The Matrix: Reloaded **Spoilers**

i liked the ending...i like that they acknowledge that it is a trilogy and don't try to tie everything up in a neat little bow for you...of course they want you to go see the next one.

and the fights, computer generated or not...were awesome.

i agree with all the "sex"...although there was only one sex scene, they put a lot of emphasis this time on love, especially the love between trinity and neo...but i don't really mind that...perhaps because i am a girl...

i thought the story was great...i was worried that they were just going to show neo kicking everyone's ass over and over again because he is "the one" and cannot be stopped...and while that did happen to an extent, they did a great job of complicating the plot in a thoughtful way.

and the keymaker was sooooooooooooo cute! i think all the girls in the theater i was in let out a big "awwwww" when he died...(i'm allowed to say that, right? the thread says there are spoilers)

anyway, i was pleased and cannot wait for the next one.

I felt like I was watching a video game rather than a film most of the time. It's all very well done of course, but gratuitous. Example: I thought the fight between Neo and the many Agent Smiths was stupid. 90% of it was CGI; I'm sitting there watching (essentially) a cartoon and I don't care. It started out well, but then it just goes on, and on, and ON...and then he effects his Matrix power and flies away when, :::bold type/underline/italics::: he could have done that to begin with. Gratuitous. Remember the "fight" between Indy and the swordsman in Raiders of the Lost Ark?

Now, contrary to that, the fight with the medieval weapons on the marble staircase was (I thought) incredible. You can actually see them scraping and it doesn't go on for twenty minutes. There's the usual whooshing and clanging and whatnot, but it looked believable (for a something taking place in the Matrix anyway). I guess I'm old fashioned, but when there's a fight in a movie, I like to see actual "people" fighting.

I also liked the car chase -up to a point. Again, this thing goes on and on and on some more...though I do have a soft spot for seeing cars being destroyed in road accidents in various ways.

My favorite scene was when he meets the architect. It reminded me of the MCP from "Tron" -one of this movie's inspirations.

And then more fx/fighting and more fx/fighting still. And then even more. It's almost masturbatory. But...I'm glad I saw it. It's a very well done movie, just keep in mind it's also very overcooked, overblown, overeverything.

andy

P.S. I hate hate hate it when people wear sunglasses indoors. Ugh...

the cgi got a tad annoying and the music was sometimes low sounding quality but i was actyually pleasantly surprised, great plot etc etc loved it kickass, yes it is indeed over the top but that doesnt bother me too much.

Haven't seen it yet, going to watch it tomorrow night, but just a thought of mine from what I've been hearing. Seems to me that its been "overblown" with cgi and all that, but from what I understand, the third installment will mostly take place in the "real" world and therefore; no tricks, no freakishly awesome kung fu moves, and no designer sunglasses indoors. So maybe the Wachowski's have been getting the cgi bug off of their backs for this movie while the next installment might have less effects. Just a thought. Can't wait to fuckin see it!

I saw it and, honestly, I don't think they could have done better, atleast not realistically. With this movie they HAD to have superb over the top special effects, a well thought out and still sufficiently twisty plotline, and every other thing that the first had. And they pulled it off pretty well. The 'Burlyman' fight scene, with the countless Agent Smiths was amazing (Even moreso when you consider that all of the Smiths had to be edited to look like him), and same goes for the highway scene. I won't say it was the best movie I've seen in so and so, because that wasn't what I was expecting it to be. It's a sequel to Matrix, which was an intriguing action movie with a brain, and in that sense it is nowhere within the vicinity of a letdown.

Though I will say that "Rave" scene was a little bit comical.

Just a little.

The first time in my life I ever fell asleep during a movie. I saw it this morning at 11. I had a bad feeling it wasn't going to be very good when it took 20 minutes for Trinity and Smith to fall out of a window.

The CGI could've been okay in the fight scenes...it's just the music was to upbeat (reminded me of the 90's Batman movies or something like that...for kids or whatever). Even though I've never seen it, the fight scenes reminded me of something that would come out of West Side Story. That kind of cheesy, "I'm gunna getcha!" snapping fingers kinda thing.

