House of Leaves and Silent Hill 4
Anyone read the book?
Anyone see the previews?
I have and can't ignore the blatantly obvious plot connections.
If you don't know what house of Leaves is about than you shouldn't even be here, as for those who don't know what Silent Hill 4 is about, let me tell you. The forth installment in the series, will have you playign the character of a man trapped in his apartment. He enters a door, that leads him to many othe rhallways and deeper corridors etcetera etcetera.
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I figured most would catch on with the image posted.
[QUOTE=Cliff]I figured most would catch on with the image posted.[/QUOTE]
I'm not that quick.
Is House Of Leaves any good? It's on my list of books to read... but that list is incredibly long.
[COLOR=YellowGreen][FONT=Arial]Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view, facts don't do what I want them to. Facts just twist the truth around. Facts are living turned inside out. Facts are getting the best of them. Facts are nothing on the face of things. Facts don't stain the furniture, facts go out and slam the door. Facts are written all over your face. Facts continue to change their shape.[/COLOR][/FONT]
It's ahrd to say, i loved the book but at the same time it disgusted me. it's a very involving book that is worth the read.
The book is definitely worth reading.
[SIZE=1][COLOR=MediumTurquoise]i respect your honesty, but i detest what you're being honest about[/COLOR].[/SIZE]
House of Leaves???
House of [I]LEAVES[/I] ???
That sounds like some pansy-ass-oprah's-book-club-shit to me...not real [I]gravy[/I] like chuck!
Fuck House of leaves!!!
i started to read it, but it was boring and felt to gimmicky. that said someone later summarized the plot (in fairly great detail) of the navidson project (the main part of the book) and it was a damn good story. so, in other words, debatable.
EDIT: as for silent hill 4, is that only going to be on ps2 or is it coming on any other consoles? i'd like to play it just to see the similarities
Cliff: Why was it "disgusting?"
[COLOR=YellowGreen][FONT=Arial]Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view, facts don't do what I want them to. Facts just twist the truth around. Facts are living turned inside out. Facts are getting the best of them. Facts are nothing on the face of things. Facts don't stain the furniture, facts go out and slam the door. Facts are written all over your face. Facts continue to change their shape.[/COLOR][/FONT]
The apartment door with the chains/ locks alone is a blatant rip off of HoL. Not to mention the game's plot.
[QUOTE=twstedlgc]Cliff: Why was it "disgusting?"[/QUOTE]
Without trying to sound like some hardcore melodramatic punk, this book is more of an experience than a simple old read. Everyone who I've talked with about the book has told me somehow it changed their perception on things, and during reading had extreme feelings. When iw as reading, i got a huge feelings of feeling sick and disgusted, like my room had been closed up for months on ned and the air I was breathing was old and stale. I could barely finish the book, it's a real experience and different people pull different interpretations and different feelings from it all.
Funnys tory, while reading HoL, i was working in a ware house with about 4 other guys. Anyways i was on one side by myself they were on the other, I had just gotten tot he part of the book where [COLOR=DarkSlateGray](spoiler: the expedition team goes into the depth of darkness)[/COLOR], when all of a sudden all the lights in the ware house went out and i heard doors shutting. I was in this huge empty ware house, in the pitch black darkness. Suffice to say I felt quite uneasy and went into a brief panic.
To the dork who said shit about it not being like Chuck, well God forbid someone reads something other than Chuck, I mean the odasity of them!
To the guy who was wonderring what the game would include etcetera, well I've seen footage and it's a bit disturbing, flesh growing on walls, babys with two heads and spider bodies, and painitings with half of someone sticking out of them scremaing (very Hellraiser-esque). The game looks interesting, but not nearly as interesting as the first one.
Each game in the Silent Hill franchise has pushed the envelope in psychological horror within the video game business. Silent Hill 2 had some of the most graphic imagery I've seen in a game, especially with Pyramid Head and the leg things. Every game should include a scene of monsters fucking.
Hands down, the best part of the series isn't the gore or even the storyline, it's the atmosphere. These are not action games - it's all about knowing something is coming, but not wear it is or when it show.
[QUOTE=Cliff]To the dork who said shit about it not being like Chuck, well God forbid someone reads something other than Chuck, I mean the odasity of them!
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I agree. There are way too many good books and great authors to just read Chuck. I mean if you just read Chuck you would be reading one book every 1-2 years.
Chuck is a great author and all, but I'm not too interested in his stuff naymore. To me, Choke, Fight Club and Survivor cannot be beat, and I don't really want to read something by Chuck that will beat them, so I've stopped reading him. I couldn't even get myself through Invisible Monsters.
Cliff, if you were a long time poster, you would realise that TastesLikeChiken was not being serious.
Side note: HoL is the best book I've ever read.
[QUOTE=XChuck]Cliff, if you were a long time poster, you would realise that TastesLikeChiken was not being serious.[/QUOTE]
I am a long time poster (under new allias) and I still didn't realise tastesLikeChicken was joking.
