The Game --- Otherwise Women Won't Like You!

I think my favourite part of the book, however, was seeing how it all backfired disastrously. The dynamics between the pickup artists themselves --- that's more interesting than the actual seduction thing, which ends up being a bit repetitive.

Does anyone know who the pornstar he couldnt get it up for?

[QUOTE=Clem;922237]I hope you're not implying Courtney Love is on the same level as Paris Hilton and Britney Spears.[/QUOTE]

no actually C. Love is a significant part of the story, shes not someone they hit on. I don't want to spoil anything but her and the author have some odd circumstances that leads to her actually being a major part of the last 1/4 of the story.

I would like to add that anybody who reads this book better not be as stupid to think that you can do exactly what they do and get laid effortlessly. The idea is to teach you that being attractive to a women takes some creativity some cunning yet funny strategy and to get rid of any sense of neediness, fear of loss, and desperation. Its not a mathmatic equation, its more so an example to help inspire your own attractive social strategies to get the most out of your single life.

Cause as great as i was at dating and picking up chicks it all goes out the window once you start a relationship cause all my same issues i could ignore while being a care free dating swinger all came back once i started to care for a women and feel like you have something to lose.

Basically if you want to be a successful single male find some new strategies beyond buying her a drink telling her she has pretty eyes and hoping your "lucky" and she gets interested in you cause you have said and done the same thing she has heard a guy do and say her whole life. Find some creativity and some flare be bold be daring and be a fun guy to talk to without any expecations beyond a good laugh and just the mere potential of an opportunity of something more if she sends the right signals.

My biggest concern for the guys who take this pickup community very seriously, like it's a matter of life, death or masturbation, is that most of them are brainless in their approaches. They used other people's canned openers, as if they're too stupid to come up with their own. In the book's final chapters, the women Strauss meets complain that they've already heard everything he's telling them from several different guys before him.
The "jealous girlfriend" opener is the most-repeated opener. "Hey guys, let me get your opinion on something... My friend's dating a guy who stills speaks to his ex..." It's even more embarrassing than a cheesy pickup line if you get caught, because you're not just being sleazy, you're [I]lying[/I] and getting caught.
Strauss isn't really an exceptional writer, but he does capture the superficiality of his "followers" well.

[QUOTE=xec8;923680]My biggest concern for the guys who take this pickup community very seriously, like it's a matter of life, death or masturbation, is that most of them are brainless in their approaches. They used other people's canned openers, as if they're too stupid to come up with their own. In the book's final chapters, the women Strauss meets complain that they've already heard everything he's telling them from several different guys before him.
The "jealous girlfriend" opener is the most-repeated opener. "Hey guys, let me get your opinion on something... My friend's dating a guy who stills speaks to his ex..." It's even more embarrassing than a cheesy pickup line if you get caught, because you're not just being sleazy, you're [I]lying[/I] and getting caught.
Strauss isn't really an exceptional writer, but he does capture the superficiality of his "followers" well.[/QUOTE]

That is a great point. I do know of a few guys who struggled with this idea.

I took it one step past that and i ask for real opinions on subjects that women are interested in.

"I had two friends dating one was acting like a sleaze ball and being dishonest and the other one was naively infactuated and in love with the other.... what would you do?"

or "my dad likes to go to the same bar as me and hang out with me my friends, How would you and your friends feel if your parents did this?"

Those were two example i have used to generate a conversation

Its better to start a conversation with either A. asking for an opinion (a real one) B. Making a witty observation to start a chain of joking banter or even speaking in a fantasy/roleplaying way and C. Giving advice about something

Then after you do one of these 3 things you can casually and comfortably give that person the opportunity to feel attracted to you without any pressure or sense of a selfish motive.

The rule of thumb for all men to follow is:
NEVER HIT ON A WOMEN UNTIL SHE SHOWS ATTRACTION TO YOU! the approach is not some gimicky lie to seduce a women, its only the presentation of an opportunity for her to indirectly tell you "I want you to seduce me" or for her to inderictly say "your a fun guy but not my type" there is no rejection, there is no crash and burn or embarrassment. Women are extremely ambivalent creatures, you never know what type is her type and sometimes not even she knows it until she finds that person and that person can end up to be you if you give her the right opportunity.

[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;924069]Women are extremely ambivalent creatures[/QUOTE]
You are an extremely patronising creature, both for women and for men.