That and the fights looked like dancing...the choreography has to be there, but it doesn't have to be that obvious.

I did like the two white-hair guys though, and the scene where the woman goes behind her husbands back to get the keymaker and all that.

Too many of the scenes were drawn out...the falling scene, fight scenes, and the rave thing. so many of the scenes felt like they were going nowhere, and should've ended 10 minutes ago, that really shouldn't happen more than once in a movie.

News from the underground, The next Matrix will have a number of fight scenes, within the matrix. The idea for them being back inside is that the matrix is dying (Don't know yet what they need to go back in for), and so, that shall make for an interesting watch.

Suffice to say though, it will not be a plain jane only real life movie. Lots of the nice super sexy fight scenes.

not just speaking of the sex scene with neo and trinity, but the grinding in the rave.... the piece of cake that guy sent a chick and she got super horny .... Neo had to kiss a chick to get to the key master!?? sigh...

they didn't come close to matching the first one, i guess there just wasn't that WOW factor... it was like yeah show me something new..

And i completely agree that way too many of the sceens were drawn out with little or no point/plot movement. Trinity falling scene was ridiculous. (The fight scene with the swords did kick ass)

The first fight scene with all of the Agent Smiths was useless... Why did it go on for soo long and then neo just flys away? sigh.

DUN DUN DUN, the revelatory music at the end was insulting, and I think that overall the story was great, but executed poorly. It should have just been called Mr Smith's Big Adventure. I'd have liked it a lot better then.

i saw it this afternoon..i think i did expected too much, but i also think it was a great film. the cgi was too obvious in the agent smith fight, and it went on for too long.. i also felt the trinity fall at the beginning was also too long. i noticed that a cut should have been made way earlier, and an audience member should not notice that we are at a moment for too long.. they needed to recognize that it was too much and move on. they also had a little too much fun with the music.. it was too noticeably epic movie theme music.. it took away from some of the scenes.
my biggest problem with the movie, is that i didnt feel like we ever moved out of act 1. and i know its the middle segment, but it always felt like the beginning 15 minutes of a movie.. this new character, this new situation, everything was going, going, going. it didnt have that feeling of settling down and looking at what was happening and dealing with it. it just had a constant feeling of presenting character or problem on too much of a continuous basis..and nothing was really solved, because it wasnt explained sufficiently in the first place..so that feeling of resolution was lost throughout. it just climbed and climbed and climbed, then boom; ended. and i had the feeling of 'wtf?'.. the ending pissed me off so much..i am okay now, but i wanted to know what was going to happen, as so many things were left unsolved and unexplained. i do realize that they dont have to cater to my dumb audience needs, but they should have gave it more of a resolution. without that little bow at the end, it seems as if the last two hours was pointless escalation to a climax that drops into nothingness. i understand that its a trilogy, but they should still be able to be taken as singular movies. each segment has a problem, and should have a resolution, then the three together should have a large problem with a large resolution...there needs to be a mini-resolution to this film, and a big one at the end of the trilogy.
i have to say, though..that i loved the movie. it had some great action scenes, was again visually breathtaking save a few cgi snafoos, and was almost as intelligently written as the first one.. i couldnt watch this movie as many times as i could the first, but i enjoyed it nonetheless.
the car chase was great, and weirdly enough, entertaining throughout. it was rather long, but it never got boring or tired..it built and occured nicely. i enjoyed the wardrobe in this film almost more than i did in the first.. the creator scene was awesome..i loved every moment of his monologues, and i thought it was filmed beautifully. the screens, whether constantly changing or the same were a beautiful background. smith made me laugh more than in the first, and i enjoyed his evilness a bit more in this one.. the sex scene was beautifully framed, and really nicely edited. i thought it was great, and added a wonderful human aspect to the film. zion was almost too dramatic, but that was expected. i thought they concentrated on the prettiness of neo a lot more in this film as well. i also had the feeling that it was a sunglasses commercial everytime they ripped them off and put them off. and as much as they forgot to concentrate on them more, those twins were great. the white dreds were just a party, and they were lovely 'why wont you die' villans.. and the keymaker was soso adorable..i was laughing everytime he trotted about the screen.. he was a lovely character, even if he didnt necessarily do all that much.
so, it could have been better, but it was great nonetheless. fine holiday fun.

