It's that time... LOST Season 5 Thread!

I doubt we're going to see much of anything that takes place between The Incident (1977?) and The Purge (1987?). But yeah, after the incident happens, things have to return to some level of normalcy for their to be so many Dharma folk still on the island, 10 years later.

I think what I am excited about is the fact that, the way this is set up, this could almost be the series finale... The consequences of the next 2 hours are so enormous that it could be the end of Lost... and we might even be OK with whatever ending they were to give us... But we know that isnt that case, we know there are 17 or so more hours lurking, waiting for next February to roll around...

Which means... what the hell is going to happen? They have been filling in a lot of gaps this season, but really, only minor ones. We still dont know who Jacob is nor his relation to the Island. We dont really know Smokey's relation to the Island either, except that he acts as some sort of "security device" as well as some sort of judge. We havent seen the Temple. We dont know anything about the statue, its origins, its destruction. We dont know about this new group of people, who they are, what they know, what they want. We still dont know anything about Hanso. The actual consequences of how time travel works are still undetermined (though Dan being shot by his mother might be a good indication that his former theory, wherein we cant change anything, is closer to accurate).

Thinking about this is getting me stoked for the finale and the final season... Because thus far I have, overwhelmingly though not entirely, appreciated the creativity of the writers, and the directions they have taken. Which means they have crafted the facade of the end of a series, only I expect some sort of rug to be pulled out from under us pretty hard next week.

I hope the entire last season takes place on Island (save for flashbacks or what have you). While I appreciated the off-Island stuff as part of the narrative this season, I am always happier on the Island.

Who do we think is going to die in the finale? Anyone? Miles is expendable at this point, but his talking to dead people thing might still come in handy. I am thinking that there is a chance Sayid might be taking a long nap... I dont really want him to, but I wouldnt be horribly surprised if he did...

Haha! "Loosely" indeed! - From Popular Mechanics Blog: http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4316571.html?nav=RSS2...

"Back in this season's third episode, "Jughead,", Daniel Faraday instructed Ellie (who we now know is his mother!) and the rest of Others to bury the bomb "carefully." From what we saw last night, the Others interpreted those directions very loosely. The bomb wasn't buried so much as it was stored in the labyrinth of tunnels beneath the island. And it definitely wasn't encased in lead or a cement housing in order to contain any of radiation that the bomb could possibly be leaking.

One can only wonder if this is why, a few decades down the line, women on the island start to encounter problems during pregnancy, eventually leading to the deaths of both mother and baby sometime during the second trimester. Nuclear bomb expert Ivan Oelrich, vice president for the strategic security program at the Federation of American Scientists, previously explained to us that without proper burial, the plutonium from the hydrogen bomb could leak into the ground water. Plutonium exposure is obviously not healthy for pregnant women (or anyone else, for that matter), and has been associated with birth defects and stillbirth. We've also speculated that the four-toed statue, which has characteristics of Taweret, the Egyptian goddess of maternity and childbirth, may have something to do with the fertility issues—but the Jughead hypothesis provides a different answer more deeply rooted in science."

Nice interview with the always interesting Michael Emerson:
http://io9.com/5246218/emerson-explains-why-ben-is-such-a-punching-bag?s...

I got 5 bucks says the very last scene is them on the plane in 2004 landing safely at LAX and you'll kinda see them looking around like "what just happened?" and then the Lost bong.

also, didn't they just have a clip show like 2 weeks ago? What the fucks up with that?

yeah, clip shows are lame. it would be funny if it was the same one, but with a little bit extra tagged onto the end. actually, thinking about it, that would be ridiculously hilarious. it is nice to have a clip show preceded the two hour finale, though, because it will be nice to have on whilst preparing dinner, snacks, etc, getting ready for finale.

seeing jj abrams on the big screen again last night in star trek, i wonder what it would take to get the series finale to air on the big screen... I mean, Showcase Cinemas have Red Sox games aired on the big screen, live, why not a groundbreaking and genre changing television show's series finale? (Even if it did or did not jump the shark once or twice between when it was given those monikers and the end...)

