Unfairly accused.
This is sort of a tangent off the temper tantrums thread. Has anyone out there ever been unfairly accused of being racist/ homophobic/ sexist? The key word here is UNFAIRLY.
Here's a funny little story about how Proto got fired.
I was a waiter and it was the day before Thanksgiving. All the schools were out and a lot of people had off of work so we were really busy. My boss forgot to schedule for this, so we were really, REALLY busy.
I had walking pneumonia, it later turned out, but I hadn;t gone to the doctor since I haven't had medical insurance in eight years and I couldn't really afford to take time off work anyways. So I was working really sick and gross, coughing up blood, throwing up. All pale and sweaty and a little cranky to begin with. So I decided that I should just suck it up, go to the emergency room and charge it on my card. I had to take the day off, there was no way I was going to make it. But my boss couldn't send me home because we were so short staffed.
This new girl started crying because she was overwhelmed and the boss sent her home thereby making me more agitated. I thought if he was going to send one of us home, it should prbbably be the infectious one...
So seven hours later, I had made it. It had been a terrible day. No one's really enthusiastic about having an obviously quite sick waiter, so no one tips well. I thought I was going to die, and to boot, I had only made $60 or so. This woman and her son come in. Very anry to begin with. So was I.
These people happen to be black.
They order steaks "extra well done." It's a long wait since we're short on staff and there are a lot of orders in, but they come out soon enough extra well done, maybe a little more than that. The customers tell me verbatim "we can't eat this motherfucking shoe leather. Take this shit back NOW." I'm shocked, but I apologize like a good little waiter and take it back. I return with their accompaniments (hashbrowns and such) so that they have somehting to eat.
The second steaks come out later and they tell me verbatim "Too long. We don't need this shit now. Get it the fuck away from me." The mother swipes the plate onto the floor. I don;t say a word. I pick the plate up and grab the other and walk away. I see a pan for dirty dishes about five feet away and in a moment of total rage I toss the plates into it, making a loud thunk.
The woman and her son sprint back and follow me into the kitchen. She says (this is not verbatim, but it's as close as I can recall) "What the fuck is wrong with you, asshole? You can't treat me fair then you ain't got no place in waiting tables, motherfucker. I don't get what the fuck you think you are. Your kind should be the hell away from people. What the fuck did I ever do to you just because I want a fucking steak cooked right?"
Her son says (verbatim) "How you like me now, motherfucker?"
I cut her off and say "Excuse me, ma'am. Did you ever think that this has nothing to do with you? Did it ever occur to you that maybe I'm sick as hell and can't afford to take time off of work because I have no insurance and a stack of bills my ex-girlfriend left me? Did you think that maybe I've been busy all day and getting tipped no money because the food has been terrible all day?"
She asks me (verbatim) "Is this because I'm black?"
I lose all composure and say, "No, you dumb cunt, it's because you're an unreasonable asshole."
Her son charges me and we get into a fight. There are only two punches thrown before we're separated.
I get fired. She gets a free pie and $20 of free meal coupons.
Never get so attached to a poem you forget truth that lacks lyricism.
Yeah. Actually, it's a local food service legend, which is way cooler than the job itself.
A lot of my acquaintences have since gone to other restaurants to work and spread the story. I'm actually kind of proud.
I went and applied at this restaurant I'd never been to and the manager said " You got fired from there for...wait, are you the 'no, it's because you're a bitch' guy?"
I would have died laughing if I had gotten the job after that.
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You should find a place where the manager admires you for it and apply there, though you're not really likely to find a place like that.
Also, my friend came up with a great idea for an exclusive restaurant wherein six or seven strangers sit at a table (one of whom is secretly the cook) and talk for twenty minutes and then based on how they act and what they talk about, he decides what they get to eat. Your story just reminded me of that. Maybe you could start it.
indeed.
i've never been unfairly or fairly accused of racism/sexism/homophobia. prob. b/c i'm a woman, actually, even though i'm white. don't know what that would have to really do with that, but i think ppl are more suspicious of men on both sides, like racist white people think "criminal" when they see a black man but "maid" when they see a black woman. same with racist black people, they seem to think "oppressor" when it comes to white men, but "housewife" when it comes to white women.
being a woman has also gotten me out of speeding tickets. i won't lie.
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I once managed a restaurant, a nice breakfast and lucnh place with all sorts of quaint touches and really good fresh food.
Anyway, one day, I hear one of the waiters say "no, [i]you'r[/i]e a bitch" so of course I hauled my ass over there.
It turns out the women had ordered the wrong thing. She thought a fritata was the same thing as an omelette or some such thing. When the waiter tried to explain the customer said "I don't care what its called, bitch, I don't want it"
I just looked at the women and said. This discussion can be over now and you can stay and have your meal or you can leave." She stayed. I sent the waiter to have a cigarette and waited on them myself.
