Sleepy Hollow

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knoxville
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what a great film, its just so amazingly good. i think its one of tim burton's greatest.
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not bad. i saw it in the theater. it was good there, but on home viewing, it's not as good. a lot of small detail in the movie that makes it best viewed in a cinema.
tim burton best- Nightmare Before Christmas

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i rememebr waiting so long to see the movie. it was one of the ones where i just went crazy until i saw it.
Nightmare Before Christmas is my second fav time burton movie. the only one i cant stand (even tho it was pretty good i guess) was planet of the apes

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'Edward Scissorhands' is probably my favirote of all his movies, but 'Mars Attacks', 'The NIghtmare before Christmas', 'Ed Wood' and 'Sleepy Hollow' all come in a very close tied-second.

His two Batman films rule as well, much better than the neon crap Schumacher provided us with.

I'm interested to see what he does with 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' remake ([url]http://us.imdb.com/Title?0367594[/url]). Hopefully he doesn't do another 'Planet of the Apes' on this classic.

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Batman 1 and 2 are the best comic-to-film movies [size=4][b]EVER[/b][/size]

i hate charlie and the chocolate place (those lil fucking oomper loompers scared the crap outta me, as a kid and as a teen) but im itnerested to see what he does with it. should be fairly interesting. is manson still set to be mr.wonka, i heard something about eminem being him; but that just sucks and shouldnt (and hopefully wont) happen

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i too heard the rumour about manson as wonka, but there has been no confirmation. It would be interesting if he was and Burton gave the movie a gothic feel (as in, Ed Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, pretty much all his movies). That would make it a good remake I thinks.

I loved the first Willy Wonka, but I still can't watch the boat ride and that creepy song that Wonka sings without chills running up my back.

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yeah, a good gothic feel would be good. i could so see manson pulling off the the wonkaness successfully

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talking about gothic remakes, this is sorta off-topic but have you checked out Todd McFarlane's Wizard of Oz collection. In it, he takes characters from the Wizard of Oz and gives them his own twisted interpretation. Check them out here

[url]http://www.spawn.com/toys/series.aspx?division=toys&category=horror&series=monsters2[/url]

Mega-Cool work, i'd love to see a gothic remake of 'The Wizard of Oz' using these designs. McFarlane rocks!

sorry for getting off topic.

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not a prob dude, some of them are fuckig coool!!!! and ill admit it, the dorthy one looks friggin sexy, for plastic that is. the lion looks the sickest

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yeah that dorothy does have a good rack, however the munchkins with her are about the creepeist thing i've seen this year. My personal favirote is the Tin Woodman, sick design and if you look carefully, you can make out his skinless human body underneath his armour ... totally creepy.

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shit, i havnt looked at these for a hwile, im gonna take another look

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Sleepy Hollow was probably the weakest of Burton's films. In my opinion, and all that...

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Sleepy Hollow - visually compelling, theatrically stupifying. Loved it, hated it. Ed Scissorhands was his best besides Ed Wood.

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Penishands looks a whole lot like Jack White.

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I have... um... nothing to add here...

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by peppermd [/i]
[B]Penishands looks a whole lot like Jack White.[/B][/QUOTE]

Off De Stijl album...

Jack White in Edward Penishands... subliminal remix version...

Jack White; yeah youre pretty good looking for a girl [you filthy whore]
but your back [door] is so broken
and this feelings still gonna linger on [like the smell of your cunt]
until the year 2525 now [the number of guys you've banged]

Yeah youre pretty good looking for a girl [fake tits and all]
your eyes are wide open [and burning from the spoo]
and your thoughts have been stolen by the boys [just like your innocence]
who took you out and bought you everything you
want now [before they defiled every orifice]

Yeah youre pretty good looking [for a slut]
oh yeah
youre pretty good looking [for a whore]
yes youre pretty good looking [for a used up twat]
oh yeah
for a girl [not that I'm bi]

Lots of people in this world [but none who haven't fucked you]
but I want to be your boy [cause I need a fucked up mom]
to me that thought is sounding so absurd [just like that time in the german sheitze film you ate a turd]
and I dont wanna be your toy [cause I don't run on batteries]
cause youre pretty good looking for a girl [if by good looking you mean nasty hoe-bag]
my futures wide open [like your legs]
but this feelings still gonna linger on like that funk coming from your ass]
until I know everything I need to know now [which is why am I wasting time on a broken-down filly like you]