blah blah blah blah BLAH blah blah.

we just saw a movie where we watched people falling 65 stories in slow motion, where we saw one person fight off dozens of enemies singlehandedly, where we saw a person fly perhaps more realistically than has ever been seen on screen, where many 3-D film technologies that have never before been brought to wide audiences were used to make a visually stunning, highly conceptual film, and we're *complaining* because there was *too much* CGI?

the beauty of the matrix--of any movie--is seeing things which are extraordinary and unrealistic. if you want simple, unadorned human drama, go see a play. just because the matrix has special effects doesn't make it not respectable.

when i went to see the movie, after it was over i found myself clutching the arms of my theater chair. i was exhilarated. i was incredibly entertained. what else is a movie for? and then IMMEDIATELY, everyone around me, my friends included, began panning the movie, picking out its tiny flaws, picking out details, whining about CGI, etc. we couldn't even sit back and think about the movie itself for even five seconds. and now it continues on this thread.

i mean, wtf? you think there wasn't a lot of cgi in fight club? you think those fights were real? *any* movie uses special effects, and more and more of them as time goes on. should we all be sitting around watching grainy foreign films? what's wrong with simply enjoying a movie? valuing it for what's right about it rather than tearing down whatever flaws it has? come on. are most of us going to say that this movie *sucked*? no. so why pick on it like this?

I'll just cut and paste my comments from another board:

The movies was bomb as hell! Seriously, it was astounding. Although I cannot classify it as best movie ever for one reason really. Fight Club is still number one for the very same reason. I view The Matrix, same as Fight Club, as a piece of art. Now, shameless advertisements and endorsements are fine, and art to be expected. However, where Fight Club differs from The Matrix is in the soundtrack. With the Matrix, it's all about "Who has the most money and is signed to our label that we can put on the soundtrack to sell more copies?"

I mean a great piece of art, then they choose piece of shit music that offers nothing to it. Linkin Park, Dave Matthews, Rob Zombie? What the fuck does this have to do with the Matrix? I see WHY they use Rage Against The Machine given their name, but even they have nothing to do with the fucking movie. Their music doesn't increase the artistic value of it, if anything it detracts from it. Most of the bands on the soundtrack won't even be around in the next couple of years, so when you watch this movie 10 years down the line the soundtrack will seem hokey as hell. Also, given the setting of the film (the future undetermined) the music is even LESS relevant (as if that were possible). Where Fight Club differs is that it had a completely original score done for the film, which also retails as the soundtrack. The music that they chose for the film is all from established artists who's impact goes beyond mere record sales. The Pixies, Tom Waits, artists who stood the test of time and will forever be remembered for what they did musically, not financially.

There is my rant. Aside from that, the music during the fight scene between Agent Smiths and Neo was TERRIBLE. It totally brought the scene down IMO. They needed a more driving and off kilter drum beat, the 1/3 snare action was cheesy as all hell, and the whole sound of the music had MIDI written all over it.

In closing, great movie, enormous and breathtaking action sequences, a great plot, terrible music.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
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the beauty of the matrix--of any movie--is seeing things which are extraordinary and unrealistic. if you want simple, unadorned human drama, go see a play. just because the matrix has special effects doesn't make it not respectable.
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THANK you kitty. Jesus, im glad someone said this.

Ive heard that all day at school "Did you see Neo's face during the agent Smith Fight? IT was a computer!" So fucking what? it was cool anyway.

