musicians whoring themselves out

one word.

Jewel.

She used to wonder who will save your soul. She used to pull on her pj's and hop into bed, she used to live in a van and write poetry about...nights without armor or something. Get it? It has double meanings.

Then she did that song and video that were too accurate, too obviously the result of hard work, to be a parody.

somewhere like that.

And it wasn't always about being filthy fucking rich, just playing some music.

Jewel is a GODDESS, only because she inspired what is, in my humble (and 110% accurate opinion), the very best book of poetry of ALL TIME:

[url]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0966204298/qid=1070591071//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/103-7751397-0974219?v=glance&s=books&n=507846[/url]

No, I'm not kidding. Every single piece in the books is completely perfect.

Did you ever read HOWL by Allen Ginsberg?

BEST BOOK OF POETRY EVER.

Yeah, i think so.

my favourite poem is AMERICA, or maybe ASPODEL, just cuz i can't figure it out

I see the best minds of my generation asking an obvious question, with an even more obvious answer...

Yes, I've read Howl. And my little comment before was a bit tongue-in-check. I love Howl very much, and was completely heartbroken when Allen died in 1997.

Come on, wake up. It's always been about the pussy. How do you get the pussy? with money. It's never been about the music.

About allen dying, yeah its too bad. If he were alive now (along with burroughs) he'd be pissed right off about this war.

I got into his stuff a little while ago, and almost fifty years after it was written, its still the best and most original.

And yeah, music IS probably just about the pussy.

i'm starting to loose respect for a lot of bands. tons are turning to the dark side. At least Tool and Radiohead are staying on the path.

IMO Music is NOT just about the pussy, anymore than poetry is just about pussy, or accounting is just about the pussy, or cutting hair is just about the pussy. That's not taking into account the entire history of music, just a very cynical (and current) view of it.

And mugwump, I totally agree with you: Allen's work stands the test of time. Although, I really, really, really wish it didn't, if that makes any sense. Because to go back to those old poems he wrote so many years before I was born, and see how relevant they are even today, makes me kind of depressed, you know? Like, "Wow... we really haven't moved forward AT ALL."

But still. I'm glad they're there.

I know EXACTLY how you feel. In many ways, we haven't moved an inch.

Hey MUGWUMP!
Does your name refer to this
[IMG]http://members.iglou.com/gustavus/mugwump.gif[/IMG]
or this
[IMG]http://www.cinefex.com/backissues/number49.jpg[/IMG]
?

The name refers to the reptile/human in Naked Lunch (one of my favourite books, and the movie ain't bad either).

Dang, I was hoping it referred to the band that was the predecessor to the Mamas and the Papas.

So the second picture then

yeah, the second picture.

and I've heard of the band mugwump, though none of their music.

The Mamas and the Papas are better.

Incidentally, it was also a political party back in the day.

good taste in books
unless you can give me an example of a musician whoring themselves out i cant take you seriously

hhhhmmmmm........

thats what i thought

Blink 182 and most other "pop/punk" bands.

to suggest that these people are whoring themselves out, pretty much says that it is immoral or somehow degrading to trade what they are selling for money; and that almost assumes that they had any soul or integrity, or any art of value to begin with. I think most of those pop punk bands started out with the intention to whore themselves out, so it's no shame, no loss.

good point, but to call it PUNK is the greatest insult of all.

thats how they sell it
they dont sell blowup dolls as balloons, they sell them as sex companions

in highschool we used to call those guys "punk butterflies"
we weren't referring to the bands, but to the actual guys we knew who dressed in that style, and behaved in that child-like, non-threateningly rebellious way.

It used to anger me the way those guys would try to pretend to be so subversive and unusual, as if they're tastes were so far removed from mainstream culture; but when it came to girls, they chased after the exact same Barbie Doll ideal that the mainstream culture glorified. The attempt at subversion was just a ploy to dupe girls with emotional baggage who wanted to be rebellious by being seen with a guy like that. That was me, because I was stupid.

Then I realized, no need to be angry, it don't hurt me none if they contradict themselves. I am strong independent pagan woman singing, with my hair shaved off and my black thigh boots.......

