MATRIX/Wachowski Bros Appreciation Thread

if it would help I could email you a copy of the script I obtained. I don't want you to jump out of your skin or explode...

I wouldn't read the end though.

What? WHAT? You have the script for RELOADED???
[CUT TO: SNOWFLAKE exploding, viscera splattering]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pan [/i]
[B]if it would help I could email you a copy of the script I obtained. I don't want you to jump out of your skin or explode...

I wouldn't read the end though. [/B][/QUOTE]

I wouldnt mind having a copy.

[email]twosmokingbarrels@att.net[/email]

first thing tomorrow guys I swear, it's 6am here...

sleep deprivation setting in.

anyone else let me know.

Although I think the Wachowski's are brilliant, and definately way smarter than me, I wouldn't go as far as calling them "Godlike Geniuses". They did admit to borrowing from a lot of other sources in coming up with the Matrix, but eh, who gives a fuck. The Matrix is fucking awesome and I too can't wait till Reloaded & Revolutions!

I just checked out some clips from the Animatrix DVD and it also looks pretty fuckin awesome.

How the fuck did you come upon a copy of the script Pan? They're keeping a tight lid on this movie, so to be able to get a copy of the script would be quite the feat.

i want a copy of the script

[email]mallgod37@hotmail.com[/email]

I REALLY want a copy of the script, but, uh....don't send me one....I'll end up ruining everything.

[email=MarioMVillalobos@msn.com]Click here to e-mail me[/email]

Which one is it?

Anyone see the first part of The Animatrix? Very cool.

[QUOTE]Although I think the Wachowski's are brilliant, and definately way smarter than me, I wouldn't go as far as calling them "Godlike Geniuses". They did admit to borrowing from a lot of other sources in coming up with the Matrix, but eh, who gives a fuck. The Matrix is fucking awesome and I too can't wait till Reloaded & Revolutions![/QUOTE]
Okay, Fucko, perhaps I might have overstated it (hey I'm prone to hyperbole anyway, and I genuinely love and enjoy these guys' works).

Sure, they are not seminal by any stretch of the imagination: they're a little bit of William Gibson, a little bit of Katsuhiro Otomo, a little bit of HK action, a little bit of (as Brock pointed out) the Ancient Greeks, a little bit of Biblical lore, a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit country, a little bit rock 'n' roll, etc...But that's just life in the post-modern pop culture. What I like about the Wachowskis is not only do they draw from the very best and intelligent of sources, they freely ACKNOWLEDGE their source material. Also, I believe they are "Godlike" in that they have successfully created a cohesive, seamless, mythological cosmos for their Matrix. So, they didn't invent the wheel, but they sure made it fun to roll.

There are plenty of artists, from Tarantino to our own beloved Chucky P., who are admittedly derivative...but the true value of their work lies in their talent to transmute preceding older source material into something fresh, amazing, and genuinely enjoyable. Even Shakespeare, God to English literature if there ever was one, was derivative in that sense.

P.S. How do you know the Wachowskis are smarter than you? You could be a Godlike genius in your own right!

i am carbon copying and attatching files as we speak. make sure i can access your email or send it to me in a private message.

I'll never teeell... sorry Fucko I can't give away all of my secrets...

I need an address if you want a copy.
so far I sent one to TSB and mr gone...

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pan [/i]
[B]
so far I sent one to TSB and mr gone... [/B][/QUOTE]

check your email guys...

Oh god, what a moral dilemma. Pure, unadulterated Matrix bliss in May, or take a little nip from the flask while I can..... ok, took a quick survey, and it's time. Please, oh please, hit me up with that sweet, sweet script. Here's the address: [email]nodak83@hotmail.com[/email]

sweet, i'll read it tonight.

you're not Jack are you?

Tyler, little help?

[QUOTE]they're a little bit of William Gibson[/QUOTE]

Now thats an understatment.

But anyway, I loved The Matrix, but I do think if Neo is going to do all this 'cool fighting' in the sequels, that would be a BIG continuality error.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Rents [/i]
[B]Oh god, what a moral dilemma. Pure, unadulterated Matrix bliss in May, or take a little nip from the flask while I can..... ok, took a quick survey, and it's time. Please, oh please, hit me up with that sweet, sweet script. Here's the address: [email]nodak83@hotmail.com[/email] [/B][/QUOTE]

your wish is my command...

i was up till 3:30 last night.
the script is decent, nothing realy outstanding.
the fight scenes should be wicked though.
and i did read anything about 'the twins'.
how sure are you that this is the real script pan?

is this the script you have?