More seriously you don't realise that all you are offering us is a set of techniques. They are definitely valuable : they are based on the same foundations as the whole field of advertisement and sales, which prove their efficiency every day. On the other hand they are simply tools, applied psychology. True learning lies in the understanding of more profound principles, and engulfs not only the strategy of seduction, but also the way one interacts with women, our self image, and our own vision of how to live our lives.

To take an analogy, martial arts can be learned in a basic way, as a method to bash other people's heads, or it can help us understand the true nature of conflict and change us more deeply.

I agree with franc about the difference between using it for purposes of destruction and using it for an indepth appreciation of how people work. One of my friends paid me to give him dating advice, and one of the questions he kept asking me was: "Is it okay to lie if it makes you bond with her?"
What do you [I]think[/I], asshole? The point is to be authentic or you'll never have a real connection.
I created a free account in one of those forums to read their posts, and I was amazed to see that some of those guys actually fabricate entire "real-life stories" to "demonstrate higher value" to the girls. To the point where they'll use each other's personal stories to impress someone. Maybe I'm naive, but that feels way wrong.
These techniques are effective, but that means you ought to be responsible with them. If on my date today I'd told an impressive story that I'd read in someone else's post, she would no doubt have been impressed, but it would have amounted to the same as playing Dungeons and Dragons with someone who took me seriously.
Not cool.

Not cool and definitely not the best way to build a lasting relationship.

One can always fool someone into buying your shit, but what's the use if you compromise any chance of making a faithful customer out of him/her ?

Yeah i have always frowned upon the lies and fabricated stories, cause what if you end up in a relationship and that comes back to bite you in the ass, and its much easier to tell a story that happened to you (for me at least)

They call it displaying higher value.

I think you can display high value in a very genuine honest sincere way, just by standing up for what you believe and not hidding and sugar coating any of your feelings.

What i needed to learn was more so on the self esteem side, i needed to learn a few techniques that gave me the confidence to talk to attractive women without fear of rejection and without trying to purchase thier affection.

All my best Seductions the past year and up to the last one (been dating for 3 months now) have all been credited to the observational techiniques of reading a womens signals and clues of her interest in me, then reacting to the clues in a way that builds comfortable sexual tension.

It sucks that theres alot of Jack offs using the material in a very un original way, but the way i absorbed this inforation was: Learning how to have an equal shot at having as much of a seductive strategy as a women in any interaction. I just wanted a more even battle field for once.

Women seem to understand alot of these things naturally, Like a women will appear and act as if she wants to have sex, then she will deny herself that pleasure cause she is aware of the seductive power that results in building up sexual tension and then turning cold and leaving the man to his imagination.

Now when a women does this move with the right guy and the right timeing She is seen by the man as more of a challenge.

nobody would say that girl is being dishonest or manipulative, Shes protecting herself from being to easy and not enough of a challenge, not only does that protect her from sleeping with a sleeze it also creates more attraction from the male "the want what you cant have"

Guys have the abillity and opportunity to create the same affect, But it doesnt work the same way, guys should have a more social/emotional play hard to get strategy.

To sum it up

Women must challenge men in a physical sense to build initial attraction

and

Men have to challenge a women socially/emotionally to build initial attraction.

now were purely speaking of initial attraction, later on both parties have to challenge each other both ways to have anything more than a phone number/first date

Like the name of the book, its a game. A game that can be played by both sex's equally.

I dont condone lying or fabricating, but i can definately relate to people who feel like they are missing a piece of the puzzle and can use some guidance.

That, or you can be masculine and likeable.

[QUOTE=jane s.;913247]Jason has a copy of this book and he loves it. I read some of it online and I find it to be some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever laid my eyes on. I told him it was antifeminist and misogynist, which it is, and as Liz said, the girls who go along with this aren't exactly overflowing with self-confidence.[/QUOTE]

There's this David Angelo character who's selling the same sort of thing. Somehow I got on his free email list, what he uses to try and lure you in to buy his how-to. Some of it does get pretty misogynistic, but some of it seems to make sense. Insisting on not buying women drinks, for instance, I can dig it, if for no other reason because that song's been played so much. Finding another way to introduce yourself would, by itself, set you apart, right?

[QUOTE=xec8;913433]For the desperate guy who at thirty is involuntarily a virgin and is simply hopeless with women, I can see why this seduction community could be a life-saver.
The piece of advice I actually happily gleaned from this book is the idea of a "freezeout." If she won't put out because of "last minute resistance," you simply say "Okay" and go check your email or something while she lies in bed wondering what the hell happened.
That's funny![/QUOTE]

I think if a guy is an involuntary virgin at 30, it's probably time to think Escort Service.

