What did you think about THE MOVIE?

I watched this movie and found it quite interesting. The end of this movie is very fantastic. Its really worth your money.

I'm sure you know how the guy meant it much better than I would.

So you think he assumes watching the movie is the same experience as reading the book, and there's no point in doing both even if he loved the movies?

Exactly.

See, I'm not so sure. It would seem like someone with such a ridiculous perspective would come off as ridiculous from the get go, and I think you'd be able to pick up on that. But since you agreed to go out with this person, I'm not sure he could be so naive. Don't take this the wrong way, but it seems more likely that you assumed the worst, as you tend to do, from what I know of you.

Do I have a tendency to assume the worst? I did not know that about myself. I wasn't aware you knew me so well.

I know what he said and I know how he said it, considering other people agree with my reaction and you are the only one taking up for the guy... Yeah.

Someone's a bit defensive. Yes, you come off as a certain type that I'm pretty aware of. It's the unintended expression that I pay attention to when it comes to this sort of thing, as well as patterns.

I give the benefit of the doubt based on my own sense of probability, same as everyone else. I said I would've answered the same as the guy, and despite me explaining why I would, clearly stating I did not think reading the books after watching the movies would be pointless, you still came to assume that that was exactly what I thought. This suggests a lot about you, or at least your perspective on the situation.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm merely suggesting what I think is more probable.

And since when does popular opinion count as evidence for a fact, especially an opinion provided by a very concentrated and related group?

...and, yeah, the last Harry Potter really closed the series well...

Arguing with you is pointless, I quit.

It wasn't an argument until you got over-defensive, young lady. See where I get the idea that you're quite the pessimist?

You guys shut up and kiss already!

Seriously Lib, the guy turned Des off -emensly- and popular opinion of her friends is that they, in fact, would have been turned off as well.

Perhaps, if the guy had attempted to engage in a conversation about the merits of reading or not reading the books after already having seen the movies she would have been more interested, but she has not told us that is what he did, he simply said he didn't see a point. If it were me that would signal that the person was both lazy as well as uninterested in intelectual stimulation on a deeper level that pop entertainment.

You are making a whole hell of a lot of judgments about Melody based on her opinion of a person you do not know, for someone who seems to pride logic and objective fact you are giving off a huge stentch of subjective nonsense in this topic.

I only point it out because I happen to value objective reason myself.

My judgements of Des had been formed looong before this conversation, and this conversation has only deepened those judgements. I find my reasoning to be quite sound thus far. I love the objective, too, and my objective opinion is that people often miscommunicate their reasoning behind their opinions. My brother's terrible with words. He doesn't read much, and would probably answer the same as that guy, but he's not dumb enough to assume watching the movie and reading the book are the same thing. Me, like I said, would answer the same thing and probably in the same way, and I wouldn't understand right away why I should elaborate because... it's Harry Potter, honestly. I love reading, I liked the movies, but that doesn't mean I see any reason to read the books, and that particular fact certainly doesn't mean I'm lazy. It just means I don't care enough to read the books. I find that reading three thousand pages of a story I already know the majority of is rather wasteful if there's other literature I'd rather devote my time to, especially considering what I know of the story didn't impress me too much.

If Des had more of a reason to believe otherwise, then she could've kindly let me know. But instead, she accused me of the same thing, despite my explanation for my perspective. Sorry, but that's just not helping her case, and I felt I should give my opinion (notice I DO understand my theory is subjective). She kept giving me reason to think as I did in the way she behaved with me, so I decided to point that out as a response to her sarcasm.

The fact that you and others would respond the same way only makes me think my theory is stronger in the sense that people are more likely to assume stupidity/laziness than to assume disinterest.

All in all, I really don't like it when someone assumes I think my perspective is fact, despite the fact that I've already explained otherwise. It's what causes the hostility.

I understand Des might have gotten defensive because she thought I was insulting her intelligence by merely suggesting this new perspective (as weird as that may sound), but it's not intelligence I'm referring to. It's our natural inclination to assume the worst based on a lack of communication.