This was a great place to work. Its exactly what the owners would have done in the same situation.
"wait, are you the 'no, it's cause you're a bitch' guy?"
LMFAO.
a guy i worked w/ at the movie theater came to see a movie on a friday night that was just opening, ohhh, about ten minutes after the most popular showtime (the 7 o'clock range) began. not surprisingly (to me at least) it was sold out. but when i told him this, he proceeded to turn purple, pound his hands on my counter and scream at me, "YOU'VE GOTTA BE FUCKIN SHITTIN ME!!"
"I shit you not, sir," I replied.
He went to get my manager, the better to punish me, I suppose. The manager came over with him in tow to get my side of the story. I told it.
"Did you swear at her first?" the manager asked the customer.
"Well, yeah, but--"
"Next time you want something, sir, dont be swearing at my staff," the manager said coolly, and walked away.
This was the only time a manager ever, to my knowledge, backed up an employee to a customer at this place of business. But damn it was good.
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Alex [/i]
[B]You should find a place where the manager admires you for it and apply there, though you're not really likely to find a place like that.
Also, my friend came up with a great idea for an exclusive restaurant wherein six or seven strangers sit at a table (one of whom is secretly the cook) and talk for twenty minutes and then based on how they act and what they talk about, he decides what they get to eat. Your story just reminded me of that. Maybe you could start it. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's fucking brilliant. You're becoming my own personal Jesus Christ, Alex. You know that?
Never get so attached to a poem you forget truth that lacks lyricism.
Does this mean I have to get crucified?
just like santa claus
Also, all I ever do is steal ideas, I do it well though, I'm more a Brian than a Jesus, though that's more coincidental.
Also, what the hell is the name of the story where the guy preaches the gospel in some small village and then gets crucified, it's like "the old man with wings" or something, this is suddenly driving me insane.
isn't that the story of santa claus?
No the story of Santa Claus is called The Lottery, Shirley Jackson wrote it.
i must've mixed up my ninja pants with my ignorant pants.
it's a common mistake.
ps. are you a space robot or just a regular vomiting robot?
The Life of Brian! *Tear*!!!
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"Consider the lillies...."
...
...
"What about the lillies, O'Brian?"
"What?"
"The lillies."
[runs off]
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wolf nipple chips, get em while they're hot, they're lovely.
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my incident doesnt involve me, it invovles a friend of mine who is not racists but doesnt like the word cracker. Hes sitting in gym on day and this one black kid just starts fucking with him, then the black kid calls him cracker and he says nigger, the black kid gets up and says "ill fuckin kill you cracker" he says go ahead, the black kid says he has a razor in his back-pack, the gym teacher eventually sees this, and breaks it up, the black kid starts to punch the gym teacher, the principal is also trying to break it up and the kid starts to puch the principal, my friend is eventually suspended for a week, and almost has charges pressed against him, adn the black kid got NOTHING not a warning, not a detention,my english teacher said my friend should have pressed chargses on him for threatining to cut him,but since hes black he can "Say it loud and say it proud." What fucking bullshit
bane's post: one of the reasons why i dont mind using the word nigger too much
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]bane's post: one of the reasons why i dont mind using the word nigger too much [/B][/QUOTE]
That's a fucking dumb rationale. That case was an exception, not the rule. From my experience 99% of the time the word is unwarranted and it's black people who should be telling race related horror stories.
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thats not to say i go call every black person nigger. but if a black guy calls me cracker, i wont feel any regret calling him nigger
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]thats not to say i go call every black person nigger. but if a black guy calls me cracker, i wont feel any regret calling him nigger [/B][/QUOTE]
You live in a blaxploitation soul cinema film? Who's calling you cracker? Is this a "Canadian thing"? I mean, I don't know what kind of Canadian ghetto you are livin' in that black folk are calling you cracker right and left, but man... I gotta give you some street cred for taking it G. I know how hard life can be growing up white and Canadian. It's a jungle up there, bullets whizzing by your head and getting beat up everyday. It's right out of a Degrassi Junior High Episode. You and Brian Boitano on the mean streets of the Canadian slums.
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not left right and centre. but yeah ive been called cracker before. and its not Brian Boitano dumb ass........its Pat Minstrioti
I get that Knox. I've never been called cracker in seriousness, but I've been accused of all manner of things that sound like they belong in blaxploitation films.