I'm kind of excited, even though i am still incredibly pissed off at them with the whole comic-con video debacle. This is like the first year I haven't bothered looking online for spoilers.
Honestly, the only two things I care about is for them to show where the hell rose and bernard have been. And hopefully, see sun and jin reunited.
I imagine we'll get a load of info on Jacob, setting up next year to be all about his and the island ultimate destiny. But anything else that happens, to me, is no big whoop.
I figure they'll finally kill off sayid because there's not much left for him to do story-wise except look bad-ass.

yeah, i dont see any real incentive for them to do it, other than the fact i think it would be cool for the series finale, with a 1 hour or 90 minute clip show preceding it and then the two hour finale. it would be a one-shot deal, they would only do it live with the airing of the episode, thats it... MAYBE again immediately following, but I doubt even then... it wouldnt be about money, just a way to give the fans a little gift...

i dont know what they would do about commercials...

I know that a few Showcase Cinemas in Massachusetts show Red Sox games, maybe 6 or 7 of them a season, live in the theatres, but I dont know anyone that has seen one. I think tickets are like $5 or $7 or something, less than a normal movie ticket.

In any case... 5.5 hours and ticking...

And I agree, I dont think Locke will kill Jacob but I think we will learn a lot about him, and set up one of the bigger dynamics that will sustain the final season...

Also, Matthew Fox was on Ellen, and they showed a clip, and in it Jack and Sayid were looking through Daniel's notebook, wherein they discovered complicated instructions on how to extract the plutonium from the bomb and then how to detonate it, hence answering my question of what the hell Jack thought he was going to do once he found the bomb, but not answering how they are able to read a diary after they swam 50 yards underwater with it...

and, hell yeah we need to see us some rose and bernard. The producers said they were too important to die off-camera. So, where are they?

I just remembered there is one more podcast, released on Monday, that I havent listened to... going to check it out now instead fo completing my Tibetan final...

Haha, the podcast deals with the footage from ComicCon 2008... they tease it in the promo for the podcast, even... basically, it was a mess up... they had originally planned a slightly different story branch, and they had a whole ARG planned for between ComicCon 2008 and the beginning of the season... then they didnt have the money to do the ARG and without all of the details they hoped to reveal they re-jiggered the show to make it work. Also, they said that ComicCon material is a supplement, but not actual canon...

They say the finale has a good deal of "mythological advancement" which will make fans happy but is as open-ended as the Season 1 finale, which might frustrate some folk...

Hmm. They say that what they did with the compass, regarding it being stuck in some sort of time loop, its seemingly having no origin as it is in a mobius loop and its general state of decay (or lack thereof) is all intentional... there are some math problems that have no solution...

By the end of this finale we should get a "substantial piece of information which will let (us) know in which direction the end of the series is going."

Did Rose and Bernard end up back in time? Wouldn't it be weird if the next time we see them is in the future (our present day), and they're 30 years older because they've been stuck on the island somewhere for so many years? Or maybe Rose and Bernard are the skeletons of Adam and Eve, although Jack guessed the skeletons were 40 or 50 years old, not 30. But yeah, we need some solid answer on where they've been. Maybe they can get their own spin off show this summer--The Misadventures of Rose & Bernard miniseries.

they'll be chillin in the cabin with not-dead claire and mostly-dead christian.

and vincent the dog.

Hooray for Rose, Bernard and Vincent.

I was, for sure, thinking that the twist was going to be that the "Jacob" that the Others had been following this whole time was, in fact, not Jacob but his brother, and that Locke is in commune with the Island and hence with the real Jacob and that is why he was going to go kill the fake Jacob.

If the Locke that we see is a fake Locke, the loophole of Jacob's (brother? Hanso?), then why did he ask Ben about the original visit to the cabin? Fake Locke shouldnt have cared about that, even if he did assume all of Locke's memories...

Also, Jacob touched basically all of our remaining Losties. Why would he have touched John Locke, knowing what was going to happen? (Assuming his knowledge somehow exceeds linear concepts of time).

Notice how two seasons in a row the big "gotcha" moment has been showing John Locke's dead body?

I thought this whole episode was well played. They were able to open up so many new plot questions. Well played.

Obviously I have a lot more thoughts. What are all of yours?