And by the way, there's nothing really subjective about what I'm saying. They're statements of possible facts, which don't really count as subjective (at least in my experience).

Lib, shut the fuck up.

This thread was going along just fine until decided to get all defensive and shit.

It's called a reply, subby. Is it really that difficult for you to skip over my comments if you find them to be of annoying, or do you pride yourself in feeding a discussion you would rather not be continued?

And aren't possibles fact the most interesting of them all?

A real question is whether it is worth it to continue along a line of conversation that is obviously seen as picking a fight with (by that person) someone who is emotionally invested in the subject (a date) and, even more, the sub subject behind it (the books) when one has no investment of any sort themselves.

I can see how you were giving an attempt at a rational observation, and a valid one in and of itself, but allowing it to sprinkle down into observations about the person you are speaking to themselves sort of devoids the point in the first place and does cause it to enter into that nasty side of subjective land.

I like you both quite a lot and it is sort of amusing to see two people just as hard headed as eachother, yet at opposite ends of the spectrum, get into the begining of a tissy with eachother.

As far as my own responses go "you and others would respond the same way" does not really say much about your theory at all. Perhaps it says your theory is wrong... you must either not pay much attention to me or you, yourself, assume things about me (or both) because it should be pretty clear that I strain to not assume about others. Or, when I do take interest enough to, I assume every possibility. I agree with the idea that people should not think their own perspective is fact.

My main point was just to ask why you were worried so much about whether Melody gave a guy a chance? Maybe you are just as bored with the conversations around here as I am, is all.

I digressed a lot, and I haven't said half of what I meant to and lots that just fell out. oh well.

Yes, possible facts are fun to play with.

Yeah, I guess I just continued because it didn't seem like she was understanding my point (considering it started off as more of a defense of my own views on the whole movie/book thing), as well as trying to pry more into someone's way of thinking. I didn't realize the possible emotional toll my point could possibly have. I guess it was a mistake to assume she responded sarcastically/defensively because she felt I was insulting her intelligence rather than because she felt I was criticizing a decision she made that was rather consequential on her end.

Again, yeah, I might have made it too personal. But in my defense, I was analyzing a situation she was a part of, and so my thoughts on her way of thinking were relevant. I think I made an effort to not make it offensive, though. Still, I guess not a lot of people like to be told they're pessimistic or presumptuous, despite how politely they're told.

When I said "you and others would respond the same way", I was referring to something you, yourself, stated: "If it were me that would signal that the person was both lazy as well as uninterested in intelectual stimulation on a deeper level that pop entertainment." I don't at all think you're the person to act on these signals (because I honestly DO understand you're not the type to assume about others), but it does indicate that you as well as others have them, despite not being the assuming type. This indicates a more pessimistic person is more likely to have them, and perhaps accept them, as some have stated that they would. That's why I would think it strengthens my point.

I'm really not worried about her decision. I just had the same opinion as the guy, and I wanted to explain that perspective. It just moved on to what was more likely to have went down on that date, because despite my explanation, she assumed the same things about me as she did that guy. Assumptions that I had just explained were false on my end.

By the way, you're awesome.

By the way, yes, I'm pretty bored with most of the conversations here.

I'm going to give this on more try. My issue with you is not that I didn't understand your point, but that you are assuming that the way you think is also the way this guy thinks. In the very beginning you said you didn't want to waste your time reading the books because you know the majority of the story and you would rather read other things. I understand the idea behind that approach, even if I don't agree with it. There is always so much more to a book than a movie. I've often read books after seeing the movie and found a whole world I would have missed if i had just moved on. Our difference of opinion here doesn't really matter much, it is what it is. You went on to assume you understood the mindset of the guy I went out with and that it must be impossible that he just thought it was pointless to read the books and must have the same way of thinking as you. You even said that I may have made a mistake in my reaction to him. Do you think that him saying, "I've seen the movies, why would I want to read the book?" was the entirety of the conversation? That he just said that and I said, "oh now, stop right there buddy, this date is over"? That's not exactly how it happened. We continued our conversation and it became clear to me that he had no desire to read Harry Potter or anything else, for that matter.

