What is Deja Vu?

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what do you think it is

for me, i've always had this irrational theory that deja vu has to do with the speed in which our brain is processing information.

so, you've all heard that typicallly we use only a small percentage of our brain power, right? so, what if at time we used more than that small ammount?

so what this would mean would be that when we exoperience deja vu what is really happenning is our minds are working faster than normally, therefore our mind and body are working seperately, instead of as one, like normal.

why we think we've seen this before is because - in that flash, that moment, when we're sure we've seen this before but we know we actaully haven't - our mind has sped up. it has almost, i guess, predicted what is about to occur. like when, have you ever had that feeling when a cup is about to fall on the ground and you can see it happening, before it happens but for some reason it doesn't compute quick enough in your brain fooor you to move your body to fix the situation.

like that. shit, i hope that makes sense.

anyway, point is, what do you guys all think the whole deja vu thing is?

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A Denzel Washington movie.

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I think it's a movie starring Denzel Washington.

Actually I think that sometimes we dream things before they happen and subconsciencly we remember those dreams when the situation does happen. Your theory is interesting though.....I've never thought of it like that before.

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yeah. fuck denzel. this fucking guy, coming in, fucking up my thread in one reply. this was meant to be a bit of a serious discussion, not get side-tracked from the get go. so ritt, what have you got, man, what do you think?

i like the dream theory. alot. the subconscious is extremely powerful.

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Ritt wrote:
A Denzel Washington movie.

That's exactly what I was going to say when I read the title.

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We use all of our brain. Not just a small amount. If we used a small amount, evolution would have gotten rid of the rest. But yeah, I know what you're getting at.

There are times when I think it's just something I've seen and forgotten about, because it generally happens at unimportant times, but one strange theory that I just came up with is that if it occurs in public, which it often does for me, it's happening in a place where many people have seen the same exact thing. Like somehow, they've all looked at the same spot, or whatever, and so it makes an imprint on the universe in that place. And, since we're all connected, when we experience that moment, it feels familiar, and is heightened by that imprint.

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wholey moley, Chris!

that theory is fantastic. how fun are theories, especially the conspiracy kind?

i'm pretty sure we do only use like 10 percent of our brains, man. i read that shit somewhere.

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Fano wrote:
We use all of our brain. Not just a small amount. If we used a small amount, evolution would have gotten rid of the rest.

Not if evolution is a fallacy.
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matthew.odonnell wrote:
wholey moley, Chris!

that theory is fantastic. how fun are theories, especially the conspiracy kind?

i'm pretty sure we do only use like 10 percent of our brains, man. i read that shit somewhere.

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp

Dunno bout you, but I use more than 10%.

Plus, if you ever watch medical shows and stuff, they do brain scans, and the whole brain lights up with activity, not just one corner. Now, we may not use 100% all at once, but we sure as hell don't use 10%.

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i don't think they mean it like that. i think it's meant to be more like, intelligence-wise, we only use ten percent of what we arfe capable of. which is why there are people in the world that are smarter than others. or there are people, that have autism and shit that are really, really smart at certain things and completely stupid at others. like einstein. or did he ave aspergers?

anyway, i don't know what the fuck i'm on about, man. i'm just going off what i've heard.

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Deja vu always happens to me when I'm alone. It's always this random thing, something so simple, like I look to the left and I'm like "Wow, I did this just yesterday" and then I realize it's just deja vu.

I've heard theories (you can't be a sci fi geek like me and not hear 56455778574 theories about everything unexplainable) that it's got to do with parallel universes. One of your alternates is doing the same thing at the same time you are and you get a glimpse into that reality for a split second.

It might just be neurons misfiring, or something, which is what a lot of people say.

Honestly, I have no theories on it. If it led to something, maybe, but like I said, deja vu for me is always something simple. It's when I'm driving alone and I just get this tug.

I do have a slight theory that we don't all experience the same thing. We might think we do, but how can you know for sure that what I call deja vu is what you know as deja vu? We can never know for sure. It's like being color blind and being told what red is, you don't know!

It does fascinate me, but I don't know that I'd ever want to know the purpose of it, because then it would kind of take the magic of the mystery of it away.

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i know, right!? sometimes the mystery is half the intrigue. wanting to kow so bad.

i just love hearing what othr people have to say about these things. it's been interesting so far, jus from the couple of people that haven't shat all over this thread and actually put in some opinion.

it's just ben something that i've thought about a great deal and it's one of those "what if...?" things that coulod makea great concppt for a novel if i could develop a what-if scenario well enough. as of now, i haven't but it's lovely hearing theories of the unknown.

