Avril Lavigne to cover Metallica at tribute
what quote? and xchuck, mtv never played much punk cause it wasnt popular and hardly ever was on a top 40 until the late 90's and early 00's, so yes cause of avril and pther puss/pop-punk real punk is a fashion and not music. and sorry lenoard i have no clue what your talkin about lol
in a way yes disx, but it was avril who told us that this fashion was "cool" and brought it out into malls and houses and family television
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ohhhh, yeah its from fight club the movie
I thought Good Charlotte and all that stuff were around before Avril? I dunno, I just heard about her recently, apparently I'm sheltered. I thought Blink 182 started the whole pop-punk thing?
Yeah. Blink, Offspring, and Green Day. I used to like them when I was young, dumb, and immature. Sort of reflects the kind of music they play.
Their old stuff isn't too bad, and that's what I was into when I was I guess 10-12ish? Dammit was a cool song, and Dookie & Ignition were great albums.
yeah good charolette was around a couple years before punk turned popular and what not, but their old stuff has been turned into videos full of a bunch of unpopulars hanging out being cool to each other and rebelling against the one thing they know to rebela t: the norms. how original is that, i mean i dont think rebelling aainst normal people has ever been done beofre. we have a big good charolette picture drawn by some students on a wall in our school. im gonna X it out with black paint and right below it "You Are Not The Music You Listen To", anyone got any suggestions if i should write something different? it hasta be fightclub or at least Chuck related though
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Becks77 [/i]
[B]Because fags are stupid. Sorry dont mean to offend anyone, thats just how i feel. [/B][/QUOTE]
You feel...that fags are stupid. Do you think fags are stupid too?
I have to disagree with KNoxville. Avril was not really the launcher of punk in the pop icon fashion blah blah. Blink 182 were around with the new wave of 'punk'. I use the term loosely. Let's examine. Punk was a phenom in the late 70's and 80's with bands like the clash, sex pistols etc playing loud, thrashy, trashy music that was designed to inflame with a sometimes anarchic, most times anti-establishment flare. It originated in England, in revolt against the class system there which really is quite different to the US.
The genre flourished and the makeshift style of punk followers spread. Punk was a fashion, just like goth and just like the kkk (ha ha). But punk itself is manifested in different ways. There's fashion, there's lifestyle and there's music. Music would be the archetypal plain of existance for punk though, as it was this mode of expression Johnny Rotten and his cohorts chose. The clothes were just a by-product.
Flash to the late ninties and punk had died out of the mainstream. Grunge had taken over but now it too was dying out. Greenday survived and so too did the offspring. They floated about and then cocky media labelled "brat bands" like Blink came around. They fused the hard guitars of punk and even metal with pop melodies that made the counterculture music easier to swallow. Pop punk became popular and as more bands grew from it, like sum 41 and good charlotte, the look of punk - in a dulited way - came back. Checkered pants, grandpa hats and high socks sprouting from converse boots became the thing to wear if you dug the more reggae influenced punk of now (ska is a kind of wierd bastard child to the pop punk of now) Offspring and to a lesser extent Greenday brought in the pop edge and had success also. The look held by the fans became synonymous with the music, even if the bands themselves didn't wear it.
Cut to now. The boy and girl bands are dropping in the desert of music and fading away, while their singers take on solo careers and swell with rap collaborators. As britney and her spawn of demons also begin to fade, someone realised the 'bad' image was becoming hip, with actual thought inspired rock becoming popular (stripes strokes vines and anything else beginning with 'the'), so they pushed this on their own little starlet and threw in the look and vanacular the youth of now dig (sms text language like 'sk8r boi) and succesfully judged the climate. Now we see Aguilera going 'Dirrty' and Britney dueting with rappers, also the exagerrated bad boys of now. To say Avril inspired the launch of this watered down punk is simply not true. And i'd say a big reason that punk is so poorly interpretted by American bands is - aside from the time changing - the issues the bands of then felt with Britain do not exist with the bands of now in the US.
And i'm spent.
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and also, don't be going all homophobic Becks77. It's unfounded, generalised and unproductive. A person is stupid because of their sexual preference as much as a person is stupid because of their eye colour.
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Ok ill try to work on not hating gay people so much. I know that it is a fault that i have and i'm trying to not be so mean because i try to respect everyones preferences in life.
You know im going to lose
Gamblings for fools
But thats the way i like it
I dont want to live forever
That was a nice thing to say. I hope you stick to your promise.
Ok, I apologize if I'm repeating things here, but I'm coughing up lungs left and right 'cause I'm sick and pretty much don't have the patience or attention span to go through all this stuff. Anyway, my two bits...