I have never liked you, but I have always tried to keep my mouth shut about it. I rarely respond to you directly and don't recall myself having been rude to you, but here you are making an argument where one isn't needed and then going on to insult me. If you think I assume the worst and am a pessimist, then you are missing a lot about me. You claim to know me well through my posts, but it's clear you don't really know much about me at all.

Excuse me? You seem to be quite off the mark on how I've been reacting. I merely suggested a possible scenario. I never, and I CAN'T stress this enough, said I was absolutely sure that my theory was right. From your complete inability to say that he admitted to you that he doesn't like reading, you prolonged this. Instead, you responded sarcastically and it seemed like you were intentionally trying to annoy me, and throughout the whole conversation, I NEVER insulted you, despite all of your sarcasm. To say you're a pessimist isn't an insult, at all. It's a direct observation. I see you as a pessimist for many reasons, and I don't think I'm wrong. Pepper was right in seeing that as a subjective view, because it entirely depends on how much of a pessimist I am. If you feel insulted, get over it. That was never my intention. In fact, I'm pretty sure I asked that you DON'T take it the wrong way, because it seems you're quite the sensitive person. Even then, your sensitivity shined through.

I thought the guy might have thought the same as me because I've been in that exact situation, and responded in the same way. I wouldn't have thought someone would consider me to be a complete ditz from that response alone. You first completely misunderstood my point of view, as if you never even read my first few posts, leading me to believe you to be quite presumptuous and without an ability to see a different perspective other than your own in this topic. Then you go on to completely avoid telling me that the guy just doesn't like reading, which would've told me right away that he only thinks a certain way due to inexperience, rather than stupidity/laziness (which I find to be a lot less probable). All you said was, "Well other people agree with me, so there!" Your difficulty with being direct with me is at fault.

I already knew you didn't like me. It really couldn't be more obvious. Yes, you've been pretty rude to me in the past. If you think you haven't, then... wow. Just wow. Do you think yourself to come off as a chipper individual here? Your passive aggression, your jumping on the hate bandwagon when it comes to newcomers, your single interest minded way of judging others, etc etc, it all boils down to someone I wouldn't like very much. But I like to think I can avoid those kinds of judgements, because people are the way they are for a reason, and I'd rather explore those reasons than label you as someone I don't like, and should avoid entirely.

I don't know how to end this post. This one lacked a lot more structure than my other ones.

She probably wasn't too into the guy to begin with. If she really liked the guy, I doubt that off-the-cuff remark would have resounded so negatively. But then again, maybe she feels extremely strongly about reading books before you see the movies.

Either way, I keep on seeing new posts in THE MOVIE thread and hoping that my question about Snape's memory will be answered. Again, I don't know why this is bothering me so much. And I probably should plop down the $10 to see the movie again... but I'd hate to do that when I know that I will buy the blu-ray this December.

That being said, I was surprised to see Kelly Macdonald as the Grey Lady.

Hart getting hit with the killing curse was not a part of snapes memory in the book.

Your question confused me a little, I don't remember the memory scene in the movie that well, but in the book Voldemort killed Harry's mother and her love protected Harry when Voldemort then cast the killing curse on him. I'm not sure if this shows up as a memory ofnHarry's at some point or not, but I do remember seeing it somewhere in the movie. Was it in Snape's memory scene? That wouldn't make a lot of sense since Snape wasn't there.

In the last movie, I could have sworn that Voldemort was destroyed after trying to kill Lily. I think that I might have confused this because I seem to be the only one that caught that. I know it's semantics but, to me, it seems to be a major part of the whole series.

Again, I could be mistaken. I should just go and watch the movie again but...

Snape is my favy character so I quite enjoyed all the Snape action the movie offered although *SPOILER ALERT*

his death was very brutal. I thought overall it was a good film and I am still coming to terms with my post-Harry depression.