[URL=http://keanuweb.com/credits/movie.matrix2.stories.2.html]THE MATRIX RELOADED[/URL]

or have you got a different version?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by mr_gone [/i]
[B]i was up till 3:30 last night.
the script is decent, nothing realy outstanding.
the fight scenes should be wicked though.
and i did read anything about 'the twins'.
how sure are you that this is the real script pan? [/B][/QUOTE]

it was given to me by a friend. After reading it I was pretty convinced it was the real thing... That's it Travis, what is it just a story they wrote with the same name as the sequel?

damn sorry guys I was fooled by a red herring I guess...

so, it isn't the script?

well it is written by them at least, and it's called matrix reload for christ sake it's got to be loosley based, or a big fat red herring concocted by them to throw us all off.
this is what travis's link says
[No official word this is the story of the film.]
they dont' say yes, they don't say no mr gone:(...
hey, i was decieved too... come on.

hehehehe i'm glad I don't have my real location posted i would be murdered by a six foot bunny rabbit.

i can't beleive you stayed up till' 3:30:D
my apologies

Official Plot Outlines
That plot description for The Matrix Reloaded on the Village Cinemas website, which is a division of Village Roadshow production company (yes, the same company that's one of the makers of The Matrix films), sure is interesting: "To quash the impending rebellion, the matrix releases a computer virus so deadly that agents must align with rebellious forces to fight it."
[scoop: Comimg Attractions, September 16, 2002]

Rumoured Plot Outlines
Neo and the rebel leaders estimate that they have 72 hours until 250,000 probes discover Zion and destroy it and its inhabitants. During this, Neo must decide how he can save Trinity from a dark fate in his dreams.
[source: The Pacer, January 24, 2003]

Neo is trapped inside the crumbling Matrix while the others rush to protect Zion from the machines, the end is about to be determined as to who'll survive in the human vs. machines war.
[source: DarkHorizons, April 9, 2002]

Neo will discover he got a son before get got out from The Matrix and he did a big mistake thinking he was the one, actually it was his son. Trinity and others will try then to get out the son of Neo from The Matrix but Neo thinks the child must just stand into The Matrix cause he can't live in the real and polluted world.
[source: Counting Down (Sumakhet), July 10, 2001]

The basis of the story is rooted in Christian mythology, keeping in touch with the Christ theme of the first film. The machines continue to attempt to penetrate Zion, but they cannot, because they are not human enough. So they devise a way to fool with Zion from the inside out. Since the machines outnumber the humans, the war must be fought where the humans have the advantage - The Matrix. Neo goes in and attempts to access into the program - not the Matrix itself, but the AI that control the software - but the agents have already set a trap for him.
[source: Coming Soon, June 24, 2001]

"Neo fights himself" - His eyes snap open, he is in the Matrix with Trinity, and are willing to go to the Oracle, but sudenly Trinity sees Neo across the street and calls him, but Neo is next to her, and they realize there is another Neo, so agent Smith tells them they could copy his format so they would fight him, and the battle starts.
[source: thematrixonline.com (submitted by "Confidential movies"), May 23, 2001]

Manex and the Wachowski's have had discussions about "raising the concept of bullet-time to the next level," as reported at the San Diego Comic Convention (August 1999).

There's another human who can alter the reality of the Matrix (like Neo) but is an ally of the machines. Our scooper referred to these people who can change the Matrix's reality as "Manipulators".
["Mr. Chop" is a known associate of Agent Smith.]

IGN Movies reported on October 1st, 1999, the Wachowski brothers and Manex Entertainment ("bullet-time" effects) have discussed a car chase sequence in the second Matrix film that promises to re-juvinate this form of action scene. As the story goes, Neo is being chased by a group of Agents, racing down city streets to try and lose his pursuers... except the Agents are jumping into different drivers' bodies during the chase sequence.

The character of Trinity could be "displaced in a temporal reality" and Neo has to rescue her. The character of Trinity might or might not be... an agent! And as for Zion..."storyboards are circulating showing a chase around Zion's 'Core Conscience', which bares more than a passing similarity to Big Ben!" Wild.
[source: Dark Horizons]

Silver revealed "In this movie, the story is continuing." And "Essentially, the boys [the Wachowski brothers] intended to make Matrix because they wanted to find a way to make a superhero movie today where the audience would accept superheroes in a way that wouldn't feel to them like Saturday morning television. And they made the first movie to set up that world. In the sequels, you're going to see that Neo has superhuman powers, and they can really do what they've always wanted to do." In addition, Silver confirmed that audiences will finally see the last stronghold of humanity, Zion.
[source: SciFi Weekly, November 2, 1999]

plus, these guys wern't mentioned in the script i read.

