The Game --- Otherwise Women Won't Like You!
So every night thousands of socially inept young men get together online and discuss the best strategies for picking up chicks. They use rehearsed routines to "demonstrate higher value," tell them stories that they've already told ten other groups that same evening and ignore their "target" hot babe while they win the approval of her friends.
Then they write "field reports" online to deconstruct and evaluate the time they spent with these women, and review other people's methods so that they all improve.
The leaders of this seduction community, known as Master Pick Up Artists, make thousands of dollars regularly simply by hosting seminars and bootcamps for wannabe seducers.
It's all documented in The Game, by Neil Strauss. This guy, already famous as a music journalist, supposedly turned himself into the world's greatest pickup artist, sleeping with innumerable women throughout the book. He discusses using hypnosis in normal conversation to bed women, and wearing outlandish garments to attract attention.
Has anyone read this?
Has anyone wondered what's going to happen to all these guys in this online community when the movie version of this book comes out this year? Their strategies will be exposed.
And probably the only thing I found mildly disturbing about the book as the neuro-linguistic programing stuff. If you can hypnotize someone and make them sleep with you, and do this without warning them... what kind of creep are you, really?
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
it is less subtle than a handkerchief filled with chloroform
If telemarketing has taught me anything, it's that if you proposition 100,000 people, at least one of them will say yes.
So theoretically, if one guy got on the mic at Live Aid and asked for a blowjob he'd probably get it.
[QUOTE=Spike;913080]If telemarketing has taught me anything, it's that if you proposition 100,000 people, at least one of them will say yes.[/QUOTE]
But is that because you push them or because they're stupid?
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=Earthbound;913085]So theoretically, if one guy got on the mic at Live Aid and asked for a blowjob he'd probably get it.[/QUOTE]
Unless he's covered in pig entrails.
HaHa ! no blowjob for you Geldoff !
[QUOTE=Spike;913080]If telemarketing has taught me anything, it's that if you proposition 100,000 people, at least one of them will say yes.[/QUOTE]
you should see some of the creepy dudes out at bars, they try and kiss you within 10 seconds of saying hi, no drink or nothing. but for evrey dozen women they try this on, one kisses back so it encourages them to keep doing it. The best was they guy who gave me fake busniess cards and told me he was CEO of a fiberoptics company, he didn't even know what fiberoptics actually does.
I find the whole proctice rather insulting, its the assumption that my self-esteem would be so low at to kiss a total stanger. Anyway guys like that really are out there, and the girls that go with them aren't exactly overflowing with self respect.
sounds like the book is basically what's going on at half the bars and clubs out there.
Ive read that book. There are some Fight Club undertones to it especially the PUA called Tyler Durden and arent the areas called Projest Las Vegas etc. Anyways I thought the book was a load of crap until the end where almost every guy in LA was trying out the same Pick up lines a got blown out of it everytime. Not to come over overly romantic but shouldn't people find others who like them as they are?
Jason has a copy of this book and he loves it. I read some of it online and I find it to be some of the most ridiculous shit I've ever laid my eyes on. I told him it was antifeminist and misogynist, which it is, and as Liz said, the girls who go along with this aren't exactly overflowing with self-confidence.
Yeah, this shit probably works, and it'll probably get you laid, but 1) I'd like to think that a decent portion of men are out there not just trying to get meaninglessly laid every night, but are trying to do the normal human thing and get laid while pursuing romance and fidelity and 2) the kind of girls that this'll work on are the kind that are more likely to stalk you when you never call them back.
There is hope, but not for us.
Fuck [B]The Game[/B], use [B]The Tao of Steve[/B] !
[QUOTE=jane s.;913247]I'd like to think that a decent portion of men are out there not just trying to get meaninglessly laid every night, but are trying to do the normal human thing and get laid while pursuing romance and fidelity and 2) the kind of girls that this'll work on are the kind that are more likely to stalk you when you never call them back.[/QUOTE]
If you don't have the radio trainwreck that it the Tom Leykis show in your area, be thankful. While it may not dash your hopes, it will make you pray for humanity...
Leykis is a genius, playing everyone for the fool and making millions, but doing it at the expense of human dignity.
I have a pathological hatred of radio DJs that goes back 10 years. But it's a long and interesting story, so I won't talk about it.
The Fight Club references are a good clue : they indicate that the true motivation behind those players is the approbation and admiration of other males, not their sentimental fulfillment with someone they would care for. What does the expression "the world's greatest pickup artist" mean ?