No.. i completely disagree. I don't care how "pretty" the movie looked... i don't care what technologies were used.. the point is that the technologies were used in the wrong way. I mean just to show off that you can make a fight seen completely in cgi doesn't mean you should do it, especially if it doesn't add anything to the film. Watching someone fall 65 stories while unloading hundreds of bullets is pleasing to the eye for about 10 seconds, then it goes on for about 5mins and its just lame.. it doesn't matter if it was pretty.

if i want to see cool 3d animations i'll go watch animated shorts on tech-tv's Eye Drops. i was hoping for a plot that would have been better developed than it was, or maybe put together much better.

i don't want to hear anything else about the ending! seriously! get over it! it's a trilogy and for the end you only have to wait 2 MONTHS!!!! shut the fuck up!

also, stop bitching about the cgi for christ's sake. the first one had tons of cgi too, and everyone loooooooooooves that one. people just need something to bitch about, especially since they've created the original to be something much more than it is, therefore making the expectations for the sequel unattainable.

and you know you are going to see it at least 2 more times, so get over it.

Actually, most of the big fight WAS actually real; just certain moments were cgi, and of course Smith's face. Much, much, much better that most early cgi character work that used to look like Roger Rabbit or some crap. (monster in the Relic one example).

And, there were many moments in LOTR that had only cg characters in it, and I saw/heard no complaints. In fact I never really noticed until seeing the DVD explanations.

Anyway, as will all sci-fi/fantasy type deals, it isn't made to be nitpicked and accurate to the n'th degree. If you want to do that, watch Fight Club again, and debate and pick that apart. Matrix is like chocolate to a dog: they eat and love it, but too much'll kill them. Or something like that.

keanu is just plain scary all the time.

I guess I’m just old-fashioned…when I see a fight in a movie, I like to see actual human beings fighting, rather than people rendered by a computer. My personal take on the use of special effects is thus: it’s a tool used to help tell a story, not replace it. Take the fight in the city park –to me it looked as if Reeves and Weaving weren’t even needed on the set half the time. I understand that it’s a cop-out, because “it’s the matrix” and anything’s possible (that’s the genius of Wachowskis’ world; it’s one big video game).

The action film genre works the same way crack-cocaine does. It’s a continuing strife to outrun, outgun, out-do the last big thing. Imagine someone gives you a bag of M&Ms and says “eat all of these…” You could eat it, no problem. Then four years later he gives you a trash bag full of M&Ms and says “eat all of these…” That’s kind of how I feel about “Reloaded.”

I enjoyed the movie, I’m just not crazy about it.

andy

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by orange jews [/i]
[B]I guess I’m just old-fashioned…when I see a fight in a movie, I like to see actual human beings fighting, rather than people rendered by a computer. My personal take on the use of special effects is thus: it’s a tool used to help tell a story, not replace it. Take the fight in the city park –to me it looked as if Reeves and Weaving weren’t even needed on the set half the time. I understand that it’s a cop-out, because “it’s the matrix” and anything’s possible (that’s the genius of Wachowskis’ world; it’s one big video game).

The action film genre works the same way crack-cocaine does. It’s a continuing strife to outrun, outgun, out-do the last big thing. Imagine someone gives you a bag of M&Ms and says “eat all of these…” You could eat it, no problem. Then four years later he gives you a trash bag full of M&Ms and says “eat all of these…” That’s kind of how I feel about “Reloaded.”

I enjoyed the movie, I’m just not crazy about it.

andy [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, except for the fight was real and Reeves had to train for 8 months just to pull it off successfully. Christ you people don't even shut up? Everyone is so focused on how unrealistic it is that they don't actually bother to embrace how realistic it is. My complaint is that for being the One, Neo didn't do ENOUGH crazy shit. It should be like Dragonball Z in live action. He should be knocking mother fuckers up in the air, then all of a sudden teleporting and catching them and beating the shit out of them, then whipping them to the ground where he would teleport and have them land on his knee. That would be fucking cooler.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by doctor_rufus [/i]
[B]And, there were many moments in LOTR that had only cg characters in it, and I saw/heard no complaints. In fact I never really noticed until seeing the DVD explanations.