O'Connor never whored herself out

flannery?

damn right

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Maddetchke Malorkus [/i]
[B]in highschool we used to call those guys "punk butterflies"
we weren't referring to the bands, but to the actual guys we knew who dressed in that style, and behaved in that child-like, non-threateningly rebellious way. [/B][/QUOTE]

I think we should all wear uniform that are all the same. Don't read so much into things. Maybe they just like it. Is that a possibility? Some people LIKE tattoos, some people LIKE sweaters, some people LIKE perms. People are people. Bitching about how much more real you are than anyone else doesn't make you a better person.

Yeah I know Laz, I bitched about it in highschool, I said in that same post that I used to get angry and then I realized it wasn't any of my concern what other people did or liked, or if people didn't fit into social stereotypes that I could figure out.

Then sorry for misinterpeting your statement. Maybe your sarcasm messed me up, unless of course you really are a "strong independent pagan woman singing, with my hair shaved off and [who wears] black thigh boots." At any rate, this isn't the first time this has been brought up. So it wasn't directed at just you, Ms. Malorkus....

how is being a strong independent blah blah blah the same as bitching about being more real than anyone?

Ever think that maybe they actually enjoy what they're doing? Just cos you don't like it doesn't mean they're 'whores' - and even if they are - what's wrong with being a whore?

Your complaint sucks.

The Counting Crows for Coca Cola...

That one rapper guy for that one deoderant...

Sleater Kinney lady (Corin, maybe?) for Priceline... (just kidding on that one; it was a great commerical and William Shatner was in it)...

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Oh! The Motherfucking WHO (whom I love) selling their songs for car commercials...

Iggy Pop selling "Lust for Life" to everybody...

Jewel for lady bic, or whatever the fucking razor was that she was selling...

kl0pper, I think this is what people are complaining about. And I agree with them, somewhat. I don't want my favorite songs being used to hawk products I don't like, but at the same time I totally respect the artists right to do what they do.

The equivalent would be saying something like, "Man! My fucking stockbroker SOLD OUT when I saw him chewing Doublemint gum. Like, hello? I want my stockbroker to be PURE. I want him to be doing it for the love of TRADING. Not some moneymaking big business."

Which is, obviously, nonsense.

dude, Modest fucking Mouse is on a honda comercial now.

Modest Mouse I can almost forgive. I mean, they haven't had the enormous career, the stadium tours and whatever. I'm sure the money that they get makes up for the fact that most of the world has bad taste in music .

The Buzzcocks had a song in... it might have been a Toyota commerical, too. And they're a band that strugged in obscurity (and still do) for way the fuck too long for their to not be some kind of payoff.

So, it's a sliding scale... or, I mean, it has to be taken at an individual level, I think. Of course, it's all basically bullshit. Critics are, I mean .

Oh yeah - have you seen that jane s. for "sweaters" ad that's playing on the cult forum now? That's just deplorable.

Hey!! I LIKE my sweater!

Oh I know.

But you're still a total sweater sell-out for flaunting it!

That's it! YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING PRETTY FOR CHRISTMAS!!

I love you.

Yeay! More UGLY, less PRETTY is always teh way to go!

YEAY!

I love you too, you little I've-got-the-better-sweater ho, you.

Also: I CAN'T get the new Barenaked Ladies song out of my head. It's driving me med .

You know, I only made the sweater comment because Axel said that the only people who like John Mayer are sweater wearing Christians, so I had to be all like, "Pshwa! Sweater wearing Christians, represent!"

Um. Yeah.

My Dearest Jane, The absolute highlight of this little inane exchange is that when I read what you said:

"Pshwa! Sweater wearing Christians, represent!"

I read that first sound effect like it was something Bruce Lee would do in one of his movies. Like it's a total kung-fu sound, you know? Then, just to keep the magic going, I had to read the rest of it in a really bad Chinese Kung-Fu Movie accent.

And it RULED. Only now I have to change my pants.

Pshwa! Urinating all over yourself, in the house!

Well....as long as you get my point...

There was a point?

Pshwa!!!! Did you know, you can only post a post once every 24 seconds? Pshwa!

Oh man....I can see now you're never going to let that go.

THE POINT IS THAT NOT ALL SWEATER WEARING CHRISTIANS LIKE JOHN MAYER. THAT WAS THE POINT!

get a room.

Hahahahhaha.

n00b.