[img]http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_img/posters_six_twins_full.jpg[/img]

it also says - May not be the used script but is interesting reading material. UPDATE: The script does not mention all the characters we now know about.
check the link out, it's got lot's of interesting facts...

that are either spoilers or fake.

I havent read the script yet. Its sittting there but im unsure if I want to ruin the film for myself.

Pan, have you been able to get other films scripts?

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ByuTfLSnowflake [/i]
[B]Okay, Fucko, perhaps I might have overstated it (hey I'm prone to hyperbole anyway, and I genuinely love and enjoy these guys' works).

Sure, they are not seminal by any stretch of the imagination: they're a little bit of William Gibson, a little bit of Katsuhiro Otomo, a little bit of HK action, a little bit of (as Brock pointed out) the Ancient Greeks, a little bit of Biblical lore, a little bit of Buddhism, a little bit country, a little bit rock 'n' roll, etc...But that's just life in the post-modern pop culture. What I like about the Wachowskis is not only do they draw from the very best and intelligent of sources, they freely ACKNOWLEDGE their source material. Also, I believe they are "Godlike" in that they have successfully created a cohesive, seamless, mythological cosmos for their Matrix. So, they didn't invent the wheel, but they sure made it fun to roll.

There are plenty of artists, from Tarantino to our own beloved Chucky P., who are admittedly derivative...but the true value of their work lies in their talent to transmute preceding older source material into something fresh, amazing, and genuinely enjoyable. Even Shakespeare, God to English literature if there ever was one, was derivative in that sense.

P.S. How do you know the Wachowskis are smarter than you? You could be a Godlike genius in your own right! [/B][/QUOTE]

Beautiful and Intelligent! God only knows I'm due for a trip down to HeLLA...hahahah!

You're definately right. No matter what you do nowadays, your idea is taken or influenced by a number of different sources. Total and complete originality is extemely hard to come by, but the Wachoski's definately do come pretty close don't they, in the sense that, as you mentioned, they have created their own mythological world (mythological as far as we know anyway!).

Hmmm, now that you mention it, maybe I am godlike in some way or another.....

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by twosmokingbarre [/i]
[B]I havent read the script yet. Its sittting there but im unsure if I want to ruin the film for myself.

Pan, have you been able to get other films scripts? [/B][/QUOTE]
Go ahead TSB it won't ruin it I don't think it's the official script, check out the link in Travis's post above.

I kinda collect'em...

A Clockwork Orange (final draft)
American Psycho (unused draft)
American Psycho (final draft)
Blue Velvet
Batman: Fearless (unused)
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (final draft)
Fight Club (shooting script)
La Jetee
Leon, The Professional
Lord of the Rings (final draft)
PI (shooting draft)
Pulp Fiction
Resevoir Dogs
Se7en (early draft unused)
Se7en (final draft)
Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones
Superman Lives (unused screenplay, by Kevin Smith)
The Matrix (final draft)
The Royal Tenenbaums
Trainspotting (final draft)
Twelve Monkeys (final draft)
Twin Peaks: episodes 1 and 2
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

I'm looking for Rules of Attracrtion if anyone has a link to this let me know.
I'm sure most of these scripts are the real deal, cause I've seen most of these movies.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by pan [/i]
[B]Go ahead TSB it won't ruin it I don't think it's the official script, check out the link in Travis's post above.

I kinda collect'em...

A Clockwork Orange (final draft)
American Psycho (unused draft)
American Psycho (final draft)
Blue Velvet
Batman: Fearless (unused)
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (final draft)
Fight Club (shooting script)
Le Jetee
Leon, The Professional
Lord of the Rings (final draft)
PI (shooting draft)
Pulp Fiction
Resevoir Dogs
Se7en (early draft unused)
Se7en (final draft)
Star Wars: Episode 2: Attack of the Clones
Superman Lives (unused screenplay, by Kevin Smith)
The Matrix (final draft)
The Royal Tenenbaums
Trainspotting (final draft)
Twelve Monkeys (final draft)
Twin Peaks: episodes 1 and 2
Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

I'm looking for Rules of Attracrtion if anyone has a link to this let me know.
I'm sure most of these scripts are the real deal, cause I've seen most of these movies. [/B][/QUOTE]

If you have the time that "Superman Lives" would be cool. I heard about it in some magazine or something. You maybe know this but Comic Book shows Ive heard have a lot of never produced and soon to be poduced screenplays.

i'll email it today.