I liked this the first time I saw it. When it was called Trading Places with Randolph and Mortimer.

this is the best thing i have ever seen. i really wonder how mcgyver really does it

For the first time since sometime in season 2, I honestly have no idea where this show is going. I wouldn't be surprised if season 6 starts with the plane experiencing some turbulance and we're sure its going to crash on the island, and then the pilot says, sorry folks, but we're through that and we'll be in LA in 5 hours...

Or, the show can start in 1977 with the explosion getting sucked up in the energy vortex thingy and only Juliet and Sayid are dead.

Or, the show can start in 2008 with the fake John Locke doing whatever.

I think Real John Locke is gone forever from the show, unless that first scenario plays out.

My original theory about the island being the battle ground between the two sons of Alvar Hanso isn't entirely wrong--its still a battle ground, possibly between two brothers, but they far supersede anything to do with Hanso, who is piloting the Blackrock, I believe.

I don't know how much of this, if any, will make sense, but it makes sense in my head. I think Jacob and his "brother" are some sort of immortal beings stuck in some sort of time loop, and that Jacob always dies in 2008, and he figured out a way to use his brother's loophole to his advantage. Meaning, he sacrifices himself in 2008 in order to have the bomb go off in 1977, which makes everything that happens in 2008 pointless. So he brings Locke to the island knowing that his brother is going to have Locke killed off and steal his identity, and that event causes Jack and the rest of them to go back in time, but while his brother is focusing on killing Jacob, Jacob is focusing on how to destroy the island, thus preserving it from all outside forces, and rendering all his brother's efforts moot, and also allowing the time loop to stop happening. So, basically this timeline they're in no longer resets (?) in 2007 or 2008, but begins a new course in 1977.

Personally, I hate the idea of the next season being in 1977, and I really don't think that's going to be the case, but I like the idea of things being reset and played out differently.

I know that, thus far, what has been the least interesting for me was all of the non-flash Off Island stuff. So, if the next season begins with them landings at LAX, I will probably be a little bummed. Similarly, I dont want them to stay in 1977, and living out Miles's scenario (that them setting off the bomb is, in fact, The Incident). So, I dont know what I want or expect to happen.

Whatever it is, we can safely assume the next season is going to focus on Jacob in a way that everything else has just led up to. So even if we begin at LAX we are going to get to Jacob, we are going to how Jacob's "brother" used dead bodies. We are going to get to who or what Christian Shepard is, if he is the same as the new Locke, if the inhabited dead bodies are still their old selves with this new imprint added on, as they retain all of the old memories, obviously (or knowledge of the memories?). I expect that the folk and events in 2008 are going to be re-united and connected to the folk and events in 1977... if for no other reason than they HAVE to do something with Jin and Sun, because this entire season was spent trying to find each other again, they cannot spend the entirety of next season similarly with no resolution, and I dont think they would.

In your scenario, what would Jacob's motivation be to break out of the time loop? Is he just tired? In any event, I like the idea that he manipulated and tricked his brother into killing him, that he has something else going on this whole time and he had to plant all the requisite seeds for his brother to pick up in order to kill him and still think it was all his own doing. The only problem with this is, if this were the case, why would he ask Ilana for help? Why would he risk having anyone come who could stop his death? If Ilana and company had gotten there just ten minutes earlier, and revealed the dead Locke, everything would be different.

Plus, I still want to know what is going on with the cabin. First off, is that Bernard and Rose's cabin? Because that would be sweet. We never SAW Horace build it, we just saw his ghost say he was going to build it. More importantly - who broke the ash circle? They expected to find Jacob in the cabin? And Ilana said, "someone else has been using it" ??? Does that mean his brother was using it? Was his brother pretending to be him? (In as much as his brother has been inhabiting Christian)? Richard said that the statue is where Jacob lives, which is obviously true. So what ever happened at the cabin? If Jacob is the "good" one, who was locking him in the cabin? Why? If Ilana was on his side, wouldnt they want him to be freed from the cabin? I dont get it!

Who is Smokey? Jacob or brother? Or third party?

Where the hell is Claire?

Why havent we still seen the inside of the Temple yet? What's going on there? We know that half of the Others are there in 2008, but we have yet to go past the outer perimeter...