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Yeah well the point is you didn't notice it in LoTR and in the Matrix you did. I'm not nitpicking details... almost THE ENTIRE MOVIE was flawed with corny lines and bad cgi... "Sweet dreams zion" that was probably my favorite line. The first installment of the Matrix was tons better, and wasn't filled with flaws which is why this one let me down.. i was hoping for a movie with little flaws, and one that establishes a point, not one that leads us waiting for the next installment just to see how the story ends... whatever...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Chester383 [/i]
[B]Yeah well the point is you didn't notice it in LoTR and in the Matrix you did. I'm not nitpicking details... almost THE ENTIRE MOVIE was flawed with corny lines and bad cgi... "Sweet dreams zion" that was probably my favorite line. The first installment of the Matrix was tons better, and wasn't filled with flaws which is why this one let me down.. i was hoping for a movie with little flaws, and one that establishes a point, not one that leads us waiting for the next installment just to see how the story ends... whatever... [/B][/QUOTE]

It's a trilogy. If you're not planning on seeing the next one, why'd you even bother with the first two?

lol... true. every trilogy acomplishes something in each movie... THIS ONE DID NOTHING!!! all it did was split a 5 hour movie into two parts...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Chester383 [/i]
[B]No.. i completely disagree. I don't care how "pretty" the movie looked... i don't care what technologies were used.. the point is that the technologies were used in the wrong way. I mean just to show off that you can make a fight seen completely in cgi doesn't mean you should do it, especially if it doesn't add anything to the film. Watching someone fall 65 stories while unloading hundreds of bullets is pleasing to the eye for about 10 seconds, then it goes on for about 5mins and its just lame.. it doesn't matter if it was pretty.

if i want to see cool 3d animations i'll go watch animated shorts on tech-tv's Eye Drops. i was hoping for a plot that would have been better developed than it was, or maybe put together much better. [/B][/QUOTE]

WTF!! you went to see this movie nd honestly thought there wasnt going to be much CGI? seroiusly tho keanu reeves can fly that wasnt an effect and what do you want to acctually have hi fight off 100 of the SAME GUYS! seroiulsly if you are going to see a movie like the matrix and bitch and moan about the CGI DONT SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE!

lol... i'm not against cgi.. chill

The movie was fucking amazing. End of story.

To anyone who think this movie was worse than the first: *flips the bird to you just like Neo to The Architect in one of the screens*

I'm torn. I'd like to whine, and bitch, and complain... but I can't think of a way to do it.

I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it. Nothing made me cringe, but nothing made me gape.

Actually, what I liked most was the African Tribal music that turned techno Damnit I was grinning then.

I'm left with a sense of ... well... emptiness, having seen it. The stuff from the Oracle explaining ghosts, vampires, angels, visions, etc, was awesome. Seriously awesome. I think my major disappointment was that they touched on concepts that rocked serious ass and then just ignored them from then on. So yeah... fights were cool... CGI was decent in places, brilliant in places, and fucking horrible in one or two places (notibly the falling-from-the-window scene at the start and near the end... people actually laughed in the cinema when they saw it)... characters had flare and style and looked good...

... but ... ugh ... don't taunt me with things that sound like half-finished conversations! I'm going to have to re-watch it a few times to make head or tale of that huge bout of weird exposition from The Colonel...erm... sorry... The Architect.

I tell you what though... I'll never be able to watch The Matrix again without laughing my pants off at Neo's dramatic lines at the end of the film. I'll be able to damn near HEAR the machines laughing at the arrogant snot thinking that he was actually something special.

The Architect, in my opinion, is a blatant liar.

We'll see in Revolutions.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by leonardshelby [/i]
[B]The Architect, in my opinion, is a blatant liar.

We'll see in Revolutions. [/B][/QUOTE]

Of course he is, he created an entire system predicated upon a lie to control the humans. Everything he says is just another way to put us in our place.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by glamhoth [/i]
[B]the cgi got a tad annoying and the music was sometimes low sounding quality but i was actyually pleasantly surprised, great plot etc etc loved it kickass, yes it is indeed over the top but that doesnt bother me too much. [/B][/QUOTE]

The low-quality sound would be your theater's problem. If you complain maybe you could have it fixed.

whew. i'm glad more people came on to defend this movie... i was scared i was going to be alone like neo with the agent smith clones.

i'm going to be writing out a more detailed analysis of all the things i've noticed about the movie on my book blog. i'll post a link to it here later.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by insomnomaniac [/i]
[B]whew. i'm glad more people came on to defend this movie... i was scared i was going to be alone like neo with the agent smith clones.

i'm going to be writing out a more detailed analysis of all the things i've noticed about the movie on my book blog. i'll post a link to it here later. [/B][/QUOTE]

Did you notice the graffiti when he meets the Oracle?