Of course there's probably some interesting stuff to learn for someone who seeks to break ice with someone and become more attractive, but those losers have just forgotten to grow up beyond early teen level.
One of these nights I'm going to dress up extravangantly, wear a cowboy hat, storm into a nightclub, and "neg" my target while impressing the rest of the "set" with my stacked "openers" and then escalate in "kino" as soon as my target shows me some "IOIs".
Then I'm gonna get laid!
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=jane s.;913247] 2) the kind of girls that this'll work on are the kind that are more likely to stalk you when you never call them back.[/QUOTE]
That right there is enough to make me never want to read this book. Crazy bitches.
On the plus side, it's a pretty fun book. And the author does admit that the lifestyle he's been endorsing is actually empty and dehumanizing to everyone.
I saw an interview with him on YouTube (I think it was on the View) and he's such a scrawny, soft-spoken and friendly little man that you can't really picture him in all sorts of wacky threesomes and other manly activities.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
And there's some validity in that. Most of us find it's hard to pick someone that we like out of a cattle herd group situation, like a bar or a big party, that it probably is a good idea to find out ways that you can set yourself apart and make yourself noticed. But The Game goes so far beyond that into the territory of emotional manipulation it just disgusts me.
It's the male version of those books for women about how to get married in 30 days, or whatever. It's just playing on a different cliche of what the sexes want in a partner.
There is hope, but not for us.
For the desperate guy who at thirty is involuntarily a virgin and is simply hopeless with women, I can see why this seduction community could be a life-saver.
The piece of advice I actually happily gleaned from this book is the idea of a "freezeout." If she won't put out because of "last minute resistance," you simply say "Okay" and go check your email or something while she lies in bed wondering what the hell happened.
That's funny!
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=xec8;913433]For the desperate guy who at thirty is involuntarily a virgin and is simply hopeless with women, I can see why this seduction community could be a life-saver.
[/QUOTE]
so...where do you order that book from again?
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;913436]so...where do you order that book from again?[/QUOTE]
Heh.
I followed a link to real-life "field reports" where guys tell each other what their game was like and tell each other how they can improve. They actually use the exact same openers suggested in the book!
If you're going to use a specific tactic, why not modify it so you're sure the girls haven't already heard it from ten other guys before?
There is helpless, and then there is stupid.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
all i know is the opening line" you know, I can part my hair with my tongue." isn't working like I had hoped it would
[QUOTE=nathaniel parker;913453]all i know is the opening line" you know, I can part my hair with my tongue." isn't working like I had hoped it would[/QUOTE]
I wonder how many times I'd get slapped before I managed to intrigue someone with this line:
"Hi. You look like a slut, but I'm sure you're a kind person inside. Let me get to know you so I can be proved right."
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
In the book "The Infinite Jest", one of the characters uses a pickup line, something to the extent of "I was going to come over here and use a pickup line on you, but at the last second I totally blanked because I'm so attracted to you the motivation to use the line and the line itself went totally out the window."
And I was like, crap. That'd probably actually work.
There is hope, but not for us.
In most of my (few) successful pickups, I don't even remember what first lines I used.
There is one part of the book where an alternative approach was to hypnotise the woman into liking you, I found it to be just plain bizarre
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M]Neil Strauss on Jimmy Kimmel[/url]
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=M0omMTu9Ax8]" on the View[/url]
Question: why is he wearing a T-shirt over a regular shirt? Is looking like you don't know how to dress yourself part of some sinister plan?
Sinister=helps you sleep with lots of women?
There is hope, but not for us.
[QUOTE=Spike;913520][url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M]Neil Strauss on Jimmy Kimmel[/url]
[url=http://youtube.com/watch?v=M0omMTu9Ax8]" on the View[/url]
Question: why is he wearing a T-shirt over a regular shirt? Is looking like you don't know how to dress yourself part of some sinister plan?[/QUOTE]
He calls it "peacocking". You need to dress in a way that attracts attention.
I dunno.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=mr_hash;913135]you should see some of the creepy dudes out at bars, they try and kiss you within 10 seconds of saying hi, no drink or nothing. but for evrey dozen women they try this on, one kisses back so it encourages them to keep doing it. The best was they guy who gave me fake busniess cards and told me he was CEO of a fiberoptics company, he didn't even know what fiberoptics actually does.