Try to contribute somehting a bit more to the tread.
it seemed to me that the post was obviously joking, especially if youve seen other posts by tasteslikechicken. which is what i think xchuck was getting at.
ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh........controversy..........
but seriously, i was only poking fun at cliff's apparent inexperience with this site (long time poster, you? under a different name?) because, really, do a search for HOL and see what comes up....
also, as far as I know, the biggest fans of HOL on this board (lots 'o assholes on the HOL board) are XChuck and myself.
I own nineteen copies myself....now [I]that's[/I] scarier than any video game.
[QUOTE=TastesLikeChicken] I own nineteen copies myself....now that's scarier than any video game. [/QUOTE]
How did you come to own nineteen copies?
I'm convinced. I'll read the book... after I'm done with Jennifer Government...
[COLOR=YellowGreen][FONT=Arial]Facts are simple and facts are straight. Facts are lazy and facts are late. Facts all come with points of view, facts don't do what I want them to. Facts just twist the truth around. Facts are living turned inside out. Facts are getting the best of them. Facts are nothing on the face of things. Facts don't stain the furniture, facts go out and slam the door. Facts are written all over your face. Facts continue to change their shape.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[QUOTE=twstedlgc]How did you come to own nineteen copies?
I'm convinced. I'll read the book... after I'm done with Jennifer Government...[/QUOTE]
there are a few variations of the book:
Blue Version: the word 'house' is in blue
Red Version: the word 'minotaur' and struck passages in red, word 'house' in grey
then there were signed limited versions available (about 1200); some(1000) with a blue 'z' for Zampano, fewer (150)with a red 'JT' for Johnny Truant, 15 with a purple 'PHL' for Pelafina Heather Lievre, and one (1) signed 'Mark Z. Danielewski'. This is for each of the red and blue american versions. there are other versions also worth having. check abebooks.com
you have to read the book to really understand, though.
Wow 19 copies. that's a true HOL fan. Is the text the same in all of them?
[QUOTE=rjw104]Wow 19 copies. that's a true HOL fan. Is the text the same in all of them?[/QUOTE]
except for the text coloring, yes.
this might be a random question, but at what point does "casual collection" become "obsessive, creepy, stalker-type shit?" 
if i turn my head and look back over my shoulder, i can barey see that point. waaay out on the horizon...
TLC, i can't fathom the scope of your library. i read a lot, but i get books from the library, borrow them from other people, and give mine away all the time. my collection far surpasses the average reader, no doubt, but i have a feeling you have piles upon piles of books...i imagine your house to be a maze of book piles. one huge pile is HOL only, and the pile moves every so often w/o anyone ever touching it...
actually, i have this bookshelf, where i put my books, right? it's a little bigger on the inside than on the outside....
(aaarrrrggghhhh!!!!!!!! ticketswest.com won't let me buy Pixies tix!!!!!!!!!!)
I bought a house a year ago, but haven't had time to get most of my book out of boxes in the garage (about 30 boxes), so i've only had what I bought in the last year - about 175 books - all neatly shelved in a glass-doored bookshelf.
sorry for speculating you were untidy with your book-keeping. i've got a few plastic shelving units jammed every-which-way with books. it's very ghetto, and god forbid anyone is looking for something specific.
good luck with getting those tickets. i had to battle with ticketmaster last week for bowie tix, and i'm still dazed.
[QUOTE=TastesLikeChicken]ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh........controversy..........
but seriously, i was only poking fun at cliff's apparent inexperience with this site (long time poster, you? under a different name?) because, really, do a search for HOL and see what comes up....
also, as far as I know, the biggest fans of HOL on this board (lots 'o assholes on the HOL board) are XChuck and myself.
I own nineteen copies myself....now [I]that's[/I] scarier than any video game.[/QUOTE]
I swear, i have never seen any of your posts in any of the HoL threads, than again i haven't been here for a while and htose threads are long dead.
Sorry either way I guess.
I really gotta re-read this book.
Silent Hill is a great game. Well some of the series are alright, but what is house of leaves about? Is it scary?
[QUOTE=Trancefreak]Silent Hill is a great game. Well some of the series are alright, but what is house of leaves about? Is it scary?[/QUOTE]
Ask Alex, he loves the book and is well versed on all the nuances of it.
I was here. Then I wasn't. Then I was again.
house of leaves really fucking sucks
and the whole scooby-doo mystery code-crackin shenanigans are stupid and easy to figure out
I couldn't get into House Of Leaves at all, I'm not sure why. It seemed to drag a bit for me. But then so many people are saying how awesome it is, I'm almost tempted to give it another go. Almost.
I love Silent Hill though. When's the fourth one coming out? And is it just going to be for PS2 and PC (again *sobs*)?