Avril Lavigne is punk? Since when? I mean, if this bastardization of punk music is now defined as THE punk, I guess it's true, but certainly not from where I'm standing. Punk wasn't, as far as I know, really about the music or image. Well, they contributed to the ultimate factor, but they weren't what punk was about. Punk was about rebellion, about doing something different. It's more of a social movement than a musical one. It's my understanding that the music is just a way to get a message across, like the posi-core bands. Avril just doesn't fit this description. Maybe her music is completely and entirely punk, I haven't listened to it, so I don't know. But simply by her being a social icon on television and radio automatically removes her from the punk genre. Perhaps I'm incredibly wrong, but this is just my understanding of "punk." As for her doing a cover of Metallica, while I think their images clash a bit, image has never been a factor in good music. We'll just have to wait and listen.
P.S. I really can't stand Limp Bizkit. Korn's a little better but not much. It helps a shitload that they don't have Fred Durst.
KL)PPER> COW SHIT > FAGETALLICA > GAY KORN > LIMP FAGET > AVRIL TEH FAGET > BANE TEH STUPID FAGET
I guess I don't see why people hate watered-dwon punk so much. It's kind of like starter food for real punk; because of bands like Blink, which I listened to when I was in junior high, I am much more appreciative of real punk music now. I'm not saying I'm huge into punk; I love jazz and alt more than anything else. But let's be honest with ourselves: Would you rather spend an eternity listening to Avril and Blink and Green Day or Britney and the Backstreet Boys?
Ding-dong, bubble-gum pop is dead.
And Limp Bizkit totally sucks.
There is hope, but not for us.
Anyone who claims that punk rock is not about image is living in a fantasy world. If you have seen the lengths that punk fans will go to just to show off how totally against the man they are, it's clear that the bigger mohawks and the more pins and spikes make the bigger punk. When you're punk, everyone has to know about it. It's about being yourself though, of course, fighting trends of course, but they all look the same, of course.
P.S. Fags are cool.
P.P.S. 3 Dolla Bill Y'all is and will remain to be a great album.
Also, all this talk about what is what.......Music today is just a melting pot. Soon there will be so many genres so one will care anymore.
Except for the punks.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valchrist [/i]
[B]Anyone who claims that punk rock is not about image is living in a fantasy world. If you have seen the lengths that punk fans will go to just to show off how totally against the man they are, it's clear that the bigger mohawks and the more pins and spikes make the bigger punk.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ok, image certainly contributed to the punk movement, but all I was saying was that it looking different wasn't the primary objective. As you said yourself, it's "to show off how totally against the man they are." Punk is about rebellion in so many more forms than image alone.
Yeah, in theory it is, but I knew lots of kids back in high school that were blatantly in it for the image. it's the punk cliche. They didn't have any political views other than knowing that "anarchy is totally kewl, fuk authority!" which is just so easy to say. But hey, they had mohawks and spiked leather so they were punked the fuck out, mang.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]avril lavigne has turned punk music into a fashion...before avril, punk was about the music, now its about a look.[/B][/QUOTE]
I hates ta break it to ta, knoxy, but people have been saying this about punk since, oh, 1976...
I've never heard Avril, or Tatu for that matter - though, yes, I am aware of who they are. But I have nothing personal against them. Avril is not punk. Blink 182 are not punk. Bizkit, Korn, and the Offspring _also_ not punk. There are hundreds of punk bands out there right now, but if you have heard them on the radio or seen their video, chances are they aren't punk. It's sad that I even have to say this.
Sad because you think you are the authority on what is and is not punk?
Yeah, that is sad.
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now we're arguing over if something fits into a ertain genre? that's sad. if you like it, yay, if not, oh well. it may very well fit into your category, like it or not. you can't qualify or disqualify something based on if you like it or not.
I agree with the whole blending of genre thing. I have yet to have 'emo' sufficinetly explained to me. According to some of my friends I like emo because I'm a Dashboard Confessionals/Bright Eyes freak but I still don't understand what it is. I'm not really sure if I believe it's a real thing or not.
There is hope, but not for us.
I've already said all this 
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trypdwyre [/i]
[B]now we're arguing over if something fits into a ertain genre? that's sad. if you like it, yay, if not, oh well. it may very well fit into your category, like it or not. you can't qualify or disqualify something based on if you like it or not. [/B][/QUOTE]
Whether or not you, me, or anyone else _likes_ something has nothing to do with it being or not being "punk". And vice-versa. That's an odd response...
Calling Avril, Sum182, or even Tom Waits "punk" doesn't make them "punk". You can call a baseball an apricot all you want. Both are perfectly wonderful things, but the latter is too squishy to hit with a bat and eating the former can be detrimental to your health.
Come to think of it, Tom Waits - in his own fashion - is way more punk than any of the aforementioned groups.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valchrist [/i]
[B]Sad because you think you are the authority on what is and is not punk?
Yeah, that is sad. [/B][/QUOTE]
I had a mohawk when you were a fetus. I recognise that this in no way makes me an "authority".
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jane s. [/i]
[B] I have yet to have 'emo' sufficinetly explained to me. [/B][/QUOTE]
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Okay, I'm just being a smart-ass now.