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Shit. Write a novel about a bunch of people coming together and trying to figure out what deja vu is.

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maybe i will. and there will be characters called: Y, and eight on the spot, and local_information, and gorillawrong, and allen wayne. it'll be super!

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sometimes I wonder if we're all just a little psychic in our own ways, and that's what causes Deja Vu.

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writemetolife wrote:
sometimes I wonder if we're all just a little psychic in our own ways, and that's what causes Deja Vu.

I've, in the past year, begun to feel that people have a connection with the universe. If that's psychic, then yeah, I agree.

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Chris, yes. that is the kind of thing i love hearing. it's all very spiritual, not in a god-praise-the-lord-jesus-mary-buddah-allah kind of way but in a in touch with your self an your soul and the universe and i guess, in a journey to enlightenment about the meaning of life or something.

there is something bigger than, going to work, spending money to live, being dead. i refuse to belive that is why we are here.

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deja entendu. pretty sick album.

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Okay I believe you, but my tommy gun don't.

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sooooo good. not so much the newest album. the one before that, okay. deja - brill.

play crack the sky. ouch!

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Hey wait...

didn't we just...

I coulda sworn........

huh

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interesting. although, i feel like i've read all that before.

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I have dream deja vu sometimes. In a dream I deja vu about a previous dream, not just like waking up and knowing it was a repeat dream that you always have, but in the dream itself having deja vu of something that is happening. Sort of like the dream deja vu is a shadow of a lucid dreamstate that I cannot quite achieve.

I like the theory you (Mathew, hail topic maker) presented. It makes me think of the whole thing about fly's, that mikandrewz and I discussed a bit a while ago, how their brains synapses register the impulses firing from their optic nerves 10X faster than humans brains do, on average. Bringing light to the fact that they see your swater coming before you even realize you've swung it at them. Science proves that everything you think you are viewing in live, real time has actually already happened a fraction of a millisecond before you are consciously aware of it occurring. So deja vu in one sense could be attributed to a slight disconnection in the optic input registering what it has already registered to your subcounscious through your brain memory.

I also really dig Fano's ideas about deja vu. They take a more philosophical turn on the matter. Giving light to the theory of imprint memory in objects.

I think I'm going to think on Fano's suggestions for a bit.

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There are a few things we need to consider as fact to make this hypothesis plausible:

-- we are not alone
-- there are more than 4 dimensions (one being time)
-- reality is malleable
-- alternate realities exist

Imagine for a minute that we are on a single plane of reality, better yet a membrane, that undulates like the fins of cuttlefish. This membrane is amorphous and composed of particles too small to be seen, like neutrinos, allowing it to move and overlap with other membranes of alternate realities.

In the alternate realities that our reality interacts with, invisible to us because of the membranes that cover it like an egg, there exists many version of us, all shaped and molded by the paths and choices that we didn't make.

We all walk along, living our lives, but at some point where one of our alternate selves is exactly where our 'real' one is, a mental connection is established and linked by the electrical impulses in our brains. The alternate and the real us perceive the same things exactly at that singular point in time and we experience dejavu. It's entirely cerebral and experience this only in the fleeting moments when our brain waves are in sync and in the same perceived location.

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YAY! damien!

I like this stuff.

Giving to the assumption of this theory all being true though... what is to say that "we" "us" "I" here is the real "I"?

It could be tossed around in this (your) theory that the deja vu is an impact coming from the real "I" that each of us are and hitting us alternate choice/path "I"'s here in this just one of many alternate realities. Deja vu could be our fleeting flash glimpses of the real tangible us's that we are not as we are only different path/choice versions ourselves.

That may have made no sense.

Fuck, I'ma little drunk.

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Six On The Dot wrote:
I don't feel like reading this whole thread, but they figured out that it's because there's a milimicrosecond delay between receiving and processing information and sometimes your brain gets the information you're taking in and goes "Oh shit, I know I've already been here and seen this and smelt this and done this," because it technically has already received the information before it knows it. That's the best way I can explain it without pulling up the article.

That's exactly what I said two posts ago.