I have two questions on the film:

Who was that kid Neo saved?
Was not Agent Smith dead?

Overall, I thought it was good.

Some scenes were drawn out, most notably the Trinity falling scene.

The whole emphasis on love thing - well, I'm a sucker for that shit, so I liked it.

I really like Morpheus. I think my favorite part of the movie was when Trinity goes to get into the car with the keymaker and Morpheus stays back to fight the Twins, even if it did only last for about 5 seconds. It was just bad ass. Cos you know, he's not "The One", but he's still totally hardcore. I like that. A lot. Mouse shouldn't have died in the first one. He was awesome. Him and Morpheus. Best characters of this whole Matrix deal. Anyhow..

My biggest complaint was how slow the fight scenes are. It's so obviously choreographed, and okay.. I kind of like how it looks like a dance, that stuff does it for me, I like graceful yet lethal. It's wonderful. However, it was -too- choreographed AND it was slow... Even without the slow motion. Too much slow-mo and the non slow-mo was just slow-moving. I don't know. That's what I liked about Equilibrium so much - it was fucking [i]fast[/i]. I like that. I mean, it was neat, seeing everything happening and 'wow he's so bad ass' okay that's cool, but there's no excitement. I need speed. I need it to be hard to follow, I need a little bit left to my imagination. That makes it exciting. I mean, it was still cool, just, not too exciting.

So at the end of the movie I was thinking "okay, good, cool movie", but not exactly edge-of-your-seat-thrilling-action type deal. Just cos, all the action is slow-mo or just plain slow. Most of it. The sword scene was great. It was a lot faster moving, it seemed, and of course, swords and such are just cool.

As far as the ending - meh, didn't bother me at all. I don't see how anyone was pissed off. That kinda stuff never bothers me, I'm just thinking "okay cool movie, I'll see the rest later.. no big deal."

I thought it was a good flick. Yeah, the flying-in-the-air fight scenes and "bullet time" stuff wasn't new, but I think they found some new ways to use it. There was so much happening in those scenes that it was hard to take it all in at once. I think further DVD reviewing will get rid of some negative reviews. This movie is made for the big screen, plus made for DVD (i.e. repeated overanalyzation, like I do with "Brazil").
Did anyone notice Cornell West on the Council? His name was even 'Councillor West'! That rocked!

I've spent like an hour and a half combing Matrix 2 message boards for answers, so I'll take it upon myself to answer these.

The kid that neo saved was a reference to an episode of Animatrix. I don't know which one, but it was something about the kid finding out about the matrix, killing himself, coming out of the matrix. Not sure. Either which way, it's trivial, but explained fully in animatrix.

And Agent Smith was not dead. When Neo jumped into him, part of Neo merged with Agent Smith for a moment, and from that moment, Agent Smith kept a connection to Neo. That connection specifically made him rebel (He had wanted to previously, as alluded to with the scene where he removes his earpiece, which is a pretty stout act of rebellion anyhow, and gives the "I hate this place. This, zoo." etcetera speech.), and it also provided him the ability to clone himself.
He was supposed to die, but as mentioned in Matrix 2, when programs die, they're all supposed to go into queue for deletion. The conciousness that Neo gave Smith helped Smith decide not to, which, yes, it is a decision, but it doesn't seem like one to programs which have been written to accept their imminent deletion.

Also, I'll say right now that the entire intro/trinity falling out scene doesn't seem drawn out to me, but ONLY in the context that it was a dream. It makes sense to me now if I think of it as a sort of falling dream, where every second is drawn out for an eternity as Neo helplessly watches Trinity fall to her death (Her death was pretty much guaranteed since she was falling from so high, anyways.)

I will admit that they didn't enforce those opening scenes enough as dreams, so they come off sort of gratuitous, otherwise.