Yeah youre pretty good looking [for a bitch]
oh yeah
youre pretty good looking [for a semen vat]
yes youre pretty good looking [for a bodily fluid disposal unit]
oh yeah
for a girl [I may look gay and have a high voice but Jack's no fag]

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not at all

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[size=4]uh-huh[/size] hes twisted enough to pull it off, but not with his usual makeup attire and teeth and eyes and what not

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if you have a look see at AICN today they ran a scoop on some concept drawings from Wonka. They were saying that the role now is between Christopher Walken and Michael Keaton, both of whom I think would suck at being Wonka (no offense to Walken intended, but it's just not the right role for him).

here's the article here, and check out the concept drawings as well:

[url]http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=15620[/url]

By the way, the writer of the article thinks that Crispin Glover would be great for the role, and while I personally think that Manson would be perfect, I can see Glover being great as well.

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I'm sorry, but why does everyone call Nightmare a "Tim Burton" film. Sure, he came up with the idea and produced it, but he didn't write nor did he direct.

So it's not [i]really[/i] a Tim Burton movie...

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by leonardshelby [/i]
[B] I'm sorry, but why does everyone call Nightmare a "Tim Burton" film. Sure, he came up with the idea and produced it, but he didn't write nor did he direct.

So it's not [i]really[/i] a Tim Burton movie... [/B][/QUOTE]

oh my god, leonardshebly, you just blew my mind.

I always thought that Tim Burton directed 'A Nightmare Before Christmas' and today, thanks to you, I found out that he didn't. This is upsetting and who the hell is this Henry Selick (wait, i just looked at imdb and Henry Selick is the guy that gave us that wonderful film "Monkeybone")

I always assumed that Tim Burton directed it because the cover title says "Tim Burton's [i]A Nightmare Before Christmas[/i]" and now that dream is gone.

Anyway, this would make an interesting case for anybody studying film auteurship, as like leonardshelby said, Tim Burton neither directed nor wrote the screenplay, but he is listed as the [I]auteur[/I] of the film in the title.

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Ah, it was bound to happen. You would of found out one way or another.

Yeah, I was dissappointed, too. But who cares. It's still awesome.

And it [i]was[/i] his idea.

But then again, you don't see them calling it Quentin Tarantino and Roger Avary's Pulp Fiction, do you?

It's always the famous one who gets the credit.

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oh yeah, still an awesome film, nobody can take that away from it.

But now i'm just a little skeptical to call it a 'Tim Burton' film as I usually see the director as the 'owner' of the film, which is why I usually see Pulp Fiction as a Quentin Tarantino film (on the subject of Pulp Fiction, I once heard a rumour that Tarantino payed a lot of money to Avary so that he could be billed as the sole 'screenwriter' for Pulp Fiction and Avary just as a 'Story' credit - is this true? is this the reason there seems to be 'bad blood' between the two?)

Anyway, film auteurship is a huge debate in film teaching - for example, how do you look at the movie [i]Fight Club[/i]? do you see it more as [i]Chuck Palahniuk's[/i] Fight Club or do you look at it as [i]David Fincher's[/i] interpretation of Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club?

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it wasnt cause he was famopus. tim burton got credit cause the movie is based on a poem he wrote (which subsequentially means characters he created)

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Well, I don't see Jaws 3 being called Steven Spielberg's Jaws 3, or T3 being called James Cameron's T3, or A.I. being called Stanley Kubrick's A.I.

I mean, they all came up with either the character or the idea, so why aren't they named as the auteur if it's how you say, Knox?

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not too sure, could be yeah cause he's famous, or maybe outta respect. i know if chuck ever picked me outta millions to make choke, i would bill it as Chuck Palahniuk's Choke, just outta respect for the guy cause he did indeed come up with the characters and story etc etc

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Yeah, but all the promotion is going to have "Chuck Palahniuk, author of Fight Club!"

I don't know, but I hate when they do that.