Who the hell are Ilana and company? How does Jacob know them? They obviously speak Latin, so they were probably either Others or children of Others???

Did Eloise and Charles ever speak to Jacob? The real one, or his brother?

Is Richard really an assistant to Jacob? Or is he another pawn being used by Jacob's brother?

Too many questions!!!

Shit is bananas son.

Anyone got a quick way to explain the time loop thing?

The Jacob and his brother time loop thing? No. The Island/Losties time loop thing? Well, we dont know if whatever happened, happened, or not... so, no.

What's the answer to what lies in the shadow of the statue? "He who will protect/save us all."

What were the Greek characters woven into Jacob's tapestry? They were from the Odyssey, "May the gods grant thee all that thy heart desires, May the Gods give you happiness."

What was the point of him weaving a tapestry anyway? Just to pass the time? Nothing else to do, being immortal and constantly hoping for the advancement of the human species when your nemesis is convinced they will never change and are not worthy of such consideration? (I guess there is a lot of mythology about history and existence being woven into a giant tapestry, I suppose it is echoing that kind of significance...)

I think the compass thing is a good analogy to the whole time loop thing.

also, i think it'll be cool if the boat we saw at the beginning wasn't the Black Rock, but the one that returned with the manifesto somehow to be auctioned off.

All my enthusiasm for this show is completely gone. At first, I had thought this whole thing was an elaborately conceived masterpiece the likes of which television has never seen. That there was a specific purpose to every puzzle piece they've shown us. That they had actually come up with a way to do a time travel show without the paradox. But there's going to be so many plot holes and needlessly unexplained things after this is all over that it's not worth investing the devotion to anymore.
I think they'll wrap it all up fine and it'll end up being a good sci-fi type series but there's just too many puzzle piece fingers sticking out at odd angles for it to be anywhere near perfect.

This thing will never be perfect. They even admitted they didn't have an end plan somewhere around Season 2/3. It just chugs along faster now because they have a solid end point.

You gotta watch this for how bananas this all is, for the fun of it. It's hilarious at times and usually so ludicrous it amazes me. It's one helluva guilty pleasure.

That's the whole point, I think... It still amuses me greatly, and makes me excited to see where the hell it could possibly go next... But nothing after Season 2 really shook the earth the way those first two seasons did. It peaked really hard pretty fast, and they have done a great job at riding that wave, and I think they can ride it all the way through the next season in an enjoyable fashion. But for the last two seasons it has been, for me, nothing more than a guilty pleasure. And what almost makes it more fun is not just how ridiculous the show is, but how people react to it still and obsess over it way more than I do still... that makes being part of it kind of fun for me... So it is a guilty pleasure, but not just one of watching a tv show once a week but something kind of bigger. But, come a little more than a year from now, when the series has ended, I wont sit around "missing" any of these characters the way people "miss" other sitcom characters.

That's funny, Nate, because my excitement for the show is at a point it hasn't been since season 1. Loose ends and plotholes are annoying, sure, but for the most part I've been able to accept them as inevitable and go along with what's happening on a week to week basis. I told my roommate that although I can't wait for January to come and I'm eager to see what happens next season, I really feel like that'll be more of a post-coital cigarette, as I think I blew my Lost-load watching this episode.

Also: I think the brother is the smoke monster/Christian/et al, and he's been using Jacob's cabin for a while now, although I don't know when Ben got it into his head to bring Locke there to pretend that's where "Jacob" was, if Ben has never met Jacob, or the fake Jacob.

Also, if the brother is in fact the smoke monster/Locke/Christian/etc, then it's awesome how he took the form of Alex to make Ben think he has to follow whatever "Locke" tells him to do, including killing Jacob. And I love how they made this episode revolve around the faith vs. free will argument--that's been missing a bit this season, I think.

And the battle between Jack and Sawyer was epic. I think with the death of Juliet, Sawyer is going to be a completely different character next season, if he survives in 1977, or if he's alive in 2007/8 with the knowledge of 1977. I could see him killing/attempting to kill Jack.

And Dr. Chang/Waxman/Wick/Candle guy losing his arm was cool--it showed that nothing really changed at all, at least up to the moment that the bomb was detonated.

