Marilyn Manson

If you say so.

His best album was Portrait of an American family. Ironically, that is before he was all about the "image" of being Marilyn Manson. Antichrist Superstar had a few good tracks. He's put out nothing but garbage since.

I would have to disagree... I actually really like Holywood and Golden Age of Grotesque... though both required me to listen to them multiple times before I actually enjoyed them... maybe I just brainwashed myself into liking them...

Man I bet New Years - 2000 is gonna be crazy! I plan on wearing some Jnco pants and my Alice in Chains shirt to the party!

Yeah, yeah, yeah, knock him all you want. He's an interesting guy, and writes better music than I do...

On another note, he is touring soon with Slayer I think and I read an interview with Slayer saying how interesting it was to tour with him because it was always fun to stand on the stage and very clearly see the difference between the Slayer fans and the Marilyn Manson fans, and then the very few folk who were both... He said they toured with him last year or so and it was fun and there were not too many fights between the fanbases... thats what i really want to see, a large group of eyelined goths rumble against some metal studded metal heads... that would be awesome.

Have you ever been to a Slayer concert? You can count the number of "metal studded metal heads" on one hand. I love Slayer, but the hardcore metal people that you're thinking of don't listen to them anymore.

The last metal show I went to was Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, and Slipknot, and that was maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But plenty of my friends are metal-studded metal heads... mid-twenties to late thirties age... I dont know who listens to Slayer nowadays, but the last album I remember listening to was "Christ Illusion" which was certainly not great but it wasnt awful...

I didn't care much for "Eat Me, Drink Me" at first, but it really grew on me. It sounds so raw and some of the songs are just haunting. I didn't mind his later works either.

I met Manson when he was touring with NIN way back in '94. He was pretty cool then, but this was before he blew up.

He hasn't done anything that has interested me since Antichrist Superstar.

I love Frank.

He commented that for his new album he'd 'gotten his fire back', so i'm hoping for something more like Golden Age of Grotesque. Eat Me Drink Me was very good, writing wise and all of that, but it was toned down.
He released the name of the track 'Armamotherfuckinggeddon', so you know it's not all going to be haunting, slowish songs.

HAHAHA!!!! Genius!

I don't think MM's albums are what they used to be. They're more from a matured glam goth perspective than the angst filled antihero that most have come to know.

but (S)aint was still pretty good.

It all goes down hill once the artist stops starving. Once the screams and anguish and passion of not being heard fade... or something like that.

he's a good actor. always hilarious.

You got a point, Pepper.

Once he doesn't feel the need to rant and rave and rail anymore, the music suffers. I'm starting to miss his antics, but I'm kinda glad he calmed down.

I'm always surprised he hasn't killed himself yet. Not that he seems the type to kill themselves but it's just, can you imagine him at 50?60? Like keith richards kind of old? (who woulda thunk he'd still be alive also.)
I mean, Alice Cooper seems to have pulled it off alright and still got a grain of respectability, but he was never as over-the-top as Manson. oh well, we'll see.

I think It's going to be fun seeing him get old. I want to see how he treats his audience. But if you really think about it, there will always be young adults who listen to his music. He's just that kind of artist.

I like this MM song off his last album, The High End of Low.

Yeah the new album isn't too bad at all. Maybe cause he has Twiggy back with him, I don't know. I actually like the more acoustic songs as they seem to be actually written well and not just a bunch of sounds and nonsense lyrics. Although he would be nothing if it were not for Trent IMHO....

He would be something; probably not as well-known.

i saw nin in 94, mm was supposed to open but they fuckin banned him from playing cuz of his live show (playing with dildos and such) which didn't really bother me since i didn't know much about him at the time and who wants to see the opening act?
now it pisses me off cuz it shows how much religion really has a stronghold on this city.
any-whoo
near the end of the show reznor brought him out on stage, he had a book of mormon in his hand, i can't remember all that was said but he did say "is this what you believe? is this what you believe?" as most of the crowd is yelling no, he ripped it up and threw it into the audience. it. was. awesome.

Always always always watch the opening act. You never know who is going to blow up huge and you want to have bragging rights.

He may be something, however if you look at the credits Trent produced their first 2-3 albums which were the ones that blew them up. I don't think those albums would have been made or wouldn't have been half as great if not for Trent.

I haven't bought an album since Golden Age of Grotesque, didn't think much of the last few he has released, not one song on them that I would listen to over and over.

Wow, in Salt Lake? I'm surprised he wasn't arrested.

Its funny because how do the religious folk even find out about that stuff? Wait, I know...