I find the whole proctice rather insulting, its the assumption that my self-esteem would be so low at to kiss a total stanger. Anyway guys like that really are out there, and the girls that go with them aren't exactly overflowing with self respect.
sounds like the book is basically what's going on at half the bars and clubs out there.[/QUOTE]
Actually everything you said is exactly why guys need to read this book.
The game teaches men to be socially aware and challenging, It shows that being genuine bold original daring and most importantly observant is what creates an attractive image.
You don't buy a women a drink so she talks to you! what does that say about your self esteem "um please talk to me and give me a chance cause if you do i will bribe you with free booze", as a matter of fact i can say that when im having a fun conversation with a women i just met she has not even thought once "where is my free drink" and sometimes she has offered to buy me a drink and we then take turns buying rounds. I support the feminist movement for equality so i will never doubt her ability to go to a bar with enough money to buy her own drinks.
you don't brag about your job (fake or reality one) that sends the idea that i have nothing more intersting than my imppresive (fake or real) job title, if a women is gonna find me attractive just cause of my career than she is a women i want to pass on
It teaches you a perspective of being fearless, cocky in a funny way, and to play the same little mind games women play on men.
think about when you were 6th/5th grade. women were playing social games like passing notes talking about which boy they like and finding cute/clever ways of making eye contact and gigling with her friends, while us guys just play sports/and videogames while complaining how annoying all that crap is, women have had a head start on men in this department for a long time.
I did learn allot from this culture, coming from a divorced family i did not have a male role model to learn from, I never picked up on being socially challenging and unique instead all i did was play video games and shell out cheasy compliments waiting for a women to have low enough self esteem or desperate enough to date me.
A lot of the information on the pick up world can go both ways, some guy can take what he learns and can be a jack ass and count the notches in his belt and count how many stds he can contract and spread along the way..... and thats terrible, but that act in itself has its own consenquences and non fullfilling dark path with very little substantial meaningfull results. and a women should be smart enough to smell a sex only agenda and pass on that guy if she so wishes (some women do go to a bar just to get laid....some)
The pick up artist community also teaches the good guys who always fall into that category of: "nice guys finish last" to be confident to be challenging to feel like he is as much of a prize as the women hes chatting with. Its not about manipulating women! or lying to them or its not even pickup lines, a seductive confident guy does not need a pickup line, he only needs to be observant and create opportunities for conversation.
I was single for a year and cause of this book and some other information i found. i have made friends at every bar i go to, i had at least 1 new girl to go on a date with each week and sometimes more. and i dated so much and for so long that when i did find a great women it was not out of desperation or lack of options.
Alot of the women i used these social tools on im now best friends with, and they have expressed how interesting and fun it was to meet me, how i never put pressure on them i never came off as needy or insecure and how they knew no matter what path our connection goes they would always enjoy getting to know me. yeah and some of them i slept with, and you can ask each and every one of those girls i met and had casual sex with and it was as much to their benefit and pleasure as it was mine.
Some of you can brag how you didn't need a book, you can call me whatever insulting names in the book, and well i wont even bother to defend myself cause if you didn't need to read this stuff in a book and you are Content and satisfied with your single life and dont need any assistance, if you feel you have the ability to generate a conversation with every interesting person you see in nearly any situation, if you have the ability to read a womens body language and eye contact to precisely comprehend how she is feeling about your presence........ then fine talk as if your better than me but i will never apologize or feel bad for taking an active approach in becoming a more confident social inept single adult male.
oh and its a very entertaining funny book with great writing
If any of you have any questions feel free to pm me, theres not much on this topic i dont know about
if your a women and you want to discuss this further please do
if your a guy who may want some advice please dont hesitate, i have awnsers to many problems when it comes to dating and relationships, they may not be the awnsers you want or you will actually use, but hey it cant hurt to get a different opinion.
or you can pick my message apart and find different ways to flame me, thats fun too
Before anybody lashes out at you, I want to say that I admire your boldness in posting that. I think it IS fair to say that women are at an advantage when it comes to meeting people, simply because men are often expected to be in charge and if they don't even have the guts to approach a woman, then that woman will probably not bother to approach them.
What I found really cool about the author himself, Neil Strauss, is that he seems like a genuinely good guy. He seems sane, simple, intelligent, and kind. That's what makes him endearing and that's why at the end of the book you're left with mixed feelings about the "horrible" world of pick ups.