I agree that I am still really excited about the show, and I actually enjoy the ridicule that it sometimes proffers. While I thought this season was really, really good, I felt like Season 2 was really when the show made its biggest impact, or more precisely Seasons 1 and 2 combined. It blew everyone out of the water, no one knew what was going on, people considered it to be extending and changing the limits of what a television serial could do. And while it is still edgy and giving us continual mind-trips, I don't think it is having the emotional force of those early years, because we are conditioned for the unexpected.

I think I am leaning towards Miles's theory, the bomb WAS the incident, as being more right. If Daniel had not been around to warn Chang and to plan on detonating the bomb, Chang would never have been concerned about the Swan site. He would have never ordered an evacuation which would take both his wife and young Charlotte off of the Island. He would most likely not have been at the Swan work site standing in just the right place to lose his arm.

In addition, I am not sure that the explosion had to kill them. I mean, sure it was an H-Bomb, but this is Lost. Somehow the H-Bomb core reacted with the electromagnetic anomaly in such as way as to redirect the impact of the bomb. MAYBE the bomb did its job... maybe it released all of the energy from the anomaly correctly. Maybe there are more than one anomaly and this events exposed an additional one nearby which becomes the Swan. Or maybe they discharged all of the energy this one had built up, but it just starts filling up with energy again... I know that sounds far fetched, but why could the detonation of the bomb be the equivalent of Desmond's fail safe switch? We don't actually have any clue as to what that switch did. But it would make sense... Chang would have seen this anomaly be taken care of by this bomb and would have known that was the proper mechanism for getting rid of the next one.

Really, with the them having already cut in to the anomaly as deep as they had, how could they fix it? Supposedly they seal it underground with concrete and the like... but I dont imagine that would be all that possible when it is so strong it is tearing down cranes. While it is most surely wrong, I like the idea that the bomb was a fail-safe switch. This anomaly was destroyed, but another one was discovered or this one started to re-fill with energy, and they are able to build the Swan to contain it. As a result of the bomb, everyone in the vicinity of the detonation will go all Desmond, and end up naked in the middle of the jungle somewhere. Maybe in 2008, who knows. All of the Losties were there, right? Sayid and Hurley in the van, Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Miles and Jin, and Juliette. That's how they end up back in the present... (Rose and Bernard stay in the past, hopefully happy). Instead of just getting flashes of the future they move into the future, for whatever reason... maybe it was a bigger blast, maybe because theyre already predisposed to move through time, I dont know...

However, the events of this episode seemingly contradict Richard Alpert's statement to Jin, "I saw them all die." He wasnt anywhere near them when they died. He knew Jack and Sayid took the H-Bomb, and he probably ascertained they were able to set it off... but he certainly wasn't there when it went off. So either that neither kills them nor moves them out of the past and they meet with him again at which point they die, or he's a lair. (Or they changed the past?)

I think that the brother manifesting as the Smoke monster is a good idea. I wonder if somewhere down the line, in his attempts to find a loophole through which to kill Jacob he lost his body, and now the Smoke monster is his truer form, though he can manifest as anyone he wants. It would also make sense as to why the smoke monster goes around killing people. Just like Jacob's nemesis, he doesn't like or trust anyone coming to the Island, he thinks they will just ruin it, so he serves as a heavy-handed protector, just killing folk.

I dont know what I think about who was in the cabin/who did Ben (pretend to) talk to/what is the relationship between Other's (Richard) and the brother... It could be a whole host of things, who was being imprisoned and why, what they know, etc.

Do we think the Others are the inhabitants of the Black Rock? Because The Jacob and brother really gave an air of being entirely alone on the Island. Maybe what the brother was referring to... they only ending up destroying, etc, was looking at the much bigger picture, maybe he was referencing the next 200+ years of history and these descendants of the Black Rock, especially when mixed with other folk Jacob brings to the Island, are merely fulfilling his prophecy?

ALSO - all of the Losties were touched by Jacob. They all had a speciic reason to be on the Island. But for Sayid and Hurley, they were not touched before the original crash. Maybe their coming in the original crash was a mistake, they just happened to be on the plane, accident not destiny, but their presence on the Island proved to Jacob the importance of them coming back, which is why he touched them after they got off.