She didn't mean that Emo, you idiot.
She meant this one
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XChuck [/i]
[B]I don't agree with that. Before MTV, punk was about music. Now it's about look. [/B][/QUOTE]
wow XChuck- I agree with that completely.
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The real wow here is that Mtv is older than XChuck. Still, a pretty reasonable observation on his part.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Valchrist [/i]
[B]She didn't mean that Emo, you idiot.
She meant this one
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I am horribly [b]ashamed[/b] that this is not the first thing that came to me. Stupid brain lllleisions.
1) I quoted with the image because this world needs more Emo right now. And I do mean Mr. Philips.
2) I'm gonna keep replying to myself until I get distracted by something shiny.
Oooh! lookie
WAAAAAAA HA HA AHA HA HAHA!
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You guys, please stop posting that photo, it's scaring the crap out of me. I had an honest question and you put up this freaky-lookin mime guy. Who the hell is that?!
There is hope, but not for us.
That's Emo!
WHAT?!
See, this is why I don't think emo really exists. Just like Gilligan's Island.
There is hope, but not for us.
anyhew, sice I missed out on the whole metallica tribute thing before it span out of control into a 'what is punk?' argument, here's a few of my opinions:
Avril will probably do one of those teenybopper songs like matters, fuel, or sandman. most likely sandman, cos when you mention metallica here I live, you get 'yeah, I love that enter night song...'
limp bizkit should be killed. that is all.
Korn would do a pretty good job, but probably on one of the justice or lighning songs.
tool should play, simply cos maynard is god. cradle of filth would also be interesting.
That's my rant, check with me later when I feel like another one.
Someone feed the monkey while I dig in search of china
White as Dracula as I approach the bottom.
jane, emo is the worst thing ever.
you should stop listening to dashboard right now.
i fucking hate that band more than anything else in the world.
he is slowly climbing up the list of ppl i could kill if i could get away with it.
scott stapp (of creed) will always be #1
will chris c. be #2?????
Leave Chris Carraba alone! He and I are going to get married and have little emo children!
Last night I went out with one of my guy friends and I started ragging on him b/c he hates emo, so he went home and made me a Mindless Self-Indulgence CD. It's pretty much the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
There is hope, but not for us.
no. i hate him so much.
he embodies all that is wrong in the world
*Goes off to cry*
Happy 100 posts to you, though. Just cause I'm nice like that.
There is hope, but not for us.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm watching it right now! She's doing Burn For Fuel (or whatever it's called), and she's doing such a horrible, horrible job! HAHAHAHAHA!
Haha, Snoop Dog is going to do a Metalica song.
Yeah, let's revive this thing. Did anybody catch it other than XChuck? What'd they think of it? Was it really all that bad?
I still stand by my whole love for Chris Carraba. Just in case anyone cares.
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My friends and I saw him at the mall one day. Two fo the guys I was with at the time, were ex-fans of his, they had both really really liked him before he 'sold out'. One guy was like "man, i'm so gonna walk over to him and be like "this is what you get for selling out asshole" and punch him in the stomach"
That would've been great. Course, it didn't happen. =\
How has Chris sold out when the average person who listens to teenybopper shite still doesn't know who he is?
There is hope, but not for us.
Well supposedly he re-made one of his records just for MTV... But I'm not really a Dashboard fan, so I wouldn't know.
To me Chris Carraba isn't the epitomy of what is wrong with music, but instead he's the epitomy of what is wrong with the youth culture. This fucking "emo" thing has gotten out of hand.
I don't know about you but it pisses me off that "emo" is a way to dress for kids that are too stupid to find a logical way of expressing themselves. For "bands" like that, its never the music and it's all about the message, which is nothing more than musical bitching.
What do these kids that have never been poor, that have never suffered domestic abuse, that always have been provided for all their lives have to whine about? Tough luck with the ladies? Grow the fuck up and deal with it. And the fact that Carraba has willingly made himself the poster-boy for all of this bullshit has earned him whatever label he receives as a result.
Geez that was a lot of writing. I really don't care all [i]that[/i] much. Actually, I don't hate him, or his music, just what he represents.
ps. Jane I read that cummings poem today in class with some of his other stuff. It's like the only poetry I've ever liked. Strange.
Then again, I might be wrong.
"What do these kids that have never been poor, that have never suffered domestic abuse, that always have been provided for all their lives have to whine about?"
That, in itself, can be something to whine about. I agree about some of it, I'm not too into the whole emo thing, and whining is annoying.. But having everything provided for you.. you just feel useless, you don't feel alive. Or maybe I'm wrong.. I'm just trying to see that side, I'm kinda in and kinda not in that boat... But everyone has something to be upset about. And you can't really just toss out their views cos you don't agree... I dunno, oh well.
"avril lavigne has turned punk music into a fashion."
You give her too much credit.
Punk was always a fashion, just a counter-culture one.