I think you might be pretty smart too six, along with the pretty cool and pretty pretty. Smile

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Six On The Dot wrote:
I don't feel like reading this whole thread, but they figured out that it's because there's a milimicrosecond delay between receiving and processing information and sometimes your brain gets the information you're taking in and goes "Oh shit, I know I've already been here and seen this and smelt this and done this," because it technically has already received the information before it knows it. That's the best way I can explain it without pulling up the article.

that is basically "my" theory in a nut shell. So it's proven?

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Fantastic. I should be a theorist.

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Yeeeaaah, this precognition? It's a bunch of crap. Deja vu is just a feeling brought on by a tiny brain fart, a slight moment where information goes straight to long-term memory before reaching short-term. This was always my theory, and I recently found that it's been supported. Sooo, there ya go.

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Yeah, wasn't sure what was up with this thread, because people KNOW what déjà vu is.

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i seem to have deja vu more often when i'm "in love". i think it's just ornate psychic ability.

i've been trying to slip 'ornate' into a sentence all day.

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Imke wrote:
Yeah, wasn't sure what was up with this thread, because people KNOW what déjà vu is.

Obviously people do not know EXACTLY what it is because there has been a few people wiTh seperate and even opposing ideas stating they have either been proven or have strong evidence backing them up.

It's not about that anyway. If I wanted to know exactly what it was or at least know some theories that have been close to being proven I would have done some serious research. The point was meant to just be a talkig point because I'm sure others have contemplated such topics.

Since your "real-person" post you've been a bit of a drag, man.

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i meant to say "innate". i think ornate means it's just for looks. damnit, how am i gonna use ornate now??

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Gary Spivey has an ornate psychic ability, and it's all in his hair...

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matthew.odonnell wrote:
Obviously people do not know EXACTLY what it is because there has been a few people wiTh seperate and even opposing ideas stating they have either been proven or have strong evidence backing them up.

It's not about that anyway. If I wanted to know exactly what it was or at least know some theories that have been close to being proven I would have done some serious research. The point was meant to just be a talkig point because I'm sure others have contemplated such topics.

Since your "real-person" post you've been a bit of a drag, man.

What? This is one of my first posts after that.

And I wasn't being a dick. I just meant, it's been researched, déjà vu is < enter explanation >. I could explain more why I said what I said, but.... it doesn't matter. Sorry I posted.

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don't take it to heart, imke. i was just poking fun.

i know that there probably are explanations. whether or not they are completely proven or not is another story. i've never looked into it. it's been more of a thing that i have just pondered. so i thought maybe others have pondered over it and come up with something different to what i have. turns out they have.

it's been fun, hasn't it?

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I have deja vu A LOT. For me it happens with eyesight, images.

I'll be writing a paper, and I'll feel by looking at the screen. I've not only written this sentence before, I've seen this exact screen of Microsoft Word before with ALL of these exact words in this exact spot.

It also happens in public, "I've never been here before/met this person before but I feel like I have. (For instance: "I feel like I've seen this stranger drink that can of soda in that exact way in those exact clothes in this exact place, before)

My theory fits with my personality. I theorize that deja vu happens to those who when they die, just keep living their lives over and over. Deja vu, to me, is me living critical moments of my life that seem unimportant to me but are important in the whole scheme of "fate." Whenever I get the Vu, I just do something I would never have done regularly and see how it changes my fate.

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I LOVE FUCKING TREES

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wow. that is heavy and fucking awesome. i love hearing you all get all hippie and spiritual and shit. yeeeeaaahhhh boy!

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It's an artifact left over from when aliens took over humanity 6000 years ago. It's when the creature inhabiting your brain achieves/recognizes one tiny step toward the ideal future they've been trying to engineer all these years. One day soon, incidence of deja vu will blow up exponentially until everyone on earth will have it simultaneously, at which point the invaders' perfect world will have been realized.

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Six On The Dot wrote:
but what is jamais vu?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamais_vu

It's a great song as well:

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well what about au jus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_jus

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well what about au jus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_jus

WIN

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i can never find a decent french dip anymore.

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I've heard of and read about Jamais vu, but I can't seem to remember where. I wanna say it was a chuck book, but I don't think so. I don't know.

Also,

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I don't feel like reading this whole thread, but they figured out that it's because there's a milimicrosecond delay between receiving and processing information and sometimes your brain gets the information you're taking in and goes "Oh shit, I know I've already been here and seen this and smelt this and done this," because it technically has already received the information before it knows it. That's the best way I can explain it without pulling up the article.

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