The Alternative List

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]
What would you add?[/QUOTE]

e: none of the above.

[QUOTE=Vendetta]e: none of the above.[/QUOTE]

Well fuck off then.

Very well.

Oh, what about HST? I've only read Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas and I really liked it, what's his best book?

I don't believe in alternative/subversive litterature. I only know good books or bad books.

[QUOTE=franc tireur]I don't believe in alternative/subversive litterature. I only know good books or bad books.[/QUOTE]

Then why are you posting in this thread? Get back to the chatroom.

I didn't read the bit about alternative/subversive! I just listed books I like, I'm with Franc - I only know good or bad books...

Trainspotting might be on a Subversive literature list. And The Hobbit, Bilbo being the punkrocker he is...

[QUOTE=188416]I didn't read the bit about alternative/subversive! I just listed books I like, I'm with Franc - I only know good or bad books...[/QUOTE]

Basically I'm just looking for recommendations of books for people who likes Palahniuk and Palahniukesque writers. I'd rather take recommendations from people around here than the literature people at Time.

If you can't think of any, just don't post in this thread. I knew people would object to my definitions, it's predictable and boring.

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]Then why are you posting in this thread?[/QUOTE]
Because I thought you wanted a list as an alternative to the Time 100s, or any other official list, but I don't give much credit to books or any other work with the 'alternative' tag written all over it.
[QUOTE=mikandrewz]Get back to the chatroom.[/QUOTE]
Not yet, The Outlaw Josey Wales is on now. It's about a Confederate guerilla refusing to surrender to the Union. How alternative is that ?

Yeah but the books I listed weren't alternative in the slightest, I would have looked like a dork suggesting those under the brief you gave! I have to start reading things twice before chipping in.

Okay, I use the term 'alternative' because it's the most commonly used term for this kind of writing. It's the same with music, even though rock, punk, metal, etc is very popular (and therefore should be known as 'pop') it's still referred to as Alternative music.

Can we just get down to book recommendations and stop being all superior and high-and-mighty over a definition?

Fine by me.

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]

Can we just get down to book recommendations and stop being all superior and high-and-mighty over a definition?[/QUOTE]

I wasn't! But I [i] did [/i] think you meant alternative as in House of Leaves and Geek Love and other crazy things.

anyway

John Fante - Ask the Dust
Charles Bukowski - Women or Post Office or Ham on Rye

Can you believe they're making Ask the Dust into a movie with Colin Farrell as Arturo Bandini and Selma Hayek as Camilla? Colin is not Italian.. and Hayek is just too old. And from what I heard they weren't even filming it in LA. Probably since it's changed so much. But, man, they are going to butcher it. I love Ask the Dust. I can't even understand how they can make a movie from it since it's so internal.

I was really upset when i heard about the movie, they just have to go ruin everything. There are so many books that should never ever be anything but a book, Ask the Dust is amazing and beautiful and how could it ever work as a film? I feel the same about On the Road, I don't know why they have to do that

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]So we've had two threads about Time's top one hundred list, what about ours. What do you consider seminal reading in alternative/subversive literature? If we were to become mentors to a group of little Cultettes what books would we force them to read? Granted most of these are going to come off the Palahniukesque writers section but we should chose one book by each person and besides, that section hasn't been updated in ages. My first choices would be-[/QUOTE]

That section was updated about a month ago!

Really? It doesn't look like anyone new has been added, I thought at least Clevenger would make the cut.

How about the books from the main list? Neuromancer and Ubik?

Also-

Alex Garland - The Beach
Nick Hornby - High Fidelity

[QUOTE=mikandrewz]Really? It doesn't look like anyone new has been added, I thought at least Clevenger would make the cut.

How about the books from the main list? Neuromancer and Ubik?

Also-

Alex Garland - The Beach
Nick Hornby - High Fidelity[/QUOTE]

oh man, I was looking at the wrong page. I meant this one: [url]http://www.chuckpalahniuk.net/recommendations/[/url]

(And Craigs on there)

I'be been meaning to read [I]The Beach[/I]. I was put off by the film but enough time has passed.

oh yeah,[I] Geek Love [/I] by Katherine Dunn!

[COLOR=RoyalBlue]House [/COLOR][COLOR=Lime] of Leaves[/COLOR], [I]Danielewski[/I]

it's addictive, experimental, subversive?(not really), but I'll recommend it till I'm hung from a worm coughing apple tree bathed in moon light [COLOR=RoyalBlue]blue[/COLOR].

[QUOTE=Dr.Jekyll&Mr.Hyde]subversive?(not really)[/QUOTE]

Of course it's subversive, it's about some sex-addict nut who works in a tattoo parlour!
If it's not subversive it's at least alternative.

[QUOTE=Vendetta]Of course it's subversive, it's about some sex-addict nut who works in a tattoo parlour!
If it's not subversive it's at least alternative.[/QUOTE]
i understand subversive as destroying or mocking standards or ideals. to me it's more experimental than subversive.

Ack, it's been too long since I read it...my grandad sure didn't like it.

homeland by sam lipsyte

it has that palahniuk-esque crass, pitch black humor. lipsyte is a tremendously gifted writer. give it a shot.