[QUOTE=Cliff]
To the dork who said shit about it not being like Chuck, well God forbid someone reads something other than Chuck, I mean the odasity of them!
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Cliff, before I seriously bust your balls/punch your vagina, you should look at my user name and see if you notice a phonetic relation to any of the words I've taken the liberty of excerpting from an earlier post of yours. Then compare and contrast these. While that keeps you busy, I'm going to be trying my best not to infer that you weren't "working" in a warehouse but living there, and that your "friends" on the other side weren't policemen coming to forcibly evict your ass.
[QUOTE=TastesLikeChicken]House of Leaves???
House of [I]LEAVES[/I] ???
That sounds like some pansy-ass-oprah's-book-club-shit to me...not real [I]gravy[/I] like chuck!
Fuck House of leaves!!![/QUOTE]
you're a goddamn mod? what the fuck, people?!?
Ha! after reading this thread, yeah, i see the joke was on me.
I'm not as obsessed, but i'd definitely fund a super-secret filming of the Navidson record if i had the chance...
1st, cliff, spellcheck.
2nd, I knew that TLC was joking, and I hardly even know that cat yet.
3rd, Kl0pp, you have gotten around to reading it? Finally? Good. Don't worry, I haven't yet gotten around to reading Fear and Loathing, BUT I WILL THIS YEAR!
And 4th, is that an Eminem mugshot in that avatar?
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play hard, like it's work to be done.
i read it a month or two ago
the STUPIDEST thing ever to come out of this whole "post modern experimental" thing
cheesy horro + microsoft word faggotry + pretentious namedropping/referencing + ripping off borges = choo choo smartytrain
[QUOTE=kl0pper]i read it a month or two ago
the STUPIDEST thing ever to come out of this whole "post modern experimental" thing
cheesy horro + microsoft word faggotry + pretentious namedropping/referencing + ripping off borges = choo choo smartytrain[/QUOTE]
Well, I enjoyed the hell out of it 
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play hard, like it's work to be done.
[QUOTE=kl0pper]i read it a month or two ago
the STUPIDEST thing ever to come out of this whole "post modern experimental" thing
cheesy horro + microsoft word faggotry + pretentious namedropping/referencing + ripping off borges = choo choo smartytrain[/QUOTE]
this is 100% what i expected you to say. not that you're wrong or anything. however, i enjoyed it immensely.
word.
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play hard, like it's work to be done.
im actually surprised to see this many people who've enjoyed this book. i can completely 100% understand why people would hate it, and why people can hate it with passion. however, the opposite is true, as well, i think. personally, this book just blew my mind. there's so many things going on that fit so perfectly, and the way it was written, i'd never seen anything like it. plus the story was good, too.
I am reading it right now. It is sometimes complicated and I have to read things twice. But I am enjoying the hell out of it. There is so much going on. It's just amazing to me that someone could compose all of that information and organize it so perfectly.
cassun have you read any borges?
every little "interesting" thing that is in hol is ripped off of borges
and the "experimentalism" is really poorly implemented derrida-ish stuff
[QUOTE=PGoutis01]I am reading it right now. It is sometimes complicated and I have to read things twice. But I am enjoying the hell out of it. There is so much going on. It's just amazing to me that someone could compose all of that information and organize it so perfectly.[/QUOTE]
try reading a page from gravity's rainbow or finnegans wake
how is hol a complicated read? jesus christ
[QUOTE=kl0pper]cassun have you read any borges?
every little "interesting" thing that is in hol is ripped off of borges
and the "experimentalism" is really poorly implemented derrida-ish stuff[/QUOTE]
i haven't. should i?
[QUOTE=kl0pper]cassun have you read any borges?
every little "interesting" thing that is in hol is ripped off of borges
and the "experimentalism" is really poorly implemented derrida-ish stuff[/QUOTE]
borges ripped off plato.
i was under the impression that 'postmodernism' (which you mentioned earlier, and are apparently grouping HOL into) was all about the ripping-off of ideas from other genres/disciplines/artists-artforms/etc....
derrida, by the way, if you want to get into -isms, is widely considered a 'deconstructivist' (well, the father of it, really), which is radically different in meaning and methodology as compared to a 'postmodernist'.
kl0pper, quit being such a jerk.
Alex...you win man. After all the bitching and yelling about the book being good, great, confusing, terrible, wonderful, I just ordered it off Amazon. So congrats for doing your part to help the economy my friend.
And to the dude who said that it sounded like an Oprah Book Club book, I recall that was The House of Sand and Fog which was a very depressing book turned movie. Plus Oprah is a whore and I'd aprecieate nobody bringing her up again if it can be avoided. Unless of course we are discussing her assasination.
Orcah's my hero because she gave away 250 pontiacs to good looking young women
I've read House of Leaves but never heard of Silent Hill 4. I looked it up and it's a video game. I thought it was going to be a movie.