Plus, it would have been cool to see a Jacob flashback where he touched Charlie. Those jerks, how could they deprive us? Especially after showing us the DS ring?

Yeah, Ben's going to be pissed when he finds out he was played. He's going to become even crazier, in a big way.

I always thought (or assumed, perhaps) that the smoke monster was one on side and that Jacob or Hanso was on the other, and the smoke monster killed some people because it didnt like them and spared some people because it thought it could use them. Which sort of roundaboutly ties into this, but no one's commented on how in the flashbacks Jacob went out of his way to physically touch each of the people who eventually ended up on the island, and how there were a few more "good people" references, such as telling Kate to be good and stop stealing. So I think all this is deliberate, to help set up sides--Smoke Monster vs. Jacob seems like the most plausible scenario in season 6, which means we're going to get a lot more of the Losties running from Smokey, I think.

Also, it makes sense, though for the life of me I couldn't explain why, that the explosion would send all the Losties back in time to the future. And it will be really easy for the writers to show Alpert and some of the Others looking down at the action that's going on and seeing Juliet die and Sayid die and then a big white flash and when the can see again, everyone is gone except for a few random Dharma folk.

What I like about the smoke monster being Mr. X./the one that's not Jacob is it could explain them killing of Eko the way they did. If it checked him out and saw that it wasn't going to be able to manipulate him the way it was with Locke and Ben, so it got rid of him.

But then why did Smokey kill the original pilot, Captain Seth Norris?

As for Jacob touching everyone... the producers had said it would be a "touching" finale, and that's they meant, I am sure. More interesting to me, though... Look at WHEN he came to everyone:

Group 1 - Kate, Locke, Jack, Swayer, Jin and Sun - touched by Jacob BEFORE they ended up the Island... quite possibly his touch is what brought them there, what shaped their destiny

Group 2 - Sayid and Hurley - Touched after they got back from the Island

It seems like Group 1 where people he wanted to come to the Island, it was their destiny, kind of. Group 2, however, were just unfortunate Flight 815 members... but after seeing their usefulness, once they left he wanted them back. So they BECAME special, whereas the other group were special before getting to the Island.

This is flawed, though, because Hurley had contact with The Numbers before coming to the Island, really implying it was his destiny to go there from the beginning. it is still interesting to think about.

Even more interesting - the only person that Jacob explicitly talked to about the Island was Hurley. Everyone else he just touched, but Hurley, well, he went out of his way to not only tell him to go back, but also to tell him that what he had been deeming a curse is actually a blessing. I would LOVE for Hurley to play a bigger role in the mythology of the show, and be more than just comic relief.

I understand you can only do so many flashbacks in an episode, but I really wish they had done a flashback with Jacob touching Charlie, Michael, Walt, and maybe even Boone. Charlie the most, though. We certainly didn't need Juliette's flashback, it was lame and out of place, and probably the only thing about the episode I didnt like. Sure, it was showing us how her conceptualizations about love came from, etc, blah blah blah. But I think all of her speeches to Sawyer and her sacrifice would have been similarly moving without her flashback, potentially even more so as it would have been less cheesy, and then they could have shown Jacob with Charlie and the flashbacks would have ALL been continuous and not have the one oddball, Jacob-free flashback in there.