An' Ciao.

I think the biggest problem with Matrix 2 is that so much is riding on it, so that scenes that people would have otherwise accepted, are now called idiotic.

Example, I've seen many people ask why The "Burly" fight scene with the countless Smiths even took place, since Neo could have just ran. And it's sort of an interesting question, for half of a second. But if you actually think, than you realize it's obvious that Neo, who thought he had killed Smith, would want to atleast find out why the hell he's alive, and probably also attempt to kill him again, since he was the predominant thorn in his side in Matrix 1. Then, after the fight started, it was impossible for Neo to fly because it takes about 1 1/2 to 2 seconds to take off, and he had nowhere near that amount of time free due to the 80 Smiths going apeshit on him.

Which is to say, the movie was pretty well made, but ALOT of things aren't explained at a 4th grade level, and as such goes straight over the head of someone who is looking for something to hate.

And that, is why I kick in the shins any person who dislikes Matrix 2.

[QUOTE]Did you notice the graffiti when he meets the Oracle?[/QUOTE]

no...please elaborate.

Epo - yeah, I had no beefs with the Agent fight. I thought it was a little corny at times, but that doesn't really bother me. Like I said, my main complaint was the action just felt slow, even when it wasn't slow-mo. But oh well.

Also - Neo's trench coat. Fucking wow. I want.

Seriously.

That brother got holy.

Fitting, I suppose.

it was, indeed, a delicious-looking garment. i actually found myself strangely and somewhat ashamedly attracted to keanu in this movie. feel free to stone me now.

Honestly, he seems to be getting better. Like with that kid, he actually seemed to have a bit of a personality right there. Or maybe it was just me.

And yeah, that coat... god damn, I liked it. I wants.... So bad. I wonder if I can find a cheap rip off somewhere. Would be nice.

Just to rub it in,

[IMG]http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0234215/poster_keanu_full.jpg[/IMG]

mmmeow.

i think his acting DID get better. i loved the part with persephone where she's telling him, "you have to make me really believe i'm her [trinity]" and he kinda gulps and goes "...all right." hilarious.

that review posted earlier said something along the lines of, he has obviously been taking acting lessons in addition to his martial-arts training. definitely i think that's true.

Really?

Well, I guess the fact that I didn't stop to notice any bad acting meant he was doing his job... and therefore acting. So perhaps that's true

i mean there was definitely no moment like the "whoah." in the first movie. he definitely did a lot better with his delivery. i mean, in the first movie, when he's like, "i know kung fu." seriously. it was like he was still his character from bill and ted. he did a lot better job this time.

although i could have done without the line, "i just love you too goddamn much." that was my least favorite part of the entire movie. i don't care if he's taking acting lessons from laurence olivier, you don't give a line like that to keanu reeves, for christ's sake.

Eponymous' posts were excellent and explain a lot of things that I was going to address (like the Agent Smith being dead thing). Anyway, about the music being low quality, it was. It's not the theaters fault, as I saw it at a Dolby Digital enable theater and it sounded like shit. Not only was it very cheesy and not fitting (the music in the ultra Smith fight was so bad...I mean snare on 1 and 3 is as boring as it gets), but like I said earlier, it reeks of MIDI.

It's not that they used CGI that bothered me...it just wasn't done very well...you shouldn't be able to tell, it shouldn't stick out as much, you should be so engrossed in the story you see Neo fly in the air and not have to think, oh that can't happen.

The new Hulk movie is a good example of this...don't use CGI when it isn't needed...I think he looks ridiculous. They could've done so well with makeup and small special effects. Entire CGI characters do bother me though, they just don't move right.

[QUOTE]It's not that they used CGI that bothered me...it just wasn't done very well...you shouldn't be able to tell, it shouldn't stick out as much, you should be so engrossed in the story you see Neo fly in the air and not have to think, oh that can't happen. [/QUOTE]

umm...actually i was that engrossed in the story. who knows. maybe i'm just an idiot.

*wonders if he's an idiot as well*

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Eponymous [/i]
[B]*wonders if he's an idiot as well* [/B][/QUOTE]