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lol believe me tho, cracker and honky are used up here to describe white people. no matter how blaxploitated it is
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]not left right and centre. but yeah ive been called cracker before. and its not Brian Boitano dumb ass........its Pat Minstrioti [/B][/QUOTE]
Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are a cracker, and that's why they called you that? And it's still Boitano, no matter what they tell you in da' Canadian hood, comin' straight outta white boy land. You like Eminem minus the cool stuff. And really, is the term "cracker' offensive to you as a white boy? I mean, I know you've been oppressed by the black man for hundreds of years and your momma's momma was a slave for a black aristocrat, but can't you let bygones be bygones, knoxville. Isn't this how you feel about black people? Why should you be any different?
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all im saying is if a black guy calls me cracker in seriousness, than i dont see whats wrong with calling him nigger. i dont go around calling every black person nigger, infact i dont even think i have called a black persona nigger to their face, but if im called a cracker or honkey or any racist term used to describe whites, well than yeah if the guys black im gonna call him a nigger
no, people who call me cracker after seeing me on the street, dont know me and therefore dont know if im a true cracker. infact brock, your using the term as if it has some meaning, its a racist term used at whites, just like nigger is a racist term used at blacks.
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Brock Landers [/i]
[B]Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are a cracker, and that's why they called you that? And it's still Boitano, no matter what they tell you in da' Canadian hood, comin' straight outta white boy land. You like Eminem minus the cool stuff. And really, is the term "cracker' offensive to you as a white boy? I mean, I know you've been oppressed by the black man for hundreds of years and your momma's momma was a slave for a black aristocrat, but can't you let bygones be bygones, knoxville. Isn't this how you feel about black people? Why should you be any different? [/B][/QUOTE] \
i see what your saying about letting bygones be bygones brock. but that has nothing to do with what're really talking about. im saying as long as someones willin to call me cracker, im willin to call them whatever racist slang is for them. that doesnt mean im gonna have a deep profound hate for them for the rest of my life, they called me a cracker i called them ________, end of story. a year from now im not gonna be thinkin about how bad that cracker term mde me feel and how much i hjate the guy who used it, just cause one black guy calls me a cracker doesnt mean im gonna hate all black people
Thanks for explaining what cracker means. I never knew it meant ignorant whiteys. I'm naive like that. But you still didn't answer the question. Does someone calling you cracker make you want to cry? Does someone calling you cracker really upset you. There is a huge difference in using the word "nigger" and using the term cracker. Certainly they are both racist, but even you of all people must realize that cracker doesn't bother most people while "nigger' does, and from that perspective I think you just like to say 'nigger" because you believe it makes you controversial or something. In fact, calling anyone any racist term isn't even necessary unless you want to be racist. I think you will find that most people don't use these terms, even when insulting each other unless they are already biased against the person they call it beforehand. Certainly there are better insults to use on someone then attacking the color of their skin. I mean, if someone called me a honkey, cracker whitebread whatever, it really would not offend me, and has little relevance to anything. It's just ignorant words because they can't think of anything better that might actually bother me...
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brock, the main point of all this is i dont feel bad calling a black guy a nigger if he calls me a cracker. end of story, my feeling of them should stop whining about oppression adn all that doesnt come into the topic here
Knox- assuming what you're saying is "I also do not like to be discounted simply because I appear caucasian, I like to be given the space to prove what kind of ignorant asshole I am/ am not,"then I agree.
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well thats the thing brock. yeah a lot of the time it doesnt get me that mad. its the principal of it. if some black dude coems up to me with all this anger etc etc and calls me whitey,c racker whateve. theyre using the word to try to emotionally hurt me, otherwise they would use a different word. so im gonna stoop down to a low level too and im gonna use a racist term that will emotionally jurt them. theres no back story to it, theres no secret hatred against ________ to it. its all in the moment, when your in a serious verbal argument people are gonna use words to get at you, to make you pissed, theyre gonna use all the stereotypes in the book, anything that will make you angry. and i plan on doing the same thing
Am I the only one who thinks the word "cracker" is really funny?
exactly prototype. just like my post above, if im verbally assaulted whatever based on actual things these people know about me, than im gonna think a bit smarter and try to call them things knowing the information i know about them. but if theyre gonna stoop to using my appearance as the major factor of their words, than im gonna use their appearance to get at them too
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]brock, the main point of all this is i dont feel bad calling a black guy a nigger if he calls me a cracker. end of story, my feeling of them should stop whining about oppression adn all that doesnt come into the topic here [/B][/QUOTE]
Believe what you want, but I'm just curious why you would call someone a "nigger" if they called you a honkey or cracker... I mean, is that the first thing that pops in your head? Do you walk around waiting for someone to call you a crackier so that you can say the word "nigger" and feel justified for doing so? There is no logic behind it I guess. You just look for any opportunity to use offensive language I assume. Oppression does come into play here... because it is a double standard for you to think blacks should get over slavery, but you act all insulted if someone might call you a honkey and you've never been oppressed. You said so yourself. Does it make it right to insult someone because they insulted you first? That's the point. It doesn't make it right... it just means you are as bad as they are. It means you are no better than them for calling you a cracker. By your logic, if someone is a racist to you, that justifies you being a racist back. Silly logic, but do what you want. You will anyway...
