches, we had to get rid of our pet.

I got bit on the hand by my cousins' dog. It fucking hurt. They are the worst dog owners ever. They always wind up having to get rid of their dogs cuz they are fucking nuts.

Point is that its about training the dog first and the breed second.

Dalmations turn on their owners cuz they are inbred and stupid. I dont really know what that had to do with anything else i just said.