[QUOTE=Thag;921535]I filled out an eHarmony profile last night.[/QUOTE]

I've been on there for a few months, they got me to sign up for three months on a deal. I've been very, very disappointed. The few matches I've had have all bailed before you get to the open communication stage, and most of them haven't been any great loss. One was intriguing, but she closed out as soon as she saw my profile. I have like one that's still an open contact, but she responds to shit so slowly my three months will be up before we get to 'open communication.'

Given the dismal results I got from Yahoo Personals, I figured this would be a step up. But at least I got a couple of dates with the personals thing. Psychotic dates, but still.

[QUOTE=Spike;924252]That, or you can be masculine and likeable.[/QUOTE]

Oof. Threadcloser.

[QUOTE=Spike;924252]That, or you can be masculine and likeable.[/QUOTE]

some men of this generation for whatever reasons or excuse have missed out on all of these social/dating skills, and women will agree the average man does not know how to confidently and casually generate a genuine conversation and build attraction and sexual tension in an original way.

So if your excluded from this, props you probably have a good single life and are dating the kind of women you really want to date.

If your not one of these naturals and your sick of hearing the words "um...i have to use the washroom just wait here"

or more infamously if your sick of counting how many times the women you desired said "lets just be friends"

then stop searching for low self-esteeem chicks on myspace and learn a thing or two about social dynamics. Dont let some cocky natural make you feel like your a loser cause you had to do some studying to be fair competition. The information is there to be used in as many good ways as it can be bad and theres nothing to be ashamed of.

Call it a cosmo for men, im fine with that, i got what i needed with the material and improved an important aspect of my life.

I really, really want to get in on this arguement and post some good meaty thoughts but this is all so ridiculous even I can't believe it

[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;924279]I really, really want to get in on this arguement and post some good meaty thoughts but this is all so ridiculous even I can't believe it[/QUOTE]
Don't let that stop you. Most threads here end up that way eventually!

[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;924276]some men of this generation for whatever reasons or excuse have missed out on all of these social/dating skills, and women will agree the average man does not know how to confidently and casually generate a genuine conversation and build attraction and sexual tension in an original way.

So if your excluded from this, props you probably have a good single life and are dating the kind of women you really want to date.

If your not one of these naturals and your sick of hearing the words "um...i have to use the washroom just wait here"

or more infamously if your sick of counting how many times the women you desired said "lets just be friends"

then stop searching for low self-esteeem chicks on myspace and learn a thing or two about social dynamics. Dont let some cocky natural make you feel like your a loser cause you had to do some studying to be fair competition. The information is there to be used in as many good ways as it can be bad and theres nothing to be ashamed of.

Call it a cosmo for men, im fine with that, i got what i needed with the material and improved an important aspect of my life.[/QUOTE]
So, let's clarify something: Has this material worked very well for you? Have you been able to get the women you wanted into your life thanks to things mentioned in this book?
I'm curious about this. Have you created two or more meaningful relationships by using the same opening lines? If so, did this feel wrong at any point?
Have you ever attended one of those bootcamps? What were the other men like there?
And most importantly: Are you happier because of this seduction community, or just less horny, or both?

you guys suck. that book was great. keyword: WAS. the pick up artist community has come so far since then that the book is almost obsolete. their system is constantly shifting and reinventing itself. it's not about using routines and cheesy lines to get laid. it's not anti-feminist or mysoginistic. investigate it more. it's more about improving yourself and raising your self esteem and confidence. it's about communication and social training and storytelling. it's about meeting quality women and actually keeping them around, not having sex with them just once or not at all. i have attracted numerous attractive women from what i've learned from the community and ex-girlfriends are knocking on my door again. i am enriched. JANE.

and what's wrong with learning to seduce women? that's what we're here for: survival and replication.

done.

You know, I may be knocking on your door and shit, but you don't need to be bringing that up in public.

I wanna learn!

I got some IOIs from a HB8 while sarging last night. When I tried to #-close her, she LJBF'd me. Should I have DHV'd her more?

everyone arguing [i]for[/i] this book really reminds me of the way skinheads argue that they aren't racist

[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;926140]everyone arguing [i]for[/i] this book really reminds me of the way skinheads argue that they aren't racist[/QUOTE]
Don't be hatin' on the PUAs, you AFC!
To quote from the first page of The Game ---
"Don't hate the player.
Hate the game."