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by knoxville [/i]
[B]well thats the thing brock. yeah a lot of the time it doesnt get me that mad. its the principal of it. if some black dude coems up to me with all this anger etc etc and calls me whitey,c racker whateve. theyre using the word to try to emotionally hurt me, otherwise they would use a different word. so im gonna stoop down to a low level too and im gonna use a racist term that will emotionally jurt them. theres no back story to it, theres no secret hatred against ________ to it. its all in the moment, when your in a serious verbal argument people are gonna use words to get at you, to make you pissed, theyre gonna use all the stereotypes in the book, anything that will make you angry. and i plan on doing the same thing [/B][/QUOTE]
You know what? I get it now. I understand why you do it. Fine... if they are an ignorant asshole then you want to out-asshole them. Good for you...
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I'd say that it's a stoop to a lower level to trade a slur for a slur, but I'd say it in a sentence, as an opinion, without moralizing too much.
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point made. im willing to stoop as low as them and thats that. and i dont know where you got the idea that i stand around on corners waiting to be called cracker, but ive been in incidents where i have been. toronto is a very large city, full of many races and colours. i dont know how it is where you are, that you have to wait around all day until you see a black person willing to call you cracker. but here theres lots of black people. theres lots of people in general. theres as many angry pusshy ready to asya anythng and do anything kinda people as there are the kinds just minding there business. thats all to it, thats why its not rare to be called a cracker a lot of times or whatever, theres just a lot of people of different colours and race as to i guess your area where theres not as many colours, thats hwy its rare to use racist terms
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Brock Landers [/i]
[B]You know what? I get it now. I understand why you do it. Fine... if they are an ignorant asshole then you want to out-asshole them. Good for you... [/B][/QUOTE]
exactly. they wanna be intelectual about it, ill be intelectual. if they wanna be dumb about it, than ill be dumb about it. i dont feel bad or any regret to stoooping to the same level as someone else, if theres cause for it
in college there was a group of people who thought i was a white supremist.
at the investment bank i worked at for several years, two twenty something female staffers with ZERO experience on wall street, who also worked for me, didn't like the way i spoke to my secretary. did they come to me? no. did they talk to me secretary? no. they just assumed i was a sexist prick whose knees had to be sawed off. management got involved. at the end of the day i had to apologize to my secretary and the two staffers. needless to say, i kept detailed notes on all my conversations with them afterwards, avoided their company and never assigned them any work. my relationship with my secretary improved tremendously and that was the best part of the whole story. resultantly, they grew bored and were often left outside the loop. one got fired. the other reisgned. i later learned that the reason they were upset with me was because i assigned them more work than they could handle. did they ever say anything to me about being overworked? no. in investment banking it's long hours and lots of work. responsibility comes slowly in many instances, but sometimes it gets thrown your way. these two weren't up for it. guess it was beneath them to do some work. anyway, i outlived the three of them.
Fram. You gotta stop admitting to murders online, buddy.
*gasp* D'oh!
Fram- that's fucking awful. I'd have killed the lot of them too.
When I was managing this restaurant once, I made the mistake of firing a girl in the office. There were cameras so she couldn't sue, but there was a filed complaint by another female server who thought I was sexually harassing the fired girl by shutting the door and, I shit you not, "obviously implying sexual action."
After that I conducted firings and performance reviews with great pomp and circumstance, in a purple robe, with a scythe in the middle of the dining room. It solved the problem.
Never get so attached to a poem you forget truth that lacks lyricism.
That's truly a terrible story, Prototype. I often get accused of racism, but I assure you these accusation are not justified. I don't want to bore you with details, so I'll leave it at that.
You don't know me.
cracka-assed crackas!!!
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I have never been called 'cracker' before, but I have been called 'gaijin' and 'gringa'. There just aren't that many black people where I live, sadly.
There is hope, but not for us.
What a crummy story proto-- I'm one who has been known to say on more than one occassion, "It's people like you, that make people like me racist!" That tends to really get their goat. I will say it again... not because I want to get them mad, or to stoop to their level, but it is true. I never had any racist feelings, and I have black friends, but when they get that attitude that I am treating them differently because of their color, or that I owe them something -- that's what makes me have racist feelings.
But I have solved that. I hate people.
Ok, you can all blast me now.
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If it means anything, for saying that to her her you became my hero for today. At least you walked out of there with a story to tell.