They go to the shows, too. To observe and report, of course. It's like that Christian that keeps up with all the current gay and fetish porn, to keep his brothers and sisters abreast of how degraded and perverted society is.

It's his cross to bear, I guess.

I remember in art class in high school, this one kid would always put on MM (we got to listen to music) and then a couple kids dropped the class to avoid listening to it. Their parents tried to sue the school. Over music. On the radio.

We can only hope.

I love his earlier albums, but MM hasn't done anything interesting or relevant since Golden Age of Grotesque. Eat Me Drink Me was pretty awful outside of a few tracks and High End of Low is just plain unlistenable. I like Twiggy but his Oasis obsession is way out of hand, and Manson just sounds old and tired. Don't even start me on the lyrics.

The fact he's still trying to seem edgy and alternative when he's an overweight, balding mess is just sad. People who have such an explosive entry on to the scene and distinctly youth related personas such as he affected really don't have any options once they're over about 30, which means he's at least ten years overdue for retirement.

Marilyn Manson was the third to last rock star. Kid Rock was the second to last. 'Lil Wayne is the final rock star.

There are no more taboos to be broken. People are hardly shocked by 'Lil Wayne's antics. Rock stars were a phenomena of the second half of the twentieth century, musicians will never be idolized that way again.

Manson was never really a musician anyway, he was a rock star. Trent Reznor is a musician. Rock and roll is dead, it's all just music now.

That's my perspective, at least.

anyone remember that rumor thjat he was the nerdy kid from the wonder years?

what are Lil Wayne's 'antics' exactly?

I guess i'm a bit baffled that so many people actually liked Marilyn Manson.

His last two were trash and nothing will ever live up to Antichrist

Took the words right outta my head. I honestly don't think anyone has to read any further past those two comments. But in all seriousness, Manson has always been a character to me: someone who's more concerned with his image than his art.

I love the song The Speed Of Pain.

The two are pretty intrinsically bound. The image is part of the art. It's not unusual at all for a music artist to effect a different persona or create a character. This runs the whole gamut of genres, from David Bowie to Lady Gaga to Jimmy Buffet to Motley Crue to the Beatles, and so on. Even artists whom you may think are not intentionally cultivating a persona or 'image' are still very concerned with how they are perceived - ie most indie rock bands, with their artfully unshaven faces and vintage clothing.

Really I think the image thing only really becomes a problem when there is no substance behind it, which is where Manson's last two albums are particularly lacking. The level of posturing has increased, as if to compensate for the fact that lyrically and musically, he's got nothing left. He's concerned with appearing 'cool' where he never really was before, and it comes across as desperate, which is never a good thing for anyone, let alone a rockstar, to be. But for a long time, particularly during the Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals periods, Manson had a pretty perfect synthesis of image and music.

Yeah well, Antichrist Superstar and everything before it was produced by Trent Reznor, who's a musical genius. Manson could always write decent lyrics, but he depended on others to make great music to put those lyrics on top of. Until Mechanical Animals came out he was more an extension of NIN, the very public rockstar that Reznor was too shy/sane to be, than his own act. Since then I haven't really paid attention to him, so I know nothing about his past few albums.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but wish i didn't. I think an artists image, should really only come into play in their live performances. I don't got the MTV anymore and haven't watched a music video in quite some time (Tarzan Boy being the most recent exception), so a singer or band, to me is an audial experience first. But I guess that's what may be different with Manson, maybe he's more of a performer than a singer? Now that I think of it, maybe there really aren't any singers left, maybe since the advent of music videos and internets, singers were forced to compete for attention and become performers. But now thinking back to the Talking Head's Stop Making Sense, maybe image and music was always made to go together? Or maybe I just don't like Manson and think of him as a child jumping up and down for attention. I kinda feel the same way about Rob Zombie too.

I like Marilyn Manson. I was never that into Metal as a teenager (other than old Heavy Metal) but Marilyn Manson always stuck out as a really good artist. He had great catchy tunes and interesting things to say - either in his lyrics or in interviews. Did anyone read his autobiography? It's not to be taken too seriously but it was interesting and very entertaining.

I didn't really bother with him after the Holywood (2000) album, I started listening to other things and forgot about him. I suppose a lot of artists lose their spark too, or run out of things to say over time. Oasis, The Dandy Warhols and Cat Power (bands and artists that I used to love) spring to mind.

There are plenty of fantastic singers left, you just must look somewhere other than the multimillion dollar machine, under rocks and in dimly lit corners is where I find most of them.

Chuck's last few books no one likes, Manson's last few albums no one likes.
Has any one ever seen the two of them in the same place at the same time? Jus' sayin'.

Chuck did like to talk about Manson back in the day. Was it all just clever self-promotion?