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
For anyone who has read the book, who was the girl that he fell in love with? I think she was in Courtney Cox band?
i know they broke up recently
Peacocking!!!
Ha!
So, you bought a copy of Cosmo, but for dudes?
[QUOTE=Spike;921422]So, you bought a copy of Cosmo, but for dudes?[/QUOTE]
Your avatar shows a jiving cactus. You're not welcome here!
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=Barca Boy;921406]For anyone who has read the book, who was the girl that he fell in love with? I think she was in Courtney Cox band?[/QUOTE]
Lisa Leveridge
thanks for sharing.blackhawk tactical pants.
— Spambot
"I could have done worse!" exultantly cried the murderer Lebret, sentenced at Rouen to hard labor for life. — Félix Fénéon
[QUOTE=xec8;921425]Lisa Leveridge[/QUOTE]
thanks xec, now im gonna google her a see was she worth it.
[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;921398]Long rant[/QUOTE]
We're all happy that you're so successful.
Very very happy.
I filled out an eHarmony profile last night.
[QUOTE=franc tireur;921471]We're all happy that you're so successful.
Very very happy.[/QUOTE]
yeah im aware it was a painfully long rant, but my hope is that a few people just may possibly relate to the dating/social struggles and check the book out.
Most guys these days, especially around my age (mid 20s) don't understand the true factors in what a women finds attractive.
IF you have ever looked at an attractive women and your first thought was "im not good looking enough for her" then you need to read this book cause you will discover how wrong that way of thinking is.
and its also worth reading to see these people run game on dumb ass ditsy celebs like Paris hilton and Britteny spears, and Courtney love ends up being a fun charector to read about too
[QUOTE=Thag;921535]I filled out an eHarmony profile last night.[/QUOTE]
I was going to fill one of those out till i saw you got to pay 50 freaking bucks a month!
that's more outrageous then this whole book sham!
Yeah but it works. I am extremely antisocial and my job sucks every last drop of social behavior I have out of me. I am not in many social situations.
Seriously. Fuck it. I am 30. I am tired. I have a biological clock.
[QUOTE=Thag;921623]Yeah but it works. I am extremely antisocial and my job sucks every last drop of social behavior I have out of me. I am not in many social situations.
Seriously. Fuck it. I am 30. I am tired. I have a biological clock.[/QUOTE]
lemme know how it works out
maybe i do it for one month
[QUOTE=Thag;921623]Yeah but it works. I am extremely antisocial and my job sucks every last drop of social behavior I have out of me. I am not in many social situations.
Seriously. Fuck it. I am 30. I am tired. I have a biological [B]c[/B][B]ock[/B].[/QUOTE]
Spotted any potential soulmates yet?
[QUOTE=Vendetta;921638]Spotted any potential soulmates yet?[/QUOTE]
A 31 year old banker with an 11 year old is into me. We are at communication stage 3.
The rest of my "matches" don't seem to be too good.
it's more about clock than cock.
I know, I just put that in there cause I thought it'd make me laugh. It didn't.
[QUOTE=Vendetta;921641]I know, I just put that in there cause I thought it'd make me laugh. It didn't.[/QUOTE]
Well that just made ME laugh, so it was good for something.
Probably I'll die soulmateless.
[QUOTE=shawnPboyle;921571]
and its also worth reading to see these people run game on dumb ass ditsy celebs like Paris hilton and Britteny spears, and Courtney love ends up being a fun charector to read about too[/QUOTE]
I hope you're not implying Courtney Love is on the same level as Paris Hilton and Britney Spears.
[QUOTE=xec8;921401]I think it IS fair to say that women are at an advantage when it comes to meeting people, simply because men are often expected to be in charge and if they don't even have the guts to approach a woman, then that woman will probably not bother to approach them.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah buddy, it's called 'sex on demand.' It's a sociology thing....basically women can have 'sex on demand' because women are not as driven by sex as men are.
Basically, I, as a woman, could walk into a bar wanting to get laid and it'll happen almost 100% of the time....not so much with dudes.
it's about clocks, not cocks.....hilarious!!!
Yeah I'd like to know how the eharmony thing goes too...
"I thought I had mono once for an entire year. Turns out I was just really bored."
Wayne Campbell
I don't think I'd want to be a seducer. Seems like there'd be a lot of legwork and I barely like talking on the phone.