Here comes the kinda crazy part. It appears that these two guys are not human, and that they are opposing forces, or spirits, fighting this battle of good and evil. What if the MIB and Jacob are both just Smoke Monsters (Jacobs of course being White) or spirits that can only take the form of people who died. What im saying is they have no natural human form and maybe the two men we saw in the beginning of the Finale were two "host" bodies these two were occupying. What triggered this thought is when Bram and Illana are talking and they say that Lapidus is a Candidate. A candidate for what? Maybe a host for jacob to take over now that his old body is burnt to a crisp. Lets not forget, In the pilot episode the pilot of 815 is killed by who? MIB/Smokey. Maybe MIB has prior Knowledge that the pilot of 815 will be of some significant use to jacob as their game plays out. thats why he attacks him. He didnt know that Frank was actually supposed to pilot the flight. this could turn out to be one of the biggest twist in the series. I quote this from Lostpedia in franks bio "Frank J. Lapidus is an aircraft pilot who was originally scheduled to pilot Oceanic Airlines Flight 815. Frank is one of the few people in the world who believe that the wreckage of Oceanic Flight 815 found at the bottom of the Sunda Trench was staged. Matthew Abaddon described him as a "pretty good pilot", but Frank may be an alcoholic with some past issues." and this "He was the original intended pilot of Oceanic 815 but was replaced by Seth Norris under as yet unknown circumstances." yet unknown circumstances like maybe jacob pays Frank a visit and it happens to be in a bar, jacob buys frank some McCutcheon Whiskey. BOOM frank is too hungover to fly the next day. that would be crazy. If this were true i would assume that frank will eventually be killed and Replace jacobs body with his own. im not sure why yet, but it makes sense at least to me. Maybe the first episode title means more than just "the first episode of a tv series" they always said that there was some big clue in The Pilot.

http://forum.lostpedia.com/theory-jacob-nemisis-t36178.html?t=36178

I literally just read that theory about 3 minutes ago. Meh. I had forgotten the "Do you think he's a candidate" line, so that gives it some weight, I suppose. But why would Jacob need to die in order to take a new body? It doesn't seem like his nemesis needed to die in order for that to happen, plus if dying IS in fact what allows him to utilize multiple bodies then Nemesis surely wouldnt want Jacob to have a similar power... The whole last bit, about the series premiere being called "Pilot" as a double entendre is a little too "the light stays on" for me.

There is still a lot we dont know about Ilana and Bram, obviously, and I am excited for all of that to unravel.

This was the theory that I dug:

The whole candidate bit and Jacob becoming him are kinda out there for me too. But I like the idea of the smoke monster having killed the pilot because it knew the Pilot was supposed to fill an important role for Jacob, not realizing it was the wrong person.
Or conversely, killing the pilot because he wasn't the person Smokey wanted in that seat, to use the pilot for it's own purposes.

I like the latter of your theories more. Just an angry, vengeful mofo. Shit doesnt go my way? Fine, then it doesnt go.

I'm going to try and hunt it down, but I have a really detailed theory I wrote that's floating around the internet somewhere. The gist of it is that Jacob brought some people to the island, and his brother (who we now suspect to be the Man in Black) brought some people to the island, and these people are going to fight with each other as pawns for their masters, but there are some people who may switch sides. This is why, what I thought to be at the time Jacob but now know to be the MiB, Eko wasn't killed originally--because there was some suspicion that he may be useful, but then he was killed later after he was deemed no longer trustworthy. So most everyone fell into one of three categories: Jacob's minions, MiB's minions, or unlucky/random elements, who will either be killed or persuaded to join a side. I even wrote out the list of which characters fell into which of the three categories. I think I wrote this theory up around the end of season 2 or sometime during season 3, so maybe I can find it here in the Cult archives, but goddamn I hate our new search function...

I just listened to the final podcast until ComicCon, which was an interview with Michael Emerson, which just reminded me why I like that man so much. He is an incredible actor and seems like a genuine and funny guy. Plus, and this is something I didnt realize, his wife is the Carrie Preston, who plays the ditzy red head, Arlene, in "True Blood."

I wonder if they will have any sort of ARG going this summer. I never really take part in those things, but theyre interesting all the same. I prefer the small, teaser kind of things they do which are less consequential, such as the Ajira website they launched last summer, etc.

New question:

If Jacob asked Ilana to come help him, did he also ask her to bring Sayid along? Must have been, because she knew that she wasn't going to Guam...

I finally finished season 5 and...

I think that the H bomb was just 'the incident' that the Dharma people were talking about though. Every other attempt to change the future was just stepping stones to what already happened, I don't see why this would be different.

I can buy turning some old wheel to get them to jump through time but how or why is an H bomb going off supposed to jump them all back to the present? Surely, they will all be back there for the final season, but that being how they get there is a bit too much of a stretch for me to believe.

It is probably not the bomb itself, but the massive release of the stored electromagnetic energy. Just like the Hatch explosion made Desmond all wonky, this would be the same thing but on a bigger scale...