Joker? Possible Spoilers

Spoilering Quetion--

Did 2 Face die at the end. I know Gordan's going to tell everyone that Dent is dead but I forget whether or not he is actually dead.

I'm curious to find out if there were anymore scenes filmed with Ledger as the joker, that were cut from this movie, that they may be holding back for the next film.

yeah, i was waiting for them to have that scene after the credits with the Joker sitting in Arkham or something. with it not being there, you gotta think maybe it's in a vault somewhere waiting for a couple years for the next flick.

I don't know if anyone agrees but I think if Johnny Depp were to play Joker that he would be a great replacment and he would do Heath justice while doing a great job. That's what I think, Johnny Depp is a great actor and could do a great job, depending on if he would take the job or not. Heathe's joker reminded me alot of Depp's acting in a way.

No. I don't think they should replace Heath at all. And I really don't think Depp would make a good Joker at all... yeah he's a decent actor and all that, but he's overrated. Calling him the best actor of his generation is a little bit much. He's good in a lot of what he does, but I don't think he'd be good in this role. I think he could do it manageably, but I don't think he could achieve or surpass Ledger... and I don't think he should try.

Unless Chris Nolan or Daniel Day-Lewis confirms it, I don't think I believe that. I dunno about DDL doing a blockbuster anyway... if anything, I think the only reason he would ever do it is as a tribute of some kind to Heath, since he spoke about Heath's passing openly/emotionally.

Yeah I never said that Depp was the best actor of his generation and NO ONE and when i say that i mean NO ONE will surpass Ledger, Ledger did wayyyy to good of a job. But like I was saying for some reason he reminded me of Depp and I think Depp could do a good job, he wouldn't be Ledger, at all, but he could do a good job.

After seeing this movie though like it's too bad that Heathe had to go, amazing actor...

Well, rumors are skyrocketing about the Riddler being the next main bad guy. Apparently he's suppost to be the employee that was trying to blackmail Bruce Wayne in the movie. The character profile makes sense since Riddler was an ex employee of Wayne Corp., but his name was Edward Nigma, not Mr. Reese. How that is getting defended is that Riddler had many personas and "Mr. Reese" sounds like "mysteries". I think people are looking way too close into things and personally think Riddler would be a poor choice for a villian directly after Joker.

Either way, if we are looking that close into clues for the next villian wouldn't it make sense that Catwoman be introduced due to the wisecrack about cats and the loss of a love interest for Mr. Wayne? Also Harley Quinn would have been wonderful, but without Joker....

I don't know how to say this without sounding like too much of an asshole, so just don't take a lot of offense from this... but I don't like any of the ideas you've suggested so far. I mean, I don't think Batman working with Two-Face would even work in the animated series or comic book. If all they have in common is they want to keep their alter identity secret, then really Spiderman and Green Goblin should have been past pals, you know? It doesn't work like that. Can't really write a plot just because team-ups and betrayals would be cool, because the movies aren't exactly like comic books. They're more based on realism and psychology and stuff.

I don't know how serious about that you were, since yeah, you're right, it's pure speculation, but I don't think Nolan is going to stoop to that level of lameness. Just like Joker working as Hannibal pretty much negates the psychology of the character that he JUST BUILT in the movie he JUST FINISHED and would be lame... Joker wouldn't help Batman unless there was some sort of twisted glee to be gotten from it, much like Batman wouldn't work with Two-Face just because they both don't like the Riddler. Know what I mean? If anything, if the scenario you suggested (Reese becomes Riddler and such), Batman would be against both Dent and Riddler, trying to clean up the mess Two-Face leaves behind while keeping Riddler quiet.

Whatever happens, I hope Nolan works really hard to try to top this one. I mean, if there is a third, I hope it at least tops BB.

Rainbow...no offense at all.  I wasn't presenting those ideas as being cool or something I hope for, just presenting them as options.  The whole Joker sitting in Arkham in the shadows playing mind games with Batman was just a way to keep a "new actor" in the shadows.  Because, if they try to use the Joker in the third, I don't know how they could do it effectively, his arc is so good in this and Ledger's performance was legendary, so whoever takes on the role would be doomed from the get go...although, a lot of people questioned the casting of Heath at first.  Oh...and I think Ryan Phillape was supposed to be Two Face at one point.

Anybody know any good arcs the Ridler had, be it comics or cartoons?

I think you're thinking of Hush, nate. In which yeah he's pretty important. Long Halloween I don't remember TOO well, but I have it in my hand right now and it has a lot to do with Dent's transformation and a coneiving mobster nephew/or son/someone.

I don't think Hush would make a very good film, though.

Riddler's involved with the story. But Holiday is Alberto Falcone.

Other than that, I don't know many good Riddler stories. I'm not sure he would make a really good main opponent anyway. He's somewhat interesting, but I'm not so sure they could really outdo TDK with a Riddler story.

I read this online. Doesn't really mean anything officially but I thought it was worth repeating. Make no mistake by the way, Joker really is out of the picture after this movie, at least according to our source. We’re told that the Joker indeed was supposed to be back for another film, and that they did consider simply recasting the part for the inevitable Batman 3, but that those plans have been scrapped after the tragedy of Heath Ledger’s death. Joker has been written out of the Batman 3 script. Instead, our scooper tells us we’ll get a lot more Two-Face. No surprise there. Anyone who’s seen the recent trailer for The Dark Knight knows the current movie will be dealing with the creation of Batman’s scarred, coin-flipping bad guy. It looks like Batman 3 will continue with his story. We couldn’t get specific details from our source, but she says the third film will be referencing the Batman graphic novels “The Long Halloween” and “Dark Victory”.

I think that they should've just called this movie The Joker instead of The Dark Knight because it was more about the Joker than Batman. And I'm not saying that it was bad, it was wonderful. That was the Joker. I mean Jack Nickleson will always be Jack Nickleson, and if they did choose Depp, Depp is always Johnny Depp. But Heath Ledger was the Joker, and became the focal point of the movie. I didn't really care about him and didn't think he was a good actor, but after this. Damn. Now I am sad he's gone, because I fear that is the end of the Joker.

I think your friends info is a little mixed up. Heath Ledger started another movie after completing TDK called The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus. Johnny Depp, Jude Law, and Colin Farrel all agreed to complete his role because he passed away while filming this flick. This will be possible because Ledgers character is a man whose appearance changes throughout the movie.