For a few more scripts, check this bad boy out. One of my favorite sites.

[url]http://www.script-o-rama.com/snazzy/dircut.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Hmmm, now that you mention it, maybe I am godlike in some way or another.....[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't doubt it for a second, Fucko.

Rents: Thanx for the link. That site is totally cool, I bookmarked it immediately.

:) PAN!!! :)

Can I please thank you for sending out the Reloaded script. Even if it only turns out to be a MacGuffin, it was really cool of you to go to all that trouble. SO THANKS!!!

I am really impressed with your script collection. Your list is comprised of many of my all-time favorites! I have the "Memento" script, which is really wonderful, and a bunch of X-files episodes (shooting scripts).

I noticed you have "La Jetee" on your list--what is that exactly? All I know is that it's some french film, but one cool enough to inspire not only "Twelve Monkeys" but "Donnie Darko" (2 movies I also love). Can you tell me anything about it? I've never seen it.

It's a series of still photographs arranged to tell a story.
A child witnesses a things that stick with him.
He sees a man die.
Then his country is destroyed... forcing its inhabitants underground.
The inhabitants become prisoners that the are experimented on.
They then select a test subject.
They tell the guinea pig that the only hope for salvation is in time travel/manipulation.
They go through a serires of failed attempts of sending him to the past until they finally succeed.
He meets a girl he feels is familiar in the past, in fact the only thing he feels familiar with. They pull him back to the future then send him back.
He is closer to the girl this time. They are without memories, without plans. Time builds itself painlessly around them. Their only landmarks are the flavor of the moment they are living and the markings on the walls.
He begins to remember more as they live more...
He gets messages frm the future world he saved saying they want to bring him there.
We find out he is the child from the beginning and he wants to stay with his childhood.
He goes to meet the girl and realizes he can't escape time aman from the future is sent to kill him and he realizes that as a child he witnessed his own death...

I've only seen bits of the short so this is from the script. If the script isn't on Rents link, a sweet one I might add, I'lll email it to you.

on a side note, have you seen Watership Down? I heard Donnie Darko was also based loosley on it also.

Pan, could you send the Matrix reloaded script and 12 monkeys? heres the address; [email]joe_the_coat@smashing-pumpkins.com[/email]

sure.

Hi Pan! I checked Rents' link--no "La Jetee". If you don't mind sending it to me, I would be really grateful. Your description of it sounds amazing. How they can convey a story that complex in still images blows my mind. I'd lreally like to see that film--what did you think about it visually, from the clips you saw? I'm not sure outside of film school there's many places you'd hear about "La Jetee"--are you a film student?

La Jetee was good. I first heard about it back when 12 Monkeys came out, and a year or so ago I found it on a DVD of short films, called simply Short 2.

By the way, I wish to add to this thread my appreciation of both The Matrix and the Wachowskis (I dug Bound, too). Assassins was crap, though I know they just wrote the script.

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ByuTfLSnowflake [/i]
[B]Hi Pan! I checked Rents' link--no "La Jetee". If you don't mind sending it to me, I would be really grateful. Your description of it sounds amazing. How they can convey a story that complex in still images blows my mind. I'd lreally like to see that film--what did you think about it visually, from the clips you saw? I'm not sure outside of film school there's many places you'd hear about "La Jetee"--are you a film student? [/B][/QUOTE]

it was nice french film. eerie images and i think narration. as you said it was powerful enough to influence donnie darko and 12 monkeys...
I'm not a film student, just an avid film fan...
literature fan...
music fan...
art, i love art...

i'm a jack of all trades
and master of... all!
what about you, are you a film student?

For The Rules of Attraction screenplay, there is no easier place to get it then Roger Avary's official site, Avary.com

For a direct link, go [URL=http://www.avary.com/rulesofattraction/screenplay/Rules%20Script%202001-03-03.pdf]here![/URL]

[QUOTE]what about you, are you a film student?[/QUOTE]

I'm a Literature student, actually, but I think out here in L.A. we are all film student/cineasts; that's the industry of our town, our equivalent of coal mining. I think the people crazy enough to live here kind of all harbor secret desires to work with film in one way or another. Even if you don't work in the biz, you generally & genuinely have a love for cinema that permeates the city.

I'd love to write screenplays. I took a film class, and am planning to try my hand at some.