I wanna f-close some HBs as soon as I reach S3. With the right Kino and the swift execution of some NLP I'll be laid like a porn star!

Seriously, this PUA jargon is addictive as hell! As soon as I finished the book I wanted to start a club for non-PUAs who talk like PUAs.

Like wiggaz tryin' 2 b niggaz!

I have really good results from what the comunity taught me.

after a year of being single dating and sleeping around i found the kind of woman i wanted and have started a great relationship with lots of potential.

The thing that i found most beneficial from the comunity is the observational skills of looking for signs on when and how strongly to go for flirting, kissing, number closing, or even when she just wants a one night stand.

There is a strategy to seduction, almost all women have one (not noticed but its there) and i can honestly say i have my very own unique genuine strategy of creating sexual tension, excitement, and attraction with as many women as i have time for.

The funny thing is, i have developed a reputation as a player, and i embraced it and just laughed and i swear it has made me even more attractive. "The desired are the most desirable"

so im very happy with my dating/social life. and i would credit 40% of it to what i learned from the pua comunity 50% of it to just my base personality and 10% of it on my looks/appearence

Dude, this is totally Cultish and wierd.

Welcome to the 21st Century I guess.

Yep folks, stuff like this actually exists.

I once filled out an eharmony survey just too see what it said, and it told me I was incompatable.

I kinda wish we could just go back to the days of arraigned marriages.

[QUOTE=Thag;926673]Dude, this is totally Cultish and wierd.

Welcome to the 21st Century I guess.

Yep folks, stuff like this actually exists.[/QUOTE]
How is your eharmony thing going? Or are you not allowed to talk about it?

I am chickening out.

.. just the whole thing wierds me out and plus maybe I like being a wierd loner guy.

What about your big throbbing clock?

[QUOTE=Vendetta;926689]What about your big throbbing clock?[/QUOTE]

That makes me feel dirty.

Sorry. I should stop trying to make rude jokes.
You know Puff Daddy though? He's afraid of clowns.

i had a friend who was using eharmony, i guess i undermined her efforts by pointing out what i saw as peculurarities in the personalities of her suitors.

Oddly, before I realized what was going on, I just cleaned both my monitors and proceeded to wipe every speck of dust off my desk.

This was not a "metaphor" or anything. Totally without thinking.

I'm just curious about this whole internet romance thing. I don't want one for myself but I'm interested to know about how they start and how they progress.

Is this a socially acceptable thing now? I don't know what to make of it. I think going into bars and chatting girls up is a foul way to start a relationship, but how is meeting someone on the internet any better or worse? How else do people meet people for romance? etc.

[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;926658]I have really good results from what the comunity taught me.

after a year of being single dating and sleeping around i found the kind of woman i wanted and have started a great relationship with lots of potential.[/QUOTE]

would you tell or show her this book with all this "advice" in it and explain how it helped you snag her?
if the answer is no then something is fucked up with it

Dating services... what comes after the commercial?
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[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;924276]some men of this generation for whatever reasons or excuse have missed out on all of these social/dating skills, and women will agree the average man does not know how to confidently and casually generate a genuine conversation and build attraction and sexual tension in an original way.

So if your excluded from this, props you probably have a good single life and are dating the kind of women you really want to date.

If your not one of these naturals and your sick of hearing the words "um...i have to use the washroom just wait here"

or more infamously if your sick of counting how many times the women you desired said "lets just be friends"

then stop searching for low self-esteeem chicks on myspace and learn a thing or two about social dynamics. Dont let some cocky natural make you feel like your a loser cause you had to do some studying to be fair competition. The information is there to be used in as many good ways as it can be bad and theres nothing to be ashamed of.

Call it a cosmo for men, im fine with that, i got what i needed with the material and improved an important aspect of my life.[/QUOTE]

Not that you would know anything about being a cocky womanizer, right? I can only imagine the deep bond that you have with a woman you met while sleeping around for a year. What, you needed to find one who would go for an open relationship? Surely she's just [I]brimming[/I] with self-confidence.

[QUOTE=Vendetta;926698]I'm just curious about this whole internet romance thing. I don't want one for myself but I'm interested to know about how they start and how they progress.

Is this a socially acceptable thing now? I don't know what to make of it. I think going into bars and chatting girls up is a foul way to start a relationship, but how is meeting someone on the internet any better or worse? How else do people meet people for romance? etc.[/QUOTE]
Internet is socially acceptable now. At least for certain age groups.

It's still wierd.

HooRah to everyone's comments bashing the Game.

is there a difference between this book and just going into some bar with a rolled up pair of socks down your pants?

[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;926717]is there a difference between this book and just going into some bar with a rolled up pair of socks down your pants?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if the techniques in the book don't work you can bash the girl over the head with it and take her home.

If you had the sock, you'd have to fill it with something to make it successfull.

but you could use the sock as a garotte

The sock would become imbued with crotch stink. You could just chloroform the gal with it.

[QUOTE=Vendetta;926726]The sock would become imbued with crotch stink. You could just chloroform the gal with it.[/QUOTE]

you'd just want to knock her out, not kill her !

Is that what these Gamers want? Unconscious women? Why not just get one of those Realdolls.

Do you have to pay to use eHarmony? Is it closely moderated?
Also, do you think that somewhere there is an ultra secret seduction community for women? Maybe it's all a big seduction conspiracy.
I don't feel safe!

[QUOTE=xec8;926737]Do you have to pay to use eHarmony? Is it closely moderated?
Also, do you think that somewhere there is an ultra secret seduction community for women? Maybe it's all a big seduction conspiracy.
I don't feel safe![/QUOTE]
They've had "The Rules" for years. I hate the rules.

the only replies i got from eharmony were from single mothers. eharmony scares me.

p.s. my last girlfriend knew all about the book and the other stuff i learned.

[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;926705]would you tell or show her this book with all this "advice" in it and explain how it helped you snag her?
if the answer is no then something is fucked up with it[/QUOTE]

I have explained it to her, and she was surprised by it. She said why couldn't you just be yourself and not really think about it.

my reply was "how many men do you classify as being a stalker who make ridiculous attempts of calling you trying to take you out on a date without building attraction first"

her reply was 3, she even has them labeled as stalker 1,2, and 3

then my reply to that is, if it wasn't for that book and community i would have been called "stalker 4" cause i would be making the same pathetic "can i buy your affection so maybe i can fuck you" approach.

Instead i had a confident vibe cocky in a funny way with a slight sexual undertone and i had other women to date so that none of my actions and personality was skewed by desperation and loneliness. I would socially push her and then she would pull, i would begin to pull her and then she would push. I knew exactly when to begin physically flirting with her, i knew exactly when to kiss her. and when we had sex it wasn't a waiting game for her permission, I pushed her buttons the right way and i gave her what she wanted when she wanted it.

I personally would have done none of this if it wasn't for this community, By all means if you grasp all these seductive concepts thats awesome! not everyone needs a book or manual to be satisfied with their dating life. But if you feel you could be doing more, or if you feel inadequate or not good enough to attract the type of women you desire.... then feel no shame in doing some research and improving your life.

I take back anything negative I said. It's still weird. I think it's the whole way you refer to "the community".

[QUOTE=kniPnIytterPRM;926715]Not that you would know anything about being a cocky womanizer, right? I can only imagine the deep bond that you have with a woman you met while sleeping around for a year. What, you needed to find one who would go for an open relationship? Surely she's just [I]brimming[/I] with self-confidence.[/QUOTE]

Thats a bit presumptious to make that statement.

I had guidelines to dating, I would not limit how many women i dated and in sacrifice i limited how far things would go sexually, so things would escalate with one woman and if it got to the point of sex was irresistable i would cool it off with the other women in respect to the current sexual partner. then things didnt work out blah blah and i would pursue other women.

Every single women who asked me "are you dating other women" my repsonse was ALWAYS! "yes" sometimes that would turn them off and they would pass on me and sometimes they were up for the challenge.

whats wrong with having options, I actually preferred it when a women i was casually dating also had some other interests.

I had sex when the moments/circumstances naturally lead to that outcome. it was NEVER a goal of mine, having that goal/agenda makes you less attractive, but being open comfortable and flirtive with sex is extremely attractive. I always had a great time and so did the women who found me attractive, maybe it was talking at a bookstore maybe it was sitting at a bar, dancing, or maybe it was in my bed.......

I firmly believe not a single women who knows me personally would ever label me as a womanizer. If my post come off with a womanizing tone I sincerely